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Modern Israel is an artificially created state dominated by Jews who have no connections to biblical Israel.

The American people are confused about the morality of modern-day Israel, because our schools and churches leave out essential Jewish history.

The European people who were shipped in to occupy Palestine as a Jewish homeland in 1948 are not related to the biblical Hebrews of Jesus’ time.

The biblical Hebrews are symbolized by the Cain and Abel story, brothers who fell out with each other and whose lineage became the two factions we know as Jews and Arabs. But Jews and Arabs are both biologically Semitic people – they are cousins — and despite their “family feud, they are anciently related by blood and culture.
Later on, Jews and Arabs became even more seemingly disparate due to the introduction of Islam. One tribe kept their Judaism, while the other became Muslim, and there is what we’ve perceived as the warring factions of today.

But what has been purposely obscured is a third element that entered and has inflamed the Middle East ever since. It was European Jewish people who were brought in after WWII for the purpose of occupying much of Palestine and resurrecting the ancient name of Israel. This was a political agenda, not a humanitarian intention.

These Europeans had long ago emerged from Khazaria (southern Russia), where their king – for the purpose of greater, unified control – converted them to the Babylonian schools of Judaism in the 8th century. Thus, not only their DNA, but their perspectives are a different reality from the Judean teachings in Jesus’ world.

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Of course

All states are artificialy created legal fictions.

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

recent peer-reviewed Research by an ISRAELI geneticist proves

that to be very much the case, at least to the extent, in regards to a segment of the demographic that currently occupy that particular geographical locale by the ever gorgeous Mediterranean. That said, in the end, we're all the same human brothers and sisters, as scientifically proven to be so:

Syria's "Chemical Weapons" vs 'Ours' and the Reality of Genotype-specific BioWeapons proposed by PNAC, Israel & South Africa

Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 17:06

Depleted Uranium, Napalm, White Phosphorous in All Their Glory

http://youtu.be/WuMCO-wjqDM

Personally, I've always found the term "Anti-Semite" itself to be hilariously ironic, especially when invoked by those who'd politically, physically oppress and discriminate against their own genetically Semitic brethren: the Palestinians.

The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians

What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

By Tomas Rees on Tuesday, January 20, 2009

The Times recently carried this unusual report on an Israeli Jew (Tsvi Misinai, a retired computer expert) who's hoping to prove that Palestinians are descended from Jews. Apparently, he thinks that proving this will help to stop the bloodshed. His idea is that modern Jews are descended from emigration in the first few centuries of the Christian era. The Jews who stayed put in Palestine converted to Islam, and became Palestinian Arabs. There's hope that genetic tests might be able to prove this.

Well, there is good news and bad news on that score.

The good news is that the genetics of Arabs and Jews have been pretty extensively researched. The classic study dates to 2000, from a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked at Y-chromosome haplotypes - this is the genetic material passed from father to son down the generations.

and, from one of the most respected science journals: NATURE

Jews worldwide share genetic ties
But analysis also reveals close links to Palestinians and Italians.

Alla Katsnelson

Published online 3 June 2010 | Nature | doi:10.1038/news.2010.277

Different communities of Jews around the world share more than just religious or cultural practices — they also have strong genetic commonalities, according to the largest genetic analysis of Jewish people to date.

But the study also found strong genetic ties to non-Jewish groups, with the closest genetic neighbours on the European side being Italians, and on the Middle Eastern side the Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians.

Researchers in New York and Tel Aviv conducted a genome-wide analysis on 237 individuals from seven well-established Jewish communities around the world, hailing from Iran, Iraq, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Syria and eastern Europe. The team then compared these genetic profiles to those of non-Jews in the same geographic regions based on data from the Human Genome Diversity Project, a database of genomic information for individuals from populations worldwide. Each group of Jews is genetically distinct, but similarities between the groups weave them together with what the researchers describe as "genetic thread".

Then, more recently, from the Jewish Paper "FORWARD," May 07, 2013, issue of May 10, 2013:

'Jews a Race' Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert
Israeli Scientist Challenges Hypothesis of Middle East Origins

Science Feud: Johns Hopkins geneticist Eran Elhaik says his research debunks the long-held theory that Jews are a single race. Photo: Rita Rubin

”It’s so obvious for me,” Sand told the journal. “Some people, historians and even scientists, turn a blind eye to the truth. Once, to say Jews were a race was anti-Semitic, now to say they’re not a race is anti-Semitic. It’s crazy how history plays with us.”

Dr. Eran Elhaik's paper in question: The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses (as published in December 14, 2013, in the online journal Genome Biology and Evolution)

By Rita Rubin
Published May 07, 2013, issue of May 10, 2013.

Scientists usually don’t call each other “liars” and “frauds.”

But that’s how Johns Hopkins University post-doctoral researcher Eran Elhaik describes a group of widely respected geneticists, including Harry Ostrer, professor of pathology and genetics at Yeshiva University’s Albert Einstein College of Medicine and author of the 2012 book “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People.”

For years now, the findings of Ostrer and several other scientists have stood virtually unchallenged on the genetics of Jews and the story they tell of the common Middle East origins shared by many Jewish populations worldwide. Jews — and Ashkenazim in particular — are indeed one people, Ostrer’s research finds.

It’s a theory that more or less affirms the understanding that many Jews themselves hold of who they are in the world: a people who, though scattered, share an ethnic-racial bond rooted in their common ancestral descent from the indigenous Jews of ancient Judea or Palestine, as the Romans called it after they conquered the Jewish homeland.

But now, Elhaik, an Israeli molecular geneticist, has published research that he says debunks this claim. And that has set off a predictable clash.

And, of course, the usual, the Predictable Party No.1; the now de rigueur ensuing AIPAC/Likudnik/NeoCon attacks, and counter-attacks:

Israeli Researcher Challenges Jewish DNA links to Israel, Calls Those Who Disagree 'Nazi Sympathizers'

Jon Entine, Contributor
Op/Ed | 5/16/2013 @ 4:26PM |11,135 views

The Genetic Literacy Project reports that the ongoing conflict between Israel and its neighbors over the origins of the “Jewish people” has surfaced again as an issue of great controversy—with science in the crosshairs.

It’s particularly troublesome when a scientist—in this case, an Israeli molecular geneticist whose motivations appear more personal and ideological than scientific—stokes the contretemps. The current brouhaha arises over a recent study by Eran Elhaik and is accompanied by his personal attacks on more mainstream scientists who have eviscerated his work. In the face of overwhelming evidence from dozens of studies over twenty years from geneticists and historians around the world, Elhaik is aggressively stumping on behalf of his belief that most Jews trace their seminal ancestry not to the Middle East but to the Caucuses and Eastern Europe.

Elhaik, who is now a post-doctoral researcher at Johns Hopkins, is recirculating the debunked “Khazarian hypothesis” promoted by journalist Arthur Koestler in his 1976 book, The Thirteenth Tribe, written before scientists had the tools to compare genomes and challenge his conclusion.

And, the Predictable Party No.2, the official Iranian-state Media: Press TV; of course whether valid or not, a predictably more sensationalist headline:

Zionists design myth of Jewish genome to usurp Palestine
On Decemever 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of Jewish genome research upside down. But he went even further. The young Israeli-Ameican geneticist has charged former researchers with academic fraud, and he has the research to back it up.

Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:37PM
By Jim W. Dean

How could those those eminent Jewish scientist before him have been so wrong? Easy says Dr. Elhaik, “First these researchers decided what conclusions they wanted to find, and then they set off to find evidence to support it.” I was not bashing Jewish scientists. What Elhaik has described is a slam dunk fraud.

But why? Why would Jews who take such pride in the academic achievement risk exposing themselves to a group deception which was bound to be discovered later? Dr. Elhaik does not delve into the quicksand of the politics, but I will gladly do so.

They perpetrated the fraud solely to support the bogus biblical claim to Palestine which was anchored in their being a separate people. This distinguished them from all others because they claimed a land title in their blood. They bet the farm on this DNA proof of purchase, a God given bar coded passport to the Palestine. Dr. Ehaik just erased the bar code. It was just stamped on anyway, because it was never in the blood.

Now, the question and now historically and scientifically factual, emerging theory of Khazari genetic lineage & origin of modern Jews aside (if the Google AFP News link doesn't work, simply StartPage.com an AFP article dated Jan 16, 2013 "Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews"), how did they find out that Palestinians are in fact 'Semites,' as well, long before Dr. Ehaik's findings?

Well, long before Dipshiit Cheney & co promoted the use of gene-specific bioweapons, as cited on page 60 of their public PNAC paper, Rebuilding America's Defenses:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses...

Information systems will become an important focus of attack, particularly for U.S. enemies seeking to short-circuit sophisticated American forces. And advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.

the apartheid govt of South Africa was deluded in their desperation, actually sought to genetically eliminate the entire black population, regardless of the fact that all humans are about 99% similar, biologically, so the markers would have to be those ONLY existent in their target 'races,' which as you may have guessed, a bit daunting.

And whom did they hire to pursue this post-Hitlerian eugenicist task? Irony of ironies, and apparently heirs to Wannsee acolytes: Israeli, Jewish geneticists.

Only if Mengele could see the fruit of his labors...

Seriously, HOW FCUKED UP IS IT, that those who cannot finish a sentence without reminding the world about "the six million," would turn around, sit, take time to convene a meeting to discuss a "Final Solution" of their own, vs. their own perceived enemies of a specific genetic lineage??

But, what did they find, when those same assholes were hired by the Israeli govt to do the same (Yes, The Sunday Times of London, UK, NOT the Nat. Inquirer, mind you; of course now they want to erase it's ever been reported by putting up a pay-wall)? Palestinians and Jews are genetically, almost identical: to murder them with bio-weapons, would mean dooming themselves.

Cosmic Karma, I'd say.

Oh, and of course, those dutiful AIPAC-whores in denial, would pen a denial.

But then, what about the London Times? UCLA studies? Established WaPo's actual investigative journalists (.MIL link, "Find" "Washington Post in April 2003": it's referring to Joby Warrick and John Mintz's article “Lethal Legacy: Bioweapons for Sale,” dated April 20, 2003"), South Africa's own Reconciliation Commission's records? Known thinktanks?

But...but...but...it's all an internet "conspiracy!" because if you scream and claim and pretend something's BS long enough, it become real! Yay!

LOL: WTF is reality, when the first thing they tell themselves whenever someone criticizes them and their eugenicist worldviews, is deny, deny, deny?

Hilariously, from The Atlantic, a rag with practically the same range of views as Salon ('liberal' with the occasional token Likudniks) along with same base of audience, comes an article that basically confirms the feasibility of the tech/its usage and the threat of its use is very real, so real that POTUS and those 'protecting' him are concerned about it.

LOL. Ah... it wouldn't be L vs. R bowel-'movement liberals' if they didn't contradict themselves, like every other minute, with cognitive dissonance.

But what else is new?

Humans, such ridiculously funny, weird creatures. But, suppose one day, they may outgrow their delusional worldviews...

P.S. 1: But for those of you who may have just recently taken the 'Red Pill' and think all this is crazy talk? I assure you, govt terrorist crazies and their sycophantic turd sociopathic nerds at DARPA are far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far more crazier, than you could even possibly imagine or fathom.

To wit, I schit you not, behold, the "Gay Bomb:"

BBC, Saturday, Jan. 15, 2005, 06:38 GMT:
US military pondered love not war
The US military investigated building a "gay bomb", which would make enemy soldiers "sexually irresistible" to each other, government papers say.

ABC 'News,' June 21, 2007:
Fringe Science Yields 'Gay Bombs' and Psychic Teleportation

WIRED Magazine Dec. 10, 2007, 3:51 PM:
The Gay Bomb Lives!

LiveScience.com via FauxNews, Dec. 11, 2007:
Scientists Make Fruit Flies Gay, Then Straight Again

Yes, "gay bomb"... 'your' tax dollars at work.

P.S. 2: Here's an insight into how the Vaccines, as they are today, are used as a soft-kill weapon, basically came to be; from the horse's own mouthpiece: the 'other' (un)official magazine of the CFR, "Foreign Policy"; note this is an article on bioweapons, NOT vaccines, and yet...

Biological Weapons

AUGUST 8, 2006

After 9/11, U.S. spending on defenses against biological attacks got a shot in the arm. Between 2001 and 2006, the budget for biodefense medical research and development at the National Institutes of Health increased from $50 million to $1.8 billion. Five years later, it turns out there might be some unlikely beneficiaries of this bounty: poor people in the developing world.

The extra money being poured into bioterror preparedness could result in a revolution in global public health -- to the benefit of the world's most vulnerable citizens. New vaccines, medicines, and techniques designed to deal with diseases unleashed by terrorists may also combat naturally occurring outbreaks. Tara O'Toole, director of the Center for Biosecurity at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center and a former assistant secretary of energy, argues that "if we do what is necessary for biodefense... we could conceivably in a generation eliminate large-scale, lethal epidemics of infectious disease everywhere.

But here's the real reason:

Vaccines are notoriously unprofitable, so pharmaceutical companies have often shown little interest in developing them. But fears of a biological attack have led the U.S. government to fund new vaccine breakthroughs for ebola, the Marburg virus, and Lassa fever. This money will also speed the development of dengue fever and vibrio cholera vaccines. Scientists are also excited about the possibilities stemming from the military's bigger budgets.

So, for those who would deny to their grave the reality that part of the reason for the inclusion of the deadly toxin thiomersal aka mercury, as a 'preservative' and other adjuvants in the vaccines is in fact an intentional eugenicist soft-kill program, they should at least be honest enough to admit to themselves that it's about 'money' and selling shiit that don't work, and these corporatist contracts with govt are simply the BigPharma's way of making a portion of a biz that EVERYONE who knows anything about their industry do not deny that they're "notoriously unprofitable" (no profit in cure: products that 'treat' to continually maintain a perpetual state of sickness, but not enough to die, is their bread and butter biz model; for those that aren't even bright enough to figure that out? stick to talking about NFL) and evading financial liability.

Otherwise, even setting aside the reality that all medicine affect each individual differently (so it's hard to ensure 100% effectiveness), that said, still, IF the BigPharma and the Vaccine Industrial Complex were so certain as to the efficacy of their products, like any other company who manufacture goods that they truly believe in, they'd offer a lifetime warranty, let alone, a warranty of ANY kind. But of course. They don't. And, they can't.

LOL.

So the question for those who consider themselves to be an honest skeptic (which would actually mean examining history, facts, and evidence, and not keep saying "no" for the mere sake of saying no), is: if intentionally packaging an unprofitable product that has been known to harm and often kill, yet even knowing this, intentionally decide to lobby CONgress for corporatist govt contracts, worse: to indemnify themselves of any medical to lethal liabilities for those dispensed via govt subsidized programs, all the while making sure that the govt buys those very same unprofitable and dangerous products on the taxpayers' dime/subsidy, what ELSE would you call that but an intentional evil plan?

What, bills and corporatist contracts just get handed out, without an army of lawyers and series of meetings, conferences, whitepapers and 'policy lunches'??

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

AnCap... what you replied here REFUTES the Op not supports it.

It directly contradicts what the Op says about who is a "real" Jew.

Actually, NO: You didn't read it all, did you? xD LOL! 'tis okay

I 'get' that my previous thread is long...er, well, REALLY REALLY long.

But, if you manage to finish reading it completely, and, actually READ the cited peer-reviewed whitepaper by Dr. Eran Elhaik (THE Israeli Geneticist cited in my previous reply), the conclusion of his study CONFIRMS the Khazari Origin Hypothesis of 'modern Jews' (NOT deny it), as does this current thread's original author cited linked blog-post's assertions:

These Europeans had long ago emerged from Khazaria (southern Russia), where their king – for the purpose of greater, unified control – converted them to the Babylonian schools of Judaism in the 8th century. Thus, not only their DNA, but their perspectives are a different reality from the Judean teachings in Jesus’ world.

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Here's THE study (in .PDF) by Dr. Eran Elhaik, cited in my previous thread:

The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses

Dr. Eran Elhaik
Department of Mental Health,
Johns Hopkins University
Bloomberg School of Public Health,
Baltimore, MD, USA, 21208.

McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
Baltimore, MD, USA, 21208

From that PDF, press CTRL+F (or Mac equivalent: Command+F), then type "Khazar" in the 'Find' box. Read for yourself.

I would copy+paste more relevant text from that whitepaper, but the formatting gets all screwy. But, apropos of your rebuttal that you think what I posted "REFUTES the Op not supports it," if you want the Cliff's Notes version, just read the last paragraph of Dr. Eran Elhaik's research findings, at Page 23 of 37 of http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/12/14/gbe.e...

Conclusions

We compared two genetic models for European Jewish ancestry depicting a mixed Khazarian-European-Middle Eastern and sole Middle Eastern origins. Contemporary populations were used as surrogate to the ancient Khazars and Judeans, and their relatedness to European Jews was compared over a comprehensive set of genetic analyses. Our findings support the Khazarian Hypothesis depicting a large Caucasus ancestry along with Southern European, Middle Eastern, and Eastern European ancestries, in agreement with recent studies and oral and written traditions. We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaized Khazars, Greco-Romans Jews, Mesopotamian Jews, and Judeans and that their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan.

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Gotta read COMPLETELY: yeah, yeah, my schit's verbose, so?

LOL. Na, I kid, 'cause I love.

That said, extra brownie pts. for those of y'all w/patience who do read it all before replying/rebutting with more relevance .D

Yes, the formerly competing Khazari origins hypothesis has now been proven: thus, now an operative working, proven theory (though it will forever be disputed among AIPAC circles).

But, my CORE pt. of my previous lengthy thread is that regardless of where, we're all simply human brothers and sisters who share about 99% same biology. So why fight? That, was the point. But to the specifics of where 'modern Jews' genetically hailed from? There's no doubt: they're Khazaris. But that's just a genetic fact. Who cares? It only matters politically in that area. Doesn't change who they are: TWO semites (both Jews and Palestinians) killing each other, literally over nothing, as more than any of us: they truly share the same blood.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Nice try!

No one disputed any "Khazari origins", but I did read the STUDY, not a silly article about the study and what did the study show?

That the Jews whether from "Khazaria", Sephardim or Ashkenaz shared the same patrilineal DNA ancestors.

So, nice try trying to give us half the story. Unfortunately, there is simply no way to refute hard scientific DNA data which is that irregardless of origin, 95+% of Jews who claim to be Jews share the same patrilineal DNA haplogroups. In other words, they are indeed "real" Jews.

LOL: oh you mean you were too lazy,

so you decided to only read half the story?

So, nice try trying to give us half the story.

HowTF did your laziness become my fault?

LMAO!!!

Seriously, how does one "give half the story" when all these things are merely sourced from already publicly available articles?

Now, you would be correct, if I were to cite my own study, in which I intended to defraud you by weighing half the evidence, and selectively testing a pre-determined set of genomes, specifically to induce a predetermined outcome. But I'm not the one pushing a particular conclusion based on a study I never conducted to be peer-review published, now am I?

Oh, that's funny, because IF the following were so:

No one disputed any "Khazari origins",

then why would anyone reply with this:

AnCap... what you replied here REFUTES the Op not supports it. It directly contradicts what the Op says about who is a "real" Jew.

when the original OP's cited blurb by Connie Cook Smith's whole point was the dangers of many Americans deluding perhaps unknowingly that 'modern Jews' of Khazari origins are the same Biblical/Judean Jews (what you referred to as a "real Jew"), when they're NOT:

The American people are confused about the morality of modern-day Israel, because our schools and churches leave out essential Jewish history.

The European people who were shipped in to occupy Palestine as a Jewish homeland in 1948 are not related to the biblical Hebrews of Jesus’ time.

[...]

These Europeans had long ago emerged from Khazaria (southern Russia), where their king – for the purpose of greater, unified control – converted them to the Babylonian schools of Judaism in the 8th century. Thus, not only their DNA, but their perspectives are a different reality from the Judean teachings in Jesus’ world.

[...]

They are European/British/American conquerors. They are not the small percentage of ancient Judean Jews – who find themselves just as occupied as the Palestinians.

So...how exactly am I refuting the OP's assertion that the 'current 'Jews' who claim to be Biblical Jews are not Biblical Jews at all, but of Khazari origins,' and contradict that assertion, when I cite Israeli geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik's conclusions that proves that they are of Khazari origins?

You mean you really don't see why I would find your response somewhat puzzling?

So... "NO ONE" refuted Khazari origins? So...you mean, you WEREN'T refuting me agreeing with the OP's assertions, when you mistakenly claimed that me 'agreeing' with the Op...is...er, actually "refuting"??

Ohhhhhhhhh...I 'get' it now: since you didn't fully read my rather "silly" and verbose reply the first time, and missed the .PDF link altogether, until I re-emphasized it for your convenience, so in the spirit of simply wanting to be 'correct'...about something, now you're telling me that even Khazari Jews, are Judean Jews? Got it. Ok.

Well, then you're STILL wrong!

LOL. Satisfaction denied! xD

The OP and my accordant reply were both asserting the fact that those of Khazari lineage are NOT the 'Biblical Jews' of Judea, aka. "real Jews" (whateverTF that means, but for the sake of discussion seeing as it's clear that Connie Cook Smith was referring to that term to mean 'Biblical Judean Jews').

What the OP and my reply was NOT about? Is, whether YOU thinking current batch of Khazari-progeny Jews living in Israel and its vicinity should ALSO be considered Jews as well. Or that the fact that in your mind that they're of Khazari lineage does not make them any more or less a "real Jew," so to you, they're all 'Biblical Jews.'

That the Jews whether from "Khazaria", Sephardim or Ashkenaz shared the same patrilineal DNA ancestors.

Indeed: "Nice try!" moving the goalpost, even though in Jewish traditions, the matrilineal factor is the determinant one! LOL

Oh and by the way, did the Iberian Peninsula, or the German Rhine Valley occupy the same location as the Ancient Judea? No?

Huh...now, how about that?

Personally, the entire concept of what a "real Jew" is, or is not, is utterly meaningless and frankly: absurd. As I've stated before:

But, my CORE pt. of my previous lengthy thread is that regardless of where, we're all simply human brothers and sisters who share about 99% same biology. So why fight? That, was the point. But to the specifics of where 'modern Jews' genetically hailed from? There's no doubt: they're Khazaris. But that's just a genetic fact. Who cares? It only matters politically in that area. Doesn't change who they are: TWO semites (both Jews and Palestinians) killing each other, literally over nothing, as more than any of us: they truly share the same blood.

It only matters to statist Israeli Jews, because they want to use that politically to define how the theocratic apartheid State of Israel will choose to categorically deny their own genetically same brethren of their god-given individual liberties, based on their own misinterpretation of a 'divine promise.'

It's a political tool. Nothing more. Nothing less.

That said, of course, you'd be 'correct,' hell, you'll ALWAYS be 'correct,' if you answer your own question that no one asked, nor was the original topic of discussion, like you know...oh, say..."No one disputed any "Khazari origins"??

LOL

c'est la vie.

I can already see that this is gonna become circular and we're gonna talk past each other, repeatedly; as always is the case with anything Israel and "Jews:" unless one is neutral on the whole matter like me, either you're a mindless AIPAC-dildo fcuker and/or every word out of your 'opponent' is a 'code word' for "anti-semitism," blah di fcuk blah, or on the opposite extreme, you're 'NOT rabidly anti-zionist enough!'-clique.

Take a pick: I choose NEITHER!

I frankly don't give a fcuk either way, in the finality, even though I got some Jewish blood in my family.

As for:

95+% of Jews who claim to be Jews share the same patrilineal DNA haplogroups

I AGREE with you (setting the controversy of haplogroup population genetics determinate methods and the lackluster random 'chance' mutation tracing via Y-DNA/mtDNA aside): that's because they're called "Palestinians," the 'other' "Semites." LOL!!!

The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians
By Tomas Rees on Tuesday, January 20, 2009

What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

The Times recently carried this unusual report on an Israeli Jew (Tsvi Misinai, a retired computer expert) who's hoping to prove that Palestinians are descended from Jews. Apparently, he thinks that proving this will help to stop the bloodshed. His idea is that modern Jews are descended from emigration in the first few centuries of the Christian era. The Jews who stayed put in Palestine converted to Islam, and became Palestinian Arabs. There's hope that genetic tests might be able to prove this.

Well, there is good news and bad news on that score.

The good news is that the genetics of Arabs and Jews have been pretty extensively researched. The classic study dates to 2000, from a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked at Y-chromosome haplotypes - this is the genetic material passed from father to son down the generations.

What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

Hey, if the Khazari-'Jews' are 'Judean Jews' to you? Then, so are the Palestinians.

The difference?

Palestinians ARE actual Semites.

In fact, they're probably much closer to the Judean Jewish lineage than the current Khazari progeny.

Proving more so, WHY these labels don't matter, in the end, anyway.

Which makes us dickering over the particulars of 'How Judean-Jewy-Jew are you?'-question utterly irrelevant, and laughable.

Which, like I said was my core point, all along: in the end we're all same human brothers and sisters. Not, whether being a 'real Jew' or not, matters in the finality, but even more so for those living in Palestine with distinctly different set of exercisable individual rights, today.

With that, I bid you adieu, on this particular topic.

-Been fun.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Look, you can try to convince people with pages of nonsense.

You can try to spin the data by trying to split "Khazari origins" away from the hard DNA data.

But no matter how hard you try you cannot change the data which is that REGARLESS OF ORIGIN, 95%+ of Israeli DNA is the same patrilineal Jewish haplogroup as Jews in Palestine from 1000, 2000 and 3000 years ago.

There's no way around it.

Further, you talk about a "study" but you never actually CITE the study, you cite articles about the study. The study DATA supports what I just told you.

I know that blows your neonazi mind and all the Aryan theories you have steeped yourself in over the years. For that, I'm sorry. But there's just no way around the hard scientific DNA data.

A State Created by Railroad Barons

A state created by railroad barons,
now, also oil and natural gas barons,
who still control and develop the railroads,
while using decent Jewish people,
such as former residents of the
Jewish Autonomous Region of Russia
as pawns in their games of economic whoremongering.
It's their home now. They deserve to keep it.
Every people deserves a home.

And they have hundreds of

And they have hundreds of nukes.

Correction not have but have stolen.

The grand theives have stolen everything they have. Nothing more than a gang of low life theives and murders.

sovereign

yeah, right?

Free Mordechai Vanunu!!!

Time for Mordechai, a REAL Israeli Jewish patriot, to be TRULY be free of the fascist state imposed restrictions on his individual liberty!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

nice summary

Another reference for those interested is Shlomo Sand's "The Invention of the Jewish People" (translated title), available here:

http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp...

Great lecture about Israel

Great lecture about Israel from the Bible point of view, very good speaker...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QYQO9GsDD8

A good way to defend your freedoms: www.libertymagazine.org

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