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Solution: Restore the 2nd Amend. & our Constitutional Republic.. Practical way to regulate Militias (Regulate = To make Regular)

Bill of Rights - Amendment II:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

'regulated', i.e. 'to regulate', meaning 'to make regular'.

The idea is that local, state, citizens' militias will replace police departments and standing armies., and the corruption and tyranny they cause.

There is actually a very good debate about whether the current "organized militia" aka the Army National Guard and Air National Guard, are actually constitutional... Or if Congress has lived up to it's constitutional obligations to provide (funding) to states to make regular militias. That's because the Army NG & Air NG are actually used as reserve forces, and are deployed overseas. That is unconstitutional, and arguably means that Congress has not fulfilled it's constitutional obligations (per Article I, Section 8), as the Army NG & Air NG are really just reserve branches of the military, and are not citizen militias, as per the US constitution. That's another debate. And one that should be had.

But, I think practically speaking, local militias/neighborhood watches can work, and can effectively, efficiently replace the police system.

I'll start with education. My old high school in CT, not far from Sandy Hook, used to have a gun range in the basement, for the shooting team. They haven't had a shooting team in 30+ years. But they did. Kids should be taught in schools about firearms, and firearms safety. They should be taught basic EMT (emergency medical technician) practices. Instead of wasting time & tax dollars on multiple study halls and half the junk they waste time on in Phys. Ed., why not take that time to teach the kids these basic survival, self-defense and emergency response skills? Seriously, we used to play dodge-ball, and a silly game called 'speed-ball' in high school Phys. Ed. class. And while fun, non-professional kids games like that, for high schoolers, is a waste of time. We use the public education system we pay for, to teach kids how to become responsible, self-reliant citizens... I know, I know.

The way it work is, if you had an emergency, you'd pick up the phone and dial the Party-Line, which would alert the entire neighborhood. Most people would be trained and have varying levels of skill, but still have basic skills. Instead of minutes, neighbors can be there in seconds. This would also develop a greater sense of community. You'd still have hospitals, courts, and an elected Sheriff and his department to do the paperwork, for the courts. The public Library system can be used for individual basic forensics, like dusting for fingerprints, to gather evidence, to submit to the Sheriffs dept., to submit to the courts, to see if you have the evidence for the sheriff to deputize your small community militia, to arrest the perp. Only real victim crimes would actually be crimes, as the people themselves would be the enforcers of the law upon themselves.
Community centers could be used for the citizens to gather on weekends and practice their drills, discuss politics, eat & drink together, play sports, have fun, and be a community. The founding fathers also used beer and festivities as a way to attract people to participate in the militia. Every citizen would automatically be part of the militia. You would not be forced to do anything. It would simply be in your best interest.

I know this 'system' would not be perfect, and neither is what we have now, but the 'system' I described is what I believe the founders envisioned, and one that could work in today's modern age.



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Bundy situation breathes new life into the militia/2A movement.

Let's hope it starts a trend, and an awakening to HOW we take back our freedom and our country... Bump...

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Add Ferguson, MO to the list of up-risings...

...against the ever-encroaching militarized police-state in America...

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all for the second amendment being enforced

meaning state govts being required to back off on their regulations that effectively prohibit gun ownership.

But your "regulate means make regular" argument is silly and makes it sound like you're selling laxative.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

regulate = to make regular

Just kind of a dicky, trolly move for you to call me "silly" for this...

As you can see from the definition below, the term "regulate" does not simply mean the limitation/restriction/control or something, but it also refers to fascilitation/propegation...

"reg·u·late (rgy-lt)
tr.v. reg·u·lat·ed, reg·u·lat·ing, reg·u·lates
1. To control or direct according to rule, principle, or law.

2. To adjust to a particular specification or requirement: regulate temperature.

3. To adjust (a mechanism) for accurate and proper functioning.

4. To put or maintain in order: regulate one's eating habits"

See 3. & 4.

When I say "regulate = to make regular" that is quite the accurate statement, as that is exactly what the word means, which is why the word is the word it is... pretty self-explanatory... The reason I say that is because I DON'T mean to imply that the Founders meant to imply that 'regulate' only = "1." (i.e.- to control according to rule, principle, or law) Because when the 2nd Amend. says "well regulated" it does not simply mean "well controlled" (who by? some singular entity?) but meant to be made regular, as in regularly meeting... Of course if WE the People can be assured that the laws determining the structure (regulation) of the militia are loose knit and allow for maximum individualism, then the term as defined by 'definition *1' above, would hold up. That does not change the fact that the term "regulate" comes from the root word "regular". So, at the most simplistic level of interpretation and defintion, to regulate is to make regular.
That point however, is not very obvious in today's world of double-speak and purposeful re-defining of key words (obviously you were too brainwashed or near-sided to get it), hence my clarification.

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it does mean well controlled

by whom, you ask. by the people that have and bear arms...not some singular entity. the tyrannical singular entity is what the second amendment was meant to protect against.

I like the idea of community militia, but the second amendment was made to keep the militia in control by allowing the people to have and bear arms without infringement. that way the people would be able to defend/defeat any militia that might spring forth from oppressors and try to enforce the will of said oppressors.

Yeah, that was the whole point of this thread...

Did you read the OP? I believe I made that point clear.

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laxative

to make regular. Soft and loose, soft and loose, give me the juice, the metamuce

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Yeah, I get the joke part. Smart-@$$

This is a serious thread though, and the 2nd Amendment is not just about the right to keep & bear arms, but is equally about a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a Free state...

Just how the hell else does anyone plan on actually physically restoring real individual liberty under our constitutional republic?!

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Them's lyrics!

MC Peepants Yo!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

The first thirteen words of the 2nd amendment.

The clause "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free state..." is finally being noticed! It's no wonder it hasn't been until now. How can we relate to an institution that no living person participated in?

Read THIRTEEN WORDS by Dr. Edwin Vieira., Jr.(available at Amazon) You can read this book in one day as it is a primer on what the well regulated Militia of the several States is and what it is not.

Have you seen the new film MOLON LABE directed by James Jaeger? This film is another must-see film. RON PAUL is in it. It too defines the well regulated Militia of the several States. You need to buy the DVD as it was just released.

Also, please add yourself to the Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/consmilitia

Devvy Kidd has also written extensively on this at News with Views.

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Don't let thread die! Militia is best bet to restore liberty!

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Hey AnCap, any updates on the Oath Keepers & this... ??

Any updates on the Oath Keepers and their 'special ops' militia training teams or whatever they called it?

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Here's what is on the Oathkeerpers'

website:

"A Delegation of state legislators, lead by Washington State Representative Matt Shea, along with a delegation of current serving Sheriffs, lead by Sheriff Richard Mack of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, and military and police members of Oath Keepers, are converging on the site of a stand-off between federal law enforcement and Nevada Rancher Cliven Bundy, to prevent bloodshed and to stand in defense of hardworking rural Americans who are under assault by a runaway federal government."

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/04/10/coalition-of-western-...

Stuart Rhoades is already there from what I've read.

we always hear about the problems... let's focus on solutions

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You want the truth?

You can't handle the Truth!!

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Excellent, Lawmanjed

About time we start talking specific, practical, implementable ideas!

Neighborhood meetings are essential to the restoration of our country.

When we get back to the understanding that we are sovereigns (hence the castle doctrine - a man is king of his castle) and kings, and we begin to show proper respect for the kingdoms of each sovereign, their person, their property and their liberty (what they believe they ought to do), we will be unstoppable.

"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." (2 Corinthians 3:17) God is not a loser, so if we can get His help, we cannot lose.

Interesting to me is that when Abraham's nephew, Lot, was taken captive by several kings who invaded Sodom, Gomorrah and other local communities; when Abraham heard it, he "armed his trained servants" and defeated those kings, and rescued Lot and recovered all his belongings. (Genesis 14:1-16)

We need to train all our households and encourage our neighbors to do the same.

We are actually getting the people of our church together to train them to defend each other and God's property (church property) as well.

Our pastor carries, even while he preaches! He's a strong constitutionalist, and liberty defender (and a fan of Ron Paul).

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

Individual sovereignty is a

Individual sovereignty is a lie.

God's Law, or the Law of Nature, establishes Man's Natural Rights. Each man and woman naturally posses the right to protect and defend their Natural Rights.

While the ownership of property is also a Natural right, all property, including the ownership of land exists in a larger context than the individual. It is purchased, held, conveyed, inherited, sold, and acknowledged as being so accoring to the customs and usages of the people occupying a geographic territory. These customs and usages are part of the body of the Common Law adopted by the people of a territory. These people, if unified by their customs and usages, this Common Law, become a body politic and form, by the very nature of their unity, a state. They are thus in a "state of unity."

Each State in the Union was formed by such people. The 14th Amendment stole the rightful body politic of each of our States. But I digress.

It is this state which has sovereignty over the territory by means of it's Common Law. An individual may have sovereignty over her land and possessions, but she cannot purchase property, prove or declare ownership thereof, or convey it lawfully in any other manner than those percribed by the customs and usages adopted by the people, the lawful body politic, the sovereign corporus, of the territory.

The individual sovereign in law is a lie.

Learn more about unity and the deception of individual sovereignty, or the "sovereign citizen," here and below: http://www.islandmakers.us/home/

Writen with love and a hope for unity in Common Law.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Good Point!

I would also like to point out that King Ahab of Israel did much harm, but what finally brought judgement down on him (1 Kings 21:1 -39) was Queen Jezebel's and his scheme to shame the name of God and steal Naboth's property.

[1Ki 21:17-24 NASB] 17 Then the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying, 18 "Arise, go down to meet Ahab king of Israel, who is in Samaria; behold, he is in the vineyard of Naboth where he has gone down to take possession of it. 19 "You shall speak to him, saying, 'Thus says the LORD, "Have you murdered and also taken possession?"' And you shall speak to him, saying, 'Thus says the LORD, "In the place where the dogs licked up the blood of Naboth the dogs will lick up your blood, even yours."'" 20 Ahab said to Elijah, "Have you found me, O my enemy?" And he answered, "I have found you, because you have sold yourself to do evil in the sight of the LORD. 21 "Behold, I will bring evil upon you, and will utterly sweep you away, and will cut off from Ahab every male, both bond and free in Israel; 22 and I will make your house like the house of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, and like the house of Baasha the son of Ahijah, because of the provocation with which you have provoked Me to anger, and because you have made Israel sin. 23 "Of Jezebel also has the LORD spoken, saying, 'The dogs will eat Jezebel in the district of Jezreel.' 24 "The one belonging to Ahab, who dies in the city, the dogs will eat, and the one who dies in the field the birds of heaven will eat."

and God followed through!

1 Kings 22:29-37)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

By any chance

do you know about David Barton & Wallbuilders? He has a *few* good resources on the subject of the Religious and Spiritual Roots of the Country. There is information and some videos to listen to at the website http://www.wallbuilders.com/ and also resources to purchase via their product catalogue. But specifically I was reminded of this:

1) The Role of Pastors & Christians in Civil Government -
"The Church and its leaders played a vital role in achieving American
independence and they established a precedent for today’s
Christians to follow. So how should a Christian today contribute
to public affairs? Investigate the examples of the Rev. Dr. Jonathan
Mayhew, Roger Sherman, Charles Thomson and other Christians at
the vanguard of the Revolution and discover Biblical guidelines for
political involvement and ways to act upon your convictions."

2) The Black Robe Regiment. I don't know which tape of his I heard, where he spoke about the BRR. But I see he has a section devoted to them - historically and to the present - at the website: http://blackroberegiment.wallbuilders.com/the-original-brr.aspx

Anyway, I just wanted to pass that on.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Great comment... Nailed it!

And I agree 100% about the Bible.

Jesus was a revolutionary and a freedom fighter...

The Exodus was the original liberty movement...!

"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." (2 Corinthians 3:17) - should make that our motto! :)

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You might enjoy this...

Lawmanjed, I think you will enjoy this letter written by the pastor of the church I attend.

http://www.35thavenuebaptist.org/a-letter-to-pastors.html

I wish more pastors and Christians understood these principles.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

Yes.

Very good, and practical. This could be created right now. The technological infrastructure is there for people to communicate, im sure there are instructors who would be willing to teach at no charge once or twice a month.

Start fleshing out the details and make it happen.

Yes, precisely! It could be created right now...

If we had patriotic & liberty minded folks who actually cared about America, individual liberty and following the constitution in public office, then it would be very easy to implement.

We have to really understand what we want, freedom, and how to achieve it. There is a price for liberty, and that is eternal vigilance, and it is on each individual to maintain that vigilance.

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This is a Good post

Lawmanjed. Very informative. I have never heard of the Oath Keepers.
Need to check em out.

The problems I see with this is that folks like me, my family and friends only have the kind of weapons that you use for hunting. I have a rifle and a shotgun. That is like a death trap if your going up against heavily armed folks with military gear.

But getting your neighbors together to form a lets watch others back is a very good idea.
I sure was hoping for a non violent way to replace the government but, if the gov crashes and the economy goes to hell then I guess it will be every man for himself.

Plantin the seeds for our Savior. In the End Jesus wins!

Umm, I'm not sure you understand...? No offense meant...

Ever see a local National Guard Armory?
That should belong to local towns' people, owned by the town itself, operated under authority of the militia.
So you'd have more than just your shotgun, you'd have access to whatever the police or national guard has now. You wouldn't have to privately keep any of these weapons yourself, but you could, as per your 2nd Amendment right. They would be available to you in a time where you would need it, owned by the militia/public trust, which you'd automatically be a part of. And of course you could privately own any small-arms (not a nuke obviously) you want, or could afford.

This is our founders' vision of how to maintain minimal government, by keeping the power retained in the hands of the individual.

I am not an anarchist, I am a minimarchist, and a constitutional conservative.

Mull it over a little more, re-read my OP.

On top of all that, you wouldn't need more than a hunting rifle or pistol or shotgun for 99% of the problems, and 99% of the time there'd be no problems. Repelling foreign invasions is the least likely scenario. One that we'd need be ready for, and we would, but with armed, trained Americans behind every tree, good luck any force that would attempt to occupy American territory.

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I Like Your Idea !

Many, many years ago in R.I. we had a volunteer fire department, in my village. It worked very well, and kept young men mostly out of trouble.

beesting

Thanks.

I grew up in CT, a medium sized middle-class town outside of New Haven. I believe there is still a volunteer fire dept. there, at least mostly volunteer, with a couple full timers.

I actually would travel to R.I. a lot, as I had an MMJ card there, lol. I technically lived there for a year or so...

R.I. is a great state... I also went to the Ron Paul rally at U.R.I. in 2012...

I think my idea is very implementable, especially in smaller states like CT, R.I, MA, NH, ME, VT, etc... and New England has a strong tradition of militias as well, despite the overwhelming amount of modern liberals.

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My Niece Was A Ron Paul Alternate Delegate From R. I. In Florida

She is currently writing a book about her experience in Florida.

We both went to the Oaklawn school, although many years apart. {I'm much older}

I'm also a former trucker, and fully support the coming trucker rally.

beesting

Oh cool.

There is plenty to write about, too.

My pops & I made the trip to Tampa too. Not as delegates but just to go to RPfest. It was pretty cool. The Rally was great. Watching what occurred on the convention floor got me so mad. It became crystal clear at the 2012 RNC that the voting system was 100% rigged.

Anyway, hope people can get excited about taking back our republic on our own, as Dr.Paul said we'd have to now...

I think this 'restoring the 2nd amendment and citizens' militias' idea is a great example of how we can do that.

Thanks.

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Bump!!!... C'mon DailyPAUL, we always hear about the problems...

Let's start focusing on some SOLUTIONS!!!!!!

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