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Modern Israel is an artificially created state dominated by Jews who have no connections to biblical Israel.

The American people are confused about the morality of modern-day Israel, because our schools and churches leave out essential Jewish history.

The European people who were shipped in to occupy Palestine as a Jewish homeland in 1948 are not related to the biblical Hebrews of Jesus’ time.

The biblical Hebrews are symbolized by the Cain and Abel story, brothers who fell out with each other and whose lineage became the two factions we know as Jews and Arabs. But Jews and Arabs are both biologically Semitic people – they are cousins — and despite their “family feud, they are anciently related by blood and culture.
Later on, Jews and Arabs became even more seemingly disparate due to the introduction of Islam. One tribe kept their Judaism, while the other became Muslim, and there is what we’ve perceived as the warring factions of today.

But what has been purposely obscured is a third element that entered and has inflamed the Middle East ever since. It was European Jewish people who were brought in after WWII for the purpose of occupying much of Palestine and resurrecting the ancient name of Israel. This was a political agenda, not a humanitarian intention.

These Europeans had long ago emerged from Khazaria (southern Russia), where their king – for the purpose of greater, unified control – converted them to the Babylonian schools of Judaism in the 8th century. Thus, not only their DNA, but their perspectives are a different reality from the Judean teachings in Jesus’ world.

http://www.zengardner.com/truth-israel-americans-need-know-2/

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Take it someplace else.

Please.

I don't care.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

The State of Israel now exists. Get over it already, and

focus on how to make things right in the Middle East. (And no, giving the nation back to the Palestinians or wiping Israel off the face of the map is not an option.)

Except for the mixing up of the Cain and Abel with Ishmael and Issac bit, the OP is essentially correct. SO WHAT?

IMO the problem lies in the fact that Israel is an apartheid state and the Palestinians not only got a raw deal, they are being systematically vilified to the point of nonexistence. I sincerely doubt anyone with a conscience, Jew, Christian, Muslim or whatever, would want this to continue, once they know the truth about what is really going on there.

Two state solution or get rid of the apartheid aspect of the Israeli government and give Palestinians (and everybody else) the EXACT same rights as are given a Jewish (whether or not DNA is involved) Israeli citizen? THAT is the question we should be discussing.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

There are many non-Jewish Palestinian citizens.

There are even non-Jewish Palestinean elected Knesset members.

So, it's not completely as simple a picture as the anti-Semite Israel haters want to paint.

These facts don't square well with the neonazi line about Israel, so I expect to get approx -4 to -12 on this reply. There are a net of -12 hardcore neonazi voters on the DP.

Never said it was simple.

As far as "the anti-Semite Israel haters", can we please get over that, too? It just might have been the OP's intention to bring to light the fact that the term "anti-Semite" is a lie, especially when it is (ab)used to reply to any statement of truth to shut a person up. God forbid the truth be known!

Yes, there are non-Jewish Palestinians in the Knesset. Are there enough of them to get rid of the apartheid laws? No. I just wonder how long they will remain there after more and more Palestinians living in Israel are forced out of their homes and lose everything they own. Even Israeli's don't own the land their homes sit on. The State owns the land in Israel. Ever wonder why?

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Another unenlightened post intende to cause prejudicial division

Where do I start? There are vast distinctions to be made between the various segments of the Jewish government, the citizens who live under it's control, the the religion, and the descendants of the blood line. To include and exclude various components of the word "jew" to suit your personal agenda is both corrupt and deceitful. How is the migration of people to that land any different from the Europeans that settled in North America, or Australia.

People are precious. Governments are different than their inhabitants. Fractional religions don't define whole populations. I am not my government. Nor am I the majority religion of this country.

Or how about defining people by bloodlines, or race, or religion, or political bent, or occupation? Is one group more precious than another? Should I start judging differently within my own family tree against the descendants of my great, great grandfather and his brothers children?

Thoughts, lead to emotions, emotions lead to actions and actions lead to results. Until we change our minds and start valuing individual people more than governments or religions we will not see anything but the fruits of our prejudicial thoughts.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Your title is stupid. I hate these lying misleading articles.

If they ARE Jews then they ARE related to biblical Israel. So your title is just dumb.

Then you say: "The biblical Hebrews are symbolized by the Cain and Abel story, brothers who fell out with each other and whose lineage became the two factions we know as Jews and Arabs."

This is another lying bunch of crap. The Hebrews and Arabs are not divided along the lines of Cane and Able. The Hebrews and Arabs are descendants of Ishmael and Issac who are decedents of Shem (Cain and Abel's brother). All the descendants of Cain died in the flood and Able had no kids of record.

The fact that this crap is voted up shows how ignorance is just as prevalent on the DP as anywhere else. The author of this dribble is an idiot and those who buy into it are worse. Just haters trying to stir the pot.

Yeah --

I was a bit confused by the Cain and Abel reference as well. Perhaps the OP:

- doesn't believe the Flood really wiped out all but Noah's family

or

- was meaning the sons of Noah rather than Cain and Abel: Ham and Japheth vs Shem

But both Hebrews and Arabs (Semites) come from Shem through Abraham, as you said: Hebrews from Isaac, Arabs from Ishmael. Then the Jews themselves are mainly descendants of only two of the twelve tribes of Israel: Judah and Benjamin --> Judeans --> Jews.

Maybe the OP just doesn't agree with the Biblical record at some point or other?

I'm sure descendants of Judea have mixed genetically with all kinds of other people groups since the days of the Kingdoms, just like I'm sure the ten tribes of Israel were as they dissipated north, to Europe, etc.

More idiots downvoting the truth.

It's no wonder they don't comment because there is no way to defend this dribble.

I laughed out loud

First sentence of third paragraph says this:
The biblical Hebrews are symbolized by the Cain and Abel story, brothers who fell out with each other and whose lineage became the two factions we know as Jews and Arabs.

Cain killed Abel. Abel was murdered by his brother he did not from the lineage of anyone. I think the author meant to say Isaac and Ishmael, the sons of Abraham. It's just funny that an article meant to correct people's ignorance starts off so wrong.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

Hey Go….I don’t really want to call you out but base1ass

is such a little bitch…he keeps bringing up my name behind my back, because he’s trying to build support because his world in crumbling….he’s a crowd.

But the story of the division was not with Cain and Abel, it was with Isaac & Ishmael. All Jews, Muslin and Christian worship the same God….and your right it’s like a dinner table squabble.

The biblical Hebrews are symbolized by the Cain and Abel story, brothers who fell out with each other and whose lineage became the two factions we know as Jews and Arabs. But Jews and Arabs are both biologically Semitic people – they are cousins — and despite their “family feud, they are anciently related by blood and culture.
Later on, Jews and Arabs became even more seemingly disparate due to the introduction of Islam. One tribe kept their Judaism, while the other became Muslim, and there is what we’ve perceived as the warring factions of today.

No one can underestimate the importance of Abraham to the three great monotheistic faiths of the world, but unlike Jews and Christians, Muslims claim their identity with Abraham through Hagar and Ishmael rather than through Sarah and Isaac. Muhammad sought to give legitimacy to Islam by identifying with Abraham and his other son, Ishmael. And this is the root of the alienation that exists between Christians and Muslims, both of whom claim to be the heirs of Abraham.

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/isaac_ishmael.html

Sorry Go…..but this is just the truth….but I did go to your link (got attacked by a Virus…..so don’t go unless you are protected.)

But my beef isn’t with you GO…..so please don’t take it personally….I just remember it different from all those Sunday school class my mother drug me to. ( and as a side not …thanks for bringing up on another post bass1ass….she recently pass away and I have to go there every day to work on cleaning out her house….of course there was no way for you to know so you get a pass….please just leave that alone)

My problem is with the fact that NO ONE knew the truth…..especially Base1ass…the knower of ALL TRUTH. Here is my position on Israel…..for all to know and so there is no mistake in the future….I COULD CARE LESS…..did you hear me Base1.

The truth is all I’m after. The website linked is straight up conspiracy kook crap. There only reason the conspiracy crowd want to put this shit out there is because it is the only way they can connect the Jews to the Rothschilds….you break that link your conspiracy theory goes up in flames….and then the kooks religion has no “evil” to plot against…..which is exactly what the Greenbacker want you to believe in…because their movement is ordained by God.

Here is a link to the other side of the story….I don’t know this guy..he could be a shrill for the government of Israel…..but at least look at both side then make a choice, if you haven’t already…..I don’t care, but I studied a lot of the conspiracies….and theres a lot of empty rabbit hole out there.

http://www.ourjerusalem.com/history/story/is-the-talmud-anti...

here is a post base1 wrote on 8/31/2103

Israel isn’t Israel: They aren't independent, they are part of the Globalist banking scheme for the NOW.
Granger has no clue

He did the same thing to Granger…harassing her as he has me…telling me my days are numbered and shit like that…..

You may not be the sole reason she left, but your contributed to it…..and I am calling you out for it

In the nature of full disclosure I had it out once with her but tried to make amends before we finished the topic…..base you’re a little punk bully but with all your infinite knowledge you and not really one person on the thread knew or caught Go’s mistake….and DP’ers on here are supposed to trust that you know what the fuck you are talking about when it comes to Israel…..when you don’t even know a bible story from 6th grade. Vet your sources dumbass…..the people you are getting this Israel crap from has an agenda…..and it isn’t the truth.

Atrificaly created is so benovelent

How about stolen property stolen by the Rothschild crime family the record for being the bigest human theives in history. Through counterfeiting worthless fiat digitized money through central bank corps with puppet gov controls these despots exploited the extreamist factions of a supremist religion to create a world genocide.

Just a bunch of real sick people atracted to a real sick cause controled by a real sick famly.

sovereign

In a way this is similar to...

the country of Macedonia in the former Yugoslavia.

I don't know if the wording "artificially created" is the best choice of words, but as you can see, I understand what you mean.

The empirical facts

are the only thing that means anything, and there are those who would rather believe in what they have been tricked into believing, rather than what is True! How is it 'hate' when the empirical facts are just proving what we have been taught is a complete lie? If empirical facts found my lineage was from the 'barbarians', I wouldn't consider it to be hateful for people to point it out, I would just have to except it, and know I'm not a 'barbarian', then so what! It's really amazing that most of those who are calling this hateful or racism, attack the neocon Trotskyites, when it was a tool created by Trotsky, called racism, that was used to forment totalitarianism on the majority Christian Slavs in Russia. Now, the latest results with the most sophisticated equipment by a reknown Jewish geneticist, Dr. Eran Elhaik, of Johns Hopkins University Medical center, shows the majority of Jews are not decendents of the Israelites/Hewbrews, but are of the Khazar lineage. If people can't handle the empirical facts, they need to do a self evaluation, not attack those presenting the facts! http://truthtellers.org/alerts/Are-Jews-Really-Khazars.html

I in no way support any

I in no way support any government from around the world however let me burst the OP's bubble:

Modern day America is dominated by white people who have no connection to the Native Americans that once lived all over these lands...

What about the millions of native Americans that were killed here a few hundred years ago?? Does that make us bad people for living here?

You get the point, right?

Yes, except...

In the civilized world, colonialism stopped being an acceptable practice in the 19 century. Israel is still doing it.

Oh so it was "acceptable" to

Oh so it was "acceptable" to murder millions of natives and steal their land a few hundred years ago?

So if Israel was formed in 1776 you'd have no problem with it?

Do you realize how hypocritical you sound?

Our founding isn't any less violent or civilized than Israel's founding... As a matter of fact there's a lot more blood that was shed on our land than there is in Israel... But still, I don't think that today's Americans are bad people for what was committed hundreds of years ago.

I can absolutely understand

I can absolutely understand the writer's sympathy for the Palestinians, but the common threads between Israel's creation and our own "manifest destiny" can't be ignored, so i get where you're coming from as well. This piece seems to suggest Israelis be expelled from Israel, which is completely unfair and inhumane at this point. The real problem is Israel's continued expansion, in my opinion. It seems the only plausible answer to this now is the "two-state solution", but this seems unlikely with the governmental forces involved. If it was up to the Palestinian and Israeli PEOPLE, I think there would be substantive framework, at the very least, for some kind of lasting peace. Double-check this, but I remember reading that a majority of Israeli citizens are in favor of Palestinian statehood. This article also seems to try to sway people into thinking Jewish people are inherently bad, which is deplorable. I think the Israeli government is incredibly cruel and murderous, but so is the US government...The distinction should be made as there is HUGE disconnect between government action and public opinion - as is the case w/ almost all governments.

So, you Israel Firsters

have started to recognize humanity. Welcome.

"This article also seems to try to sway people into thinking Jewish people are inherently bad, which is deplorable."

Cherry picking, is what I did here.

I think at some point, YOU are going to appreciate other persons as you would like them to appreciate YOU.

What a fucking concept. It's catching on, the citizens in other countries know about currency failure.

What are you doing to help your neighbors 6-12 months from now?

I'm educating mine, and pissing them off just like I do Goldspan with the Truth.

Base

I hope you aren't counting me

I hope you aren't counting me as an "Israel Firster", and if you are, I challenge you to go through my comments regarding Israel and find anything to corroborate that. If you'd rather not - that was the nicest comment about Israel I've made here, and I still called their government "murderous" and "cruel". Comparing them to us wasn't meant as a compliment either. To answer your completely unrelated question - I don't think the dollar is going to collapse in 6 to 12 months so I'm not telling anyone that.

Where are the pro-Israel members? Goldspam? SallySpamsation?

Granger? Where art thou? Oh, that's right. Granger is finally gone. GREAT RIDDANCE. Goldspam and SallySpamsation, your time is coming. The sooner Israel's pro-war warmongering child murdering and terrorism supporting / causing leaders are wiped off the face of the planet, the better for us all. :)

Forgot to add: Today's DP Two Minute Hate

I haven't seen the two minute hate posts in about two weeks. I guess you're back at it now.

Of course their DNA says otherwise.

These crazy Aryan theories of Jews came out in the early 1900s and late 1800s and have been regurgitated over and over in slightly different and varying forms.

It has all been debunked since the advent of Y-chromosomal DNA science which has irrefutably disproven the neonazi anti-semitic stupid theories about who is a "real" Jew.

The DNA shows that both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are indeed "real" vs patrilinial bone DNA taken out of Jewish cemetaries in Palestine from 1000 years ago, 2000 years ago and 3000 years ago. Sephardim 98% and Ashkenaz 95+%

So, it's not "the Jews", but is it YOU who are "confusing" people with your nonsense, neonazi retread anti-science Aryan theories of who "real Jews" are.

I always found it ironic that anti-semites proclaimed themselves experts on Judiaism and were the only people who knew the TRUTH about who is a "real" Jew. LOL

additional persepctive

Background on me and my perspective: I grew up in an affluent area and attended a well-respected school. There were many Jews (probably upwards of 10%) in the community and I consider many Jews dear friends to this day. There are several Jews (all Ashkenazi) who've married into my family and I love them as much as you can love an in-law... I respect their views and culture. I'll defend these people as fiercely as blood relatives. I'm not an anti-Semite.

That said, the Khazarians were a real people who were of Asiatic-Turkish stock. They mass-converted to Judaism circa 800AD. This is the Ashkenazi line. They have as much claim to Israel as do the Irish or the Chinese. You can't use a religious book to justify invasion, occupation, apartheid and genocide.

Side note: You can't match matrilineal to patrilineal for this particular study because one of the defining features of Judaism is the matrilineal line being the important one. So you need an unbroken female line.

Genealogy isn't nonsense, it's a path to truth... and the written history of this particular ethnic group has been stolen and/or destroyed. It's worth really investigating the history of the Ashkenazi. You'll find that people from this ethnic group (which makes up less than 1% of earth's population) hold nearly half of all offices atop the global corporate/finance/political pyramid world-wide. How did such a small group gain such power and influence?

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

The assertion was....

...that Israeli's weren't "real Jews" because they were mostly Khazari.

The patrilineal DNA haplogroups data of Israelis demonstrates that they are in fact related to the original 12 tribes REGARDLESS OF origin: Khazari, Sephardi or Ashkenaz.

So, the statements regarding origin and DNA are not mutually exclusive.

What the neonazis try to do is do a bait and switch, i.e. dissasociate the geog origin from the DNA data in their justification to demonize Israel by saying they are not "real Jews".

First of all how anti-semites can claim to be the only ones who know who "real Jews" are is beyond me to begin with, but that's besides the point.

Anyway, I don't disagree with the FACTUAL information you have in your reply and you are correct that the MATRIlinial DNA differs more widely, but the PATRIlinial does NOT differ from the original twelve tribes, most remarkably, REGARDLESS of destination of migration out of or origin of migration to Israel, for the last 3000 years.

That's very remarkable, i.e. how Jews have keep together in communities with virtually no DNA adulteration (less than 5%) from father to son in 3000 years.

That doesn't square with the neonazi nonsense theories of who "real Jews" are, hence, the downvotes I get.

Unfortunately for neonazis, fortunately for reason, there are no amount of downvotes that can change hard scientific data.

Patrilineal DNA doesn't count for Jews

The only way to be a True Jew is to be born from a Jewish woman. Your dad can be a goy, but Mom has to be pure. The Patrilineal DNA means nothing. If a conquering Israeli warrior raped a woman of another tribe, assuming a child is conceived, that child would carry the patrilineal DNA but have absolutely no claim to being Jewish.

At their inceptions, the #Liberty, #OccupyWallStreet and #TeaParty movements all had the same basic goal... What happened?

How dare you speak the truth

on this Jew bashing thread. Now just accept their hate filled lies and join in. Later they will be hosting shower parties followed by oven games. Bring all your Jew friends and leave your valuables at the door because you will not need them any more.

These morons make me sick.

Sorry, but the

illusionary creations by the Zionist controlled media are shattered by the empirical facts. Reknown geneticist, Dr. Eran Elhaik, of Johns Hopkins Univ. Medical center, who is Jewish, found the previous creations to be in fact false. This was first brought to awareness by a staunch Zionist, Arthur Koestler, in the 70's, when he did in depth research into the subject to prove the Hebraic lineage of the Jews who occupied Palestine, and learned the whole thing was a fraud, in his book, The Thirtenth Tribe'. http://truthtellers.org/alerts/Are-Jews-Really-Khazars.html

If you had done 'any' real research into the subject of Zionism, which was championed by Theodore Herzl, you would know the original Zionism theory, had nothing to do with religion. It wasn't until the Rothchild agent, attorney Samuel Utermeyer, was tasked to find a way to get Christian America behind making Palestine as the Jewish homeland, when the religous hoax was created. Here's a transcript of a speech by a former Zionist insider, Benjamin Freedman, who sat in cabinet meeting in the Wilson and FDR war admintrations, who tells about how the wars were used to create this hoax. http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Blah blah blah

The assertion was made by anti-Semites that Israelis are not "real" Jews.

Hard DNA scientific data has disproven that now over 100 year old non-sense anti-semetic rhetoric. The hard data shows that they are as Jewish as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were.

There's just no way around it. Sorry.

I also find it eminently ironic how anti-semites are the only ones who know who is a "real" Jew and who is not.

I love how the rabid Jew haters

Will vote down irrefutable scientific data that they disagree with.

How typical.

actually, don't even need to do all that: if you really want to

simply rebut them? show them actual science, from a young, respected ISRAELI geneticist, Dr. Eran Elhaik's latest findings:

http://www.dailypaul.com/300647#comment-3212040

[** Pardon. post-Edit: just noticed that you are already familiar with who Dr. Eran Elhaik is]

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The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses

Dr. Eran Elhaik
Department of Mental Health,
Johns Hopkins University
Bloomberg School of Public Health,
Baltimore, MD, USA, 21208.

McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
Baltimore, MD, USA, 21208

On Page 23 of 37 of http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/12/14/gbe.e...

Conclusions

We compared two genetic models for European Jewish ancestry depicting a mixed Khazarian-European-Middle Eastern and sole Middle Eastern origins. Contemporary populations were used as surrogate to the ancient Khazars and Judeans, and their relatedness to European Jews was compared over a comprehensive set of genetic analyses. Our findings support the Khazarian Hypothesis depicting a large Caucasus ancestry along with Southern European, Middle Eastern, and Eastern European ancestries, in agreement with recent studies and oral and written traditions. We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaized Khazars, Greco-Romans Jews, Mesopotamian Jews, and Judeans and that their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan.

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Yes: Oxford Journals, and Bloomberg's own little lab at Johns Hopkins, YET, the 'inconvenient' truth, is still the REAL truth .D

But, core point I tried to make in my previous thread was that, we're ALL the same human brothers and sisters; and more specifically, apropos of this discussion, if you get down to it, ALL Jews are genetic relatives of Palestinians: they're BOTH "semites."

It's literally brothers and sisters simply killing each other, all over Ruling Class propagandists' same old-same old program of 'divide and conquer' via tribal misunderstandings and a few cultural traits exploited as an ocean-wide 'differences,' when frankly, they literally share the same blood; from my previous thread:

Syria's "Chemical Weapons" vs 'Ours' and the Reality of Genotype-specific BioWeapons proposed by PNAC, Israel & South Africa

Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 17:06

Personally, I've always found the term "Anti-Semite" itself to be hilariously ironic, especially when invoked by those who'd politically, physically oppress and discriminate against their own genetically Semitic brethren: the Palestinians.

The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

By Tomas Rees on Tuesday, January 20, 2009

The Times recently carried this unusual report on an Israeli Jew (Tsvi Misinai, a retired computer expert) who's hoping to prove that Palestinians are descended from Jews. Apparently, he thinks that proving this will help to stop the bloodshed. His idea is that modern Jews are descended from emigration in the first few centuries of the Christian era. The Jews who stayed put in Palestine converted to Islam, and became Palestinian Arabs. There's hope that genetic tests might be able to prove this.

Well, there is good news and bad news on that score.

The good news is that the genetics of Arabs and Jews have been pretty extensively researched. The classic study dates to 2000, from a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked at Y-chromosome haplotypes - this is the genetic material passed from father to son down the generations.

and, from one of the most respected science journals: NATURE

Jews worldwide share genetic ties
But analysis also reveals close links to Palestinians and Italians.

Alla Katsnelson

Published online 3 June 2010 | Nature | doi:10.1038/news.2010.277

Different communities of Jews around the world share more than just religious or cultural practices — they also have strong genetic commonalities, according to the largest genetic analysis of Jewish people to date.

But the study also found strong genetic ties to non-Jewish groups, with the closest genetic neighbours on the European side being Italians, and on the Middle Eastern side the Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians.

Researchers in New York and Tel Aviv conducted a genome-wide analysis on 237 individuals from seven well-established Jewish communities around the world, hailing from Iran, Iraq, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Syria and eastern Europe. The team then compared these genetic profiles to those of non-Jews in the same geographic regions based on data from the Human Genome Diversity Project, a database of genomic information for individuals from populations worldwide. Each group of Jews is genetically distinct, but similarities between the groups weave them together with what the researchers describe as "genetic thread".

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

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