Flyering Cars? Help! ? about getting the word out.
Submitted by Becky Blauvelt on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 16:52
I live in California. I have fliered cars before...usually just snowflakes. Some here and there as I am on my way in and out of stores or offices. Today I had a chunk of time after our sign wave and wanted to flier the cars at the mall. Got about 20 cars done and got approached by a security guard who told me that I was on private property and had to stop...I talked to him for a few minutes, but don't really know my rights on this...can someone help me so that when I go back out to distribute literature I will have a more educated response if I am stopped. Or are there just better places to do this where I will find lots of cars but no resistance.
Thanks in Advance.
Becky
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Darn!
I thought it was a typo and there were flying cars!
"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant
I have done the same thing
and I heard from someone else on the DP that an officer told him he had to stop because the flyers could become litter.
Previously known as DCALIFANO
Previously known as DCALIFANO
Here you go............................
PRUNEYARD SHOPPING CENTER ET AL. v. ROBINS ET AL.
No. 79-289
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
447 U.S. 74; 100 S. Ct. 2035; 1980 U.S. LEXIS
129; 64 L. Ed.2d 741
March 18, 1980, Argued
June 9, 1980, Decided
OPINION: MR. JUSTICE REHNQUIST delivered the opinion of the Court:
Appellant PruneYard is a privately owned shopping center in the city of Campbell, Cal. It covers approximately 21 acres -- 5 devoted to parking and 16 occupied by walkways, plazas, sidewalks, and buildings that contain more than 65 specialty shops, 10 restaurants, and a movie theater. The PruneYard is open to the public for the purpose of encouraging the patronizing of its commercial establishments. It has a policy not to permit any visitor or tenant to engage in any publicly expressive activity, including the circulation of petitions, that is not directly related to its commercial purposes. This policy has been strictly enforced in a nondiscriminatory fashion. The PruneYard is owned by appellant Fred Sahadi.
Appellees are high school students who sought to solicit support for their opposition to a United Nations resolution against "Zionism." On a Saturday afternoon they set up a card table in a corner of PruneYard's central courtyard. THEY DISTRIBUTED PAMPHLETS and asked passersby to sign petitions, which were to be sent to the President and Members of Congress. Their activity was peaceful and orderly and so far as the record indicates was not objected to by PruneYard's patrons.
Soon after appellees had begun soliciting signatures, a security guard informed them that they would have to leave because their activity violated PruneYard regulations. The guard suggested that they move to the public sidewalk at the Prune Yard's perimeter. Appellees immediately left the premises and later filed this lawsuit in the California Superior Court of Santa Clara County. They sought to enjoin appellants from denying them access.
THE CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT [HELD] THAT THE CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION PROTECTS "SPEECH AND PETITIONING, REASONABLY EXERCISED, IN SHOPPING CENTERS EVEN WHEN THE CENTERS ARE PRIVATELY OWNED." 23 Cal. 3d 899,910,592 P. 2d 341,347 (1979). IT CONCLUDED THAT APPELLEES WERE ENTITLED TO CONDUCT THEIR ACTIVITY ON PRUNEYARD PROPERTY.
Here the requirement that appellants permit appellees to exercise state-protected rights of free expression and petition on shopping center property clearly does not amount to an unconstitutional infringement of appellants' property rights under the Taking Clause. There is nothing to suggest that preventing appellants from prohibition this sort of activity will unreasonably impair the value or use of their property as a shopping center. The PruneYard is a large commercial complex that covers several city blocks, contains numerous separate business establishments, and is open to the public at large. THE DECISION OF THE CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE PRUNEYARD MAY RESTRICT EXPRESSIVE ACTIVITY BY ADOPTING TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER REGULATIONS THAT WILL MINIMIZE ANY INTERFERENCE WITH ITS COMMERCIAL FUNCTIONS. APPELLEES WERE ORDERLY, AND THEY LIMITED THEIR ACTIVITY TO THE COMMON AREAS OF THE SHOPPING CENTER. In these circumstances, the fact that they may have "physically invaded" appellants' property cannot be viewed as determinative.
There is also little merit to appellants' argument that they have been denied their property without due process of law. In Nebbia v. New York, 291 U.S. 502 (1934), this Court stated:
"[NEITHER] PROPERTY RIGHTS NOR CONTRACT RIGHTS ARE ABSOLUTE.... EQUALLY FUNDAMENTAL WITH THE PRIVATE RIGHT IS THAT OF THE PUBLIC TO REGULATE IT IN THE COMMON INTEREST....
The shopping center by choice of its owner is not limited to the personal use of appellants. It is instead a business establishment that is open to the public to come and go as they please. The views expressed by members of the public IN PASSING OUT PAMPHLETS or seeking signatures for a petition thus will not likely be identified with those of the owner. Second, no specific message is dictated by the State to be displayed on appellants' property. There consequently is no danger of governmental discrimination for or against a particular message. Finally, as far as appears here appellants can expressly disavow any connection with the message by simply posting signs in the area where the speakers or HANDBILLERS stand. Such signs, for example, could disclaim any sponsorship of the message and could explain that the persons are communicating their own messages by virtue of state law.
We conclude that neither appellants' federally recognized property rights nor their First Amendment rights have been infringed by the California Supreme Court's decision recognizing a right of appellees to exercise state-protected rights of expression and petition on appellants' property. The judgement of the Supreme Court of California is therefore Affirmed.
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Drop this
Today I sent out 30 postage paid Business Replies from Newsweek, Time and US News with only RP 2008 written on them wiping out all profits from the Mags. that have been ignoring Ron Paul, lets make them pay folks when they receive bags of bills in their mail rooms, they are charged by the Postal Service for each postcard delivered to them. Lets bring the Old Media to their knees, we can do it!!!
We drop literature....
....into newspaper boxes as we slowly drive up and down the street.
Alternative Idea
If placing the slim jim on the windshield is not permitted on private property...
can you accompany the slim jim with a banana and stuff in the tail pipe?
/sarcasm
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Becky, Unless the shopping
Becky,
Unless the shopping center lot is municipaly{SP?} owned, it is private property. The large majority of mall lots are privately owned. The only ones that are owned by cities that I know of are actually strip malls. Some malls also have steathily placed cameras that are monitored.
My free standing grocery store is my favorite place to Slim Jim. I just stay away from the front doors. I blow through Slim Jims quickly and then get out of Dodge. I keep watch for the yellow vested employees that collect the carts.
I have also Slim Jim'd one mall and just be stealthy about it. As mentioned above, stay away from the entrances, and keep your eyes open for the private security/rent a cop vehicles that some malls have. If oyu see someone approaching you that seems like they may be " on to you", nonchalantly start walking into the mall.
Other than the grocery stores, you can hit up wholesale clubs like Costco, and strip malls. Movie theatre parking lots... there are tons of places. Just do it and if you encounter any resistance, move on down the road to another parking place.
best practices
There are threads on ronpaulforums.com about this: public/private property, whether and under what circumstances it just pisses people off.
Generally, what I take away from it is that it's best to do it with cars on the street (public property), and placing something on or near door handles (like Liberty Cards) is better than on the windshield.
Far better than any of this, of course, is if you can hand your materials in person.
Liberty Cards are great...
Liberty cards allow you to be more stealthy and I put them on or near the car door. Also go to infiniteronpaul.com they have templates for avery labels(Please be sure to only use the removable labels).
Remember some people say over exposure or fliering can anoy people, but in Marketing you can not have over exposure. When you think of Gasoline you think Exxon, when you think of coffee you think Starbucks. The media will not help us with getting name exposure for Ron Paul so we are doing it with our boots on the ground.
Everything you do to get more exposure for Ron Paul is greatly appreciated.
Remember folks all of the grassroots efforts are worth MILLIONS of $$$ to the RP campaign. So the amount of money RP has raised does not tell the whole story, we have given Millions of dollars of exposure from all of our grassroots efforts!
Deep down everyone is Libertarian.
Live and Let Live, form of government.
Why not be a precinct leader
And leave literature with homeowners? Or do a mailing?
http://suzanrobertson.blogspot.com
Yes, this is the best thing to do
I've also done Walmart and the local college parking lots
GOOD question Becky
The laws are different depending where you are. As representatives of Dr Paul- its always good to follow the letter of the law in everything we do to avoid problems that may cast us in a bad light. All I can suggest personally is that you do a quick search using your city name and ordinances about fliers etc-, if possible print the local statutes that state that you are within your rights - many security personnel will not know- present this to them. You dont want any fines : ) Keep up the good work and if you would post your results and progress- its the feet on the ground stuff that encourage us the most!