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Solution: Restore the 2nd Amend. & our Constitutional Republic.. Practical way to regulate Militias (Regulate = To make Regular)

Bill of Rights - Amendment II:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

'regulated', i.e. 'to regulate', meaning 'to make regular'.

The idea is that local, state, citizens' militias will replace police departments and standing armies., and the corruption and tyranny they cause.

There is actually a very good debate about whether the current "organized militia" aka the Army National Guard and Air National Guard, are actually constitutional... Or if Congress has lived up to it's constitutional obligations to provide (funding) to states to make regular militias. That's because the Army NG & Air NG are actually used as reserve forces, and are deployed overseas. That is unconstitutional, and arguably means that Congress has not fulfilled it's constitutional obligations (per Article I, Section 8), as the Army NG & Air NG are really just reserve branches of the military, and are not citizen militias, as per the US constitution. That's another debate. And one that should be had.

But, I think practically speaking, local militias/neighborhood watches can work, and can effectively, efficiently replace the police system.

I'll start with education. My old high school in CT, not far from Sandy Hook, used to have a gun range in the basement, for the shooting team. They haven't had a shooting team in 30+ years. But they did. Kids should be taught in schools about firearms, and firearms safety. They should be taught basic EMT (emergency medical technician) practices. Instead of wasting time & tax dollars on multiple study halls and half the junk they waste time on in Phys. Ed., why not take that time to teach the kids these basic survival, self-defense and emergency response skills? Seriously, we used to play dodge-ball, and a silly game called 'speed-ball' in high school Phys. Ed. class. And while fun, non-professional kids games like that, for high schoolers, is a waste of time. We use the public education system we pay for, to teach kids how to become responsible, self-reliant citizens... I know, I know.

The way it work is, if you had an emergency, you'd pick up the phone and dial the Party-Line, which would alert the entire neighborhood. Most people would be trained and have varying levels of skill, but still have basic skills. Instead of minutes, neighbors can be there in seconds. This would also develop a greater sense of community. You'd still have hospitals, courts, and an elected Sheriff and his department to do the paperwork, for the courts. The public Library system can be used for individual basic forensics, like dusting for fingerprints, to gather evidence, to submit to the Sheriffs dept., to submit to the courts, to see if you have the evidence for the sheriff to deputize your small community militia, to arrest the perp. Only real victim crimes would actually be crimes, as the people themselves would be the enforcers of the law upon themselves.
Community centers could be used for the citizens to gather on weekends and practice their drills, discuss politics, eat & drink together, play sports, have fun, and be a community. The founding fathers also used beer and festivities as a way to attract people to participate in the militia. Every citizen would automatically be part of the militia. You would not be forced to do anything. It would simply be in your best interest.

I know this 'system' would not be perfect, and neither is what we have now, but the 'system' I described is what I believe the founders envisioned, and one that could work in today's modern age.

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Things are heating up....

We the People need to be prepared. Is it just about surviving the collapse, and becoming a province of Russia or China or the UN, or is it about restoring the republic?!

"A well regulated MILITIA being NECESSARY to the SECURITY of a FREE state..."

Bump this thread !

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Thanks 'Richard Taylor APP' for sharing this info...

http://www.dailypaul.com/301326/george-washington-tells-citi...

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GEORGE WASHINGTON: First Annual Message to Congress, January 8, 1790:
http://www.pbs.org/georgewashington/collection/other_1790jan...

George Washington: "...Among the many interesting objects which will engage your attention, that of providing for the common defence will merit "particular regard". To be prepared for war, is one of the "most effectual means of preserving peace".

A "FREE PEOPLE" ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end, a uniform and well digested plan is requisite:

and "their" safety and interest "REQUIRE" that they "should promote" such manufactories" as tend to render "them" (THE PEOPLE) "independent" on (from) others for "essential", "PARTICULARLY for MILITARY supplies"." ...."

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Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788:
In Full: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/americanpatriotpartynewsl...

Patrick Henry: Citizens are Supreme to the Existing Power in a Free Country:

"....for the power of a people in a free government is supposed to be "paramount" to the existing power."

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Mr. GEORGE MASON. Mr. Chairman, a worthy member has asked who are the "MILITIA", if they be not "THE PEOPLE" of this country, and if we are not to be protected from the fate of the Germans, Prussians, by our representation? (-of the Definition) I ask, WHO ARE THE MILITIA? They consist now of the "WHOLE PEOPLE", except a few public officers. ..."

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Militias are not Military, They are Armed Citizens "Officered by Men" Chosen "Among Themselves" (CITIZENS), not governments or military.

And as an OPPOSING FORCE to their OWN Standing Army (Military):

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APP: This should alarm any US Citizen, as our present condition of Citizens NOT armed with a 25 to 1 superiority over our own standing army;

and the fact that our "Citizen Militias" officered by men "chosen among themselves" do NOT exist in any number near this in military capability or armament, is CLEAR EVIDENCE that the "long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it" have "ALREADY OCCURRED".

Also read the Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788 for more on Citizen Militias and state powers that you may not know:

In Full: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/americanpatriotpartynewsl...

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But Militias Are Bad (And Motivated By "Race Hate")

The Southern Poverty Law Center old me so:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/splc-repo...

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

who cares

what those morons have to say

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In fact, I'm gonna post their fear-mongering , anti-2nd Amend.

"The Second Wave: Return of the Militias"

"The 1990s saw the rise and fall of the virulently antigovernment "Patriot" movement, made up of paramilitary militias, tax defiers and so-called "sovereign citizens." Sparked by a combination of anger at the federal government and the deaths of political dissenters at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, the movement took off in the middle of the decade and continued to grow even after 168 people were left dead by the 1995 bombing of Oklahoma City's federal building — an attack, the deadliest ever by domestic U.S. terrorists, carried out by men steeped in the rhetoric and conspiracy theories of the militias. In the years that followed, a truly remarkable number of criminal plots came out of the movement. But by early this century, the Patriots had largely faded, weakened by systematic prosecutions, aversion to growing violence, and a new, highly conservative president.

They're back. Almost a decade after largely disappearing from public view, right-wing militias, ideologically driven tax defiers and sovereign citizens are appearing in large numbers around the country. "Paper terrorism" — the use of property liens and citizens' "courts" to harass enemies — is on the rise. And once-popular militia conspiracy theories are making the rounds again, this time accompanied by nativist theories about secret Mexican plans to "reconquer" the American Southwest. One law enforcement agency has found 50 new militia training groups — one of them made up of present and former police officers and soldiers. Authorities around the country are reporting a worrying uptick in Patriot activities and propaganda. "This is the most significant growth we've seen in 10 to 12 years," says one. "All it's lacking is a spark. I think it's only a matter of time before you see threats and violence."

A key difference this time is that the federal government — the entity that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy — is headed by a black man. That, coupled with high levels of non-white immigration and a decline in the percentage of whites overall in America, has helped to racialize the Patriot movement, which in the past was not primarily motivated by race hate. One result has been a remarkable rash of domestic terror incidents since the presidential campaign, most of them related to anger over the election of Barack Obama. At the same time, ostensibly mainstream politicians and media pundits have helped to spread Patriot and related propaganda, from conspiracy theories about a secret network of U.S. concentration camps to wholly unsubstantiated claims about the president's country of birth.

Fifteen years ago, the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote then-Attorney General Janet Reno to warn about extremists in the militia movement, saying that the "mixture of armed groups and those who hate" was "a recipe for disaster." Just six months later, Oklahoma City's federal building was bombed. Today, the Patriot movement may not have the white-hot fury that it did in the 1990s. But the movement clearly is growing again, and Americans, in particular law enforcement officers, need to take the dangers it presents seriously. That is equally true for the politicians, pundits and preachers who, through pandering or ignorance, abet the growth of a movement marked by a proven predilection for violence."

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Where did your comment come from?

It reads like the militia bombed(or members)
bombed that building in OKC

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

It is a quote directly from the splc website...

... I posted to show how bad the splc is, because someone brought it up... Of course the splc tried to blame militias..

Did you see the post before, that I responded to?

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OHHHHH

The specifically perverted liars club? I knew it wasn't your own words
Yep,caught your other comment,after you asked :)
BTW,I caught your comment to the granger,about you and your dad posting,It matters not to me one way or the other,you 2 seem on the
same page...just my 2 cents
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If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Oath Keepers came out a few days after this thread with this...

Credit to AnCapMercenary for providing DP with this thread and the very relevant, timely news about the Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes' latest announcement:

http://www.dailypaul.com/300989/oath-keepers-kick-it-up-a-no...

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Oath Keepers is instructing its 30,000 members nation-wide to form up special teams and sub-teams in each Oath Keepers chapter, at the town and county level, modeled loosely on the Special Forces “A Team” (Operational Detachment A ) model, and for a similar purpose: to be both a potential operational unit for community security and support during crisis, but also, as mission #1, to serve as training and leadership cadre, to assist in organizing neighborhood watches, organizing veterans halls to provide community civil defense, forming County Sheriff Posses, strengthening existing CERT, volunteer fire, search-and-rescue, reserve deputy systems, etc., and eventually to assist in forming and training town and county militias (established by official act of town and county elected representatives). We want our chapters to organize themselves as a working model that we can then take to other veterans organizations, such as the VFW, American Legion, Marine Corps League, etc. in each town and help them establish such teams within their already existing veterans halls. And likewise, to serve as a model and training cadre to help churches, neighborhood watches, and any other civic organization organize.

We are basing this on the Special Forces model, which has a twelve man “A team” of specially trained soldiers who are inserted into a community to train and lead that community in resistance to oppressive regimes (hence their motto: “De Oppresso Liber). . SF’s primary mission is to teach, organize, and lead, rather than to directly fight. They can fight, of course, but they are most dangerous as a force-multiplier by helping an entire community to fight. We will do the same – be force multipliers to help prepare communities so they can preserve civilization by providing their own security, disaster relief, infrastructure preservation, emergency communications, strategic food reserve, and medical care. "

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Great ideas

BUMP to keep it going!

Deekey

This is an awesome idea.

Bump... OF GLORY.

Thank you...

It's starts with conceptualizing the idea, then it is up to us individual Americans to implement it, little by little. We really need to do our homework. Patriots need to seek out like-minded individuals in our communities, and begin to organize, starting with organizing our thoughts and ideas. I think the DP is one great venue for that, on a larger scale.

Find like-minded, patriotic individuals in / around your community.
Throwing parties, barbecues and other events to attract people to something enjoyable, is a good way to get people to show up. Integrate the more serious aspects of regular citizens' militias with fun activities (sports, games, food, movies, etc.) that are consistent with or supportive of the ideas you are trying to present. Keep these things up, to keep attracting new people, and keep bringing people back. Do different kinds of things for people with different interests. Have something for the kids, something for the women, something for the men. se holidays like the 4th of July, President's day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, etc.. to provide a good excuse for these patriotic events...

Other ideas? Please chime in!

I have actually been kind of hoping some people will criticize this idea, and try to take it apart, so I could go through the different scenarios and show just how well it actually could work.

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Bump this thread...!

bump!!!!!!!

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Well

you know who already does this and furthermore has a mndetory national plan so everyone understands what the drill is locally and and staewise.

I know what you're going to say... but...

Didn't we already talk about that, though?

I believe we both agreed that what Israel does is different than what I have proposed. Certainly, some of the things they do and successes they've had can be looked at as possible models for some aspects of a citizens' militia.
But Israel has a citizen military, while I (and our Founders) have proposed citizens' militias, as per our 2nd amendment.

Service in IDF is required.
Participation in active militia drills and chain-of-command would not be mandatory, though membership in the militia would be automatic. In the event of an enemy invasion of the nation or state, then people could be drafted into militia service I guess... that's if we're being invaded, mind you...

Plus, Israel is much smaller and faces much different threats. For what Israel is, and it's situation, that system works and works well. But we are too big, too divided to duplicate what Israel has here. It isn't even necessary, or practical. Wouldn't work here.

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Why wouldn't it work here?

Seems to me it's great way to reduce prison populations from your own citizens for one, actually gets everyone who wants to be a citizen understanding what the defense plan is.. sure beats duct tape and plastic, eh? And finally, lawmanjed, I didn't write a long post.. I like your idea and just wanted to remind you, we did chat about this and I think we are on the same page for the most part.. just a bump for you :D

It wouldn't work, and shouldn't work HERE, because...

We are too large and diverse geographically, and politically/culturally. We are not politically set up for it under the constitution... duh... sorry, but, duh...
If we followed Israel's model there would NOT be thousands of independent, autonomous, local citizens' militias, that could come together under town, county, state, or national command (depending on the circumstance) in times of great NEED.
Instead you are asking for a citizen military in which every citizen is drafted and forced to participate by law. This would be under National command, and would allow a corrupted government to have nearly complete power, with everyone subject to military court-martial. That is the kind of thing Obama wants.
Seriously I wonder if you think things through sometimes. Our Founders understood well how it works, and what was needed to achieve and maintain individual liberty.

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Well, I don't Agree

Having been born into the military, tell me about being drafted LOL.

Obama wants to arm everyone in America? Since when?

I don;'t think you understand how Israel operates, and that's ok, most don't.

Please explain to me then... You know I'm not anti-Israel...

So you can understand that my motives are purely for the retention of individual liberty, and not to knock Israel in any way. It works for them, as I said, but the dynamics are vastly different here.

I did not say Obama wants to arm everyone in America.
You don't remember Obama's 'citizen military' force or whatever?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fO-usAlqak&feature=player_de...

and p.s. - I did not down vote you

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Yes

I appreciate that you are not anti-Israel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces

There is a structure chart, and as you read towards the bottom, you will get an idea how dynamic they are. And look at the history 1907.

As for the constitution.. Regression is not a solution. I believe that the Framers could not imagine the world we live in today. When Israel established itself it definately had our Constitution in mind and improved on it. Israel is multicultural and mushaves are created by nationals, for example, by my count Israel has four American mushavs. How do you get these people on the same page? The IDF does that.

And this is the beauty.. because Israel teaches us that freedom and liberty are products of education and structure, otherwise it's just chaos and unproductive.

It's not my just my military upbringing, which was very difficult growing in in the 70s with protests..and I wasn't in the military but I was.. but it was my Hunter Safety and Gun Safety classes. I learned a lot in those classes.. I learned so much I wondered, "How did I walk in the woods before I took these classes?", because now I see the woods very different and I enjoy them far more because of what I learned.

Why do Israelis LOVE being Israelis (with a few exception who profit off not loving to be Israeli), where Americans aqre ashamed and apathetic? Could it be they feel united where we feel like we don't trust each other?

My downvoter has eliminated the meaning of votes on my name. Many have noticed, several people have remarked about it, and maybe one day wonderful things will happen for my downvoter and they will feel like coming to DP and finding reasons to upvote?

PS I make top posts for myself, events that have a meaning for me.. I made a top post a few days ago about Israel and the World Bank making their FIRST contract.. check out the links and vids.

Israel is advancing and we seem to want to become Palestine.

Adhering to the constitution is not "regression"....

I was just reading over this thread and saw this comment I had not seen before, so here is my belated response...

You wrote - "As for the constitution.. Regression is not a solution. I believe that the Framers could not imagine the world we live in today. When Israel established itself it definately had our Constitution in mind and improved on it."

So you are saying that restoring the 2nd Amendment of the constitution is "regression"? Yes, you are apparently.

And not only did the framers understand these principles to be timeless, but my OP was specifically directed at explaining exactly how the 2nd Amendment (citizens' militias, etc.) could be especially well implemented, given our modern society and communication technology, etc.

Then you claim Israel has improved on the constitution. No it hasn't. No wonder people think you are Israel-FIRST. I honestly have been suspicious that you may be a phony "Israel-supporter" and just pretend to be, as to keep bringing up the topic, and set up others to reply to your points with their own. Please tell me I'm wrong. If I am, then please understand some comments like the one above, may hurt your cause more than help it. And I am a supporter of Israel myself.

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You and me

do not agree on many things. The fact you share your screen name and one has to guess to whom they are speaking is proof enough that you are "two faced" (of course you and your son/father> share the same mind (lol)..

I am saying that weapons have changed and the second amendment needs to reflect drones and other forms of arms beyond the imaginations of the framers. because I want a drone, and why shouldn't I have one based where I live it makes more sense.

It's not what others think about me, it's what I think about others, which I am concerned. If public opinion is what motivated me, I'd not be me, I'd be what they want me to be.

I just made a post the other day of law from Israel that I think the US should consider. As I watch the USA change, I am impressed with Netanyahu far more than Obama. Obama is my president because I am an American. Netanyahu is more my style of a president.. I didn't care for Sharon too much.. and if that makes me an Israel firster to some, that does not make me an Israel firster to me. To me an Israel firster says, "Run the business of Israel, invest in the MIC, charge Americans way way more, take advantage and use Americans to prop Israel. I've never said that, not do I believe that, kiddo.

My cause? What is my cause? I am on DP to learn and debate. I may have some advice from some experience but I have no agenda. I'm in the GOP but I don't think the GOP is for everyone and I do not promote the GOP for everyone. I love Rand, but don't expect him to run for president, so I'm not Rah rah Rand.

Yeah, I love Israel.. really looking forward to going and spending time there seeing for myself what I've only seen on the web.

Whatever Granger, go move to Israel then.. Oh, you're not Jewish

...so why don't you just STFU about it.

I have plenty of love for Israel, but my problem with your post is that you are not supportive of the 2nd Amendment, therefore the constitution and individual freedom under it.

And way to sink so low, Grange. You call me 'two-face', but it is as simple as my father and I both use this screen name. It isn't easy or cheap to post, and we both have ideas to contribute. I have always been open about that, and you are the only one who seems to care at all. And again, what does it matter? Do you know me personally? Instead of arguing your point, which clearly goes against the individualist/libertarian view on the 2nd Amendment, you use the commie tactic of attacking my credibility. Which Bill3 are you talking to at any given time, when Bill3 is typing? Who cares. I don't know any of them, all that matters is what they say.

You are arguing against citizens' militias, and for a citizen military. That is what matters, not the stranger behind the computer screen.

And BTW, citizens' militias and even private individuals can easily own and maintain drones if they so please.

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So,own a drone

Nothing can stop you from doing that,build a RC helicopter,plane,whatever you want,install a camera if you wish
The 2nd amendment doesn't need to reflect the changing of the times It already states the people can be bare arms...What it does not say,we can only own this or that. If we have that right,then it is the weapons of the day,and it was meant so the people had just as good as arms as anyone,including the fed gov
What needs to change is the people who think they can interpret what it means...when it is totally clear about its intent

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Yeah?

How about a drone with white phosphourus bombs or mini nuclear warheads.. after all, if I can afford it.. it's my right and freedom to use all and any arms available to me per the second amendment huh?

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Why not

And it would keep the neighbors friendly,and or respective
To interpret the 2nd any other way,goes against that right
It does not say the fed gov,nor the state gov's can deny us
but keep and arm themselves,after all,it was written for the people,and against the gov's as a whole
Personally,I would like a grenade launcher,and a rocket launcher.
They certainly would make july 4th more memorable and exciting :)
And maybe a tank,just to get to the store safely,not sure where I would put the groceries...details,details
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If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Oh gee

reminds me of a friend who made a potato launcher. that bought him some time. But I'd prefer a drone, so thanks for the support. Griceries. You aren't growing all yourown food yet? tsk tsk.

provided, it's all voluntary, think what you're mulling is a

wonderful idea!

I think you maybe envisioning a modern evolved form of Committee(s) of Safety, like the one that Dr. Edwin Vieira has been suggesting for awhile now:

http://www.dailypaul.com/274326/revitalization-of-the-state-...

Part 1/5 Edwin Vieira at Faneuil Hall Dec 14 2008

http://youtu.be/G6hYECl91hY
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You know, it's kinda crazy, watching history repeat itself...

America's definitely in NEED of an equivalent of a nationwide NETWORK of Sons of Liberty, Committee of Safety, and Committees of correspondence.

But frankly, I currently see no men or women of equal caliber/parity of that of the Founders' generation, at local nor national levels.

Even studying just a little bit of what is publicly available on them, it's clear: the Founders have been intellectually, philosophically, socially, martially, and infrastructurally preparing themselves to take over, AS IF, they were ALWAYS going to boot the Red Coats off into the Atlantic, once whatever THEIR "Rubicon" were to be.

Suppose it should've always been obvious, but even for those of us who studied their era, even somewhat, it's easy to forget that the American Revolution was a culmination: ie. a long train of abuses...

They've been watching, and preparing, for a long, long, time.

The initial batch of patriots who physically took up arms to defend themselves against the English monarch and his henchmen and mercs?

They were clearly philosophically ready, IMHO.

Which, always makes one wonder, even among those one may count among now, as a critical mass of awakened souls, are any of us awake, to the extent that the Founders generation may have plausibly been, at those very specific historical markers?

Now, for the sake of discussion, setting aside the fact that I'm personally averse to ANY and ALL state/Leviathan, PERIOD, so arguendo: limiting the scope of this discussion strictly within the confines of truly Constructionist minarchist-Constitutionalism (well...perhaps -sans taxing powers and eminent domain), IMO the real litmus, to ponder is: can anyone of us craft something akin to, or worthy of, let alone truly intellectually capable of formulating the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution, from scratch right now in the year 2013??

Do 'we' possess such intellectual fortitude steeped in philosophical clarity?

In particular, for those who want to push for a Constitutional Convention, honestly: do you think you're at comparable parity, to the Founders' resolve and intellectual foundation?

Because, like it or not, the ConCon folks, in the end, are trying to impose what comes out of their Constitutional Convention, to be applied to everyone all across America.

Making that idea all the more horrific is the fact that we're at a time in history where demonstrably vast majority of Americans are clueless of the Constitution that we ALREADY have, some of whom, no doubt WILL participate in the ConCon to craft or amend the current Constitution into something, 'better,' supposedly??

Yikes! Shivers... expecting same generation of minds who failed, using that mind to come up with something 'better,' for us all?

Nein. Nein. Nein!

Maybe a long road, but most definitely one thing that America, as a society at individual family level can do, is to instill CULTURE of liberty. Even if that means working within the existent statist paradigm and mechanism, ie. as you've alluded to: training/prepping programs at public schools, as a point of initial departure.

I whole-heartedly agree; teaching the youth, early on, is definitely the key:

1. No.1 rule of thumb = demystification
2. Teaching kids to learn to respect it; make them become masters of their TOOL, aka. a gun

And, there's no better way to do that, than startin' em early:

Check out McKenzie, a NV-r3VOL's then 11yo daughter rockin' Jim Yeager's Tactical Response class with a Glock:

http://youtu.be/bDlodGEp_9o

extrapolate that for all youth (and adults for that matter), nationwide?

Yes please .)

How soon please .D

How often please! xD

If I had my druthers, IF we're talkin' strict constructionist Constitutionalism, keeping the Marines would be wholly lawful, as they're part of the Navy, the only branch of the US armed forces which is Constitutionally enumerated to be maintained, constantly; there's a reason why the Air Force actually legally consider their fleet of planes as "air SHIPS" as per Naval maritime admiralty accordance and semantics shenanigans to allow for a 'naval' airfarce xD

Plus, you ALWAYS need and want a cadre of highly skilled men/women who can continually teach, hone skills, and share/pass on their knowledge, as to be able to improve the next generation, which kinda necessitates that there would always be a place for highly skilled SOF elements...

Beyond that? The USAF as it stands, after some attrition and downsizing, they will be collapsed into the Navy, along with some numbers among the only truly perpetually illegal branch of the armed forces: the Army.

Maintaining a standing Army is wholly UnConstitutional. PERIOD.

As you may already know: the sole reason why the CONgress continually renews a 2yr-funding cycle for the Army, is precisely because Constitutionally an Army can only be lawfully called up in times of war, emergencies and rebellion.

Which is why, for America to maintain a standing Army 'legally,' 'we' must always BE AT war, small or big 'technically' speaking, beyond any and all Mil.Ind.Complex induced reasons and manufacturing and cost-plus contracted resupply cycles.

Then, as for the police?

Well, technically speaking, seeing as how they literally have the same command structure and ranking system as the military, not to mention their uniforms, they are 100% a standing army, and thus 100% UnConstitutional at all levels, at all times: must abolish ALL police, except for a few very specific functions: mainly to go after other corrupt govt officials xD

Perhaps a starting point?

Who knows. None of this will matter if the currency collapse comes and everything collapses beyond any semblance of any possibility of a 'cushioned' fall while working toward gradual rise out of the 'ashes' of the collapse of neo-Rome.

xD LOL!!!

moi, just mulling out loud: 'if I had my druthers...' .D

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Hey AnCap...

Vieira was pretty good... I only watched part 1 though.

I think the revolutionary spirit our founders had is alive and well and is spreading like 'brushfires in the hearts of men' and women in America today.

The prepper movement and the liberty movement are allied and greatly overlap. There is a vastly growing segment of America that is discovering the necessity and the benefits of self sufficiency. Even mainstream people are picking up on and adapting these ideas, if but only in little ways, for now.

I think this preparedness / independence movement is also happening on the intellectual front. The Ron Paul r3VOLution & the DP are expressions of that reality, imho. Maybe I am just being optimistic.

As for the Constitutional Convention folks. I don't think we need one just yet. (As you said, if the dollar collapses then it wont matter right now, but it will matter as per restoring our republic, after.) Not that there aren't things in the constitution I wouldn't mind being changed.
But we don't need to re-invent the constitution. 95% of it is great. The best things in it are what's being ignored!
We need to enforce the Constitution, starting with the 2nd Amendment! Which is about how We the American People are to secure our free states with citizens' militias, every bit as much as bearing arms individually. This pretty much excludes the idea of 'police'. Policing is a British system.

So yes, I am basically thinking about this coming from a realistic standpoint. We have a school system, as it is. We can salvage that, and use it right. Teach kids useful, liberty minded, self-reliant lessons. Fund it right. Fund it locally, and take control away from big government. No reason to destroy the culture and infrastructure that has been built. We just need to 'set it free'.

There is so much I did not cover in my OP. So much that can be discussed, from concepts to practical functions and scenarios.

Thanks for your great comments and yes, we are on the same wavelength.
Having different militia groups, and 2nd amendment and pro-liberty groups come together and unite, to achieve some of these goals, is an excellent idea.
With good communication, we can begin to take back the role of securing our communities. Starting with smaller communities, and as the models for success become clearer, it will spread to larger and larger towns and cities. Americans living independently, responsibly, and freely. Just as our greatest founders envisioned.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

"same wavelength:" ditto that!

Well, as for fealty to the Constitution? That remains to be seen, with this current generation. lol...er.. .o/

Even as someone who leans Anarcho-Capitalist to Voluntaryist/Agorist, I'm not opposed to those using existent political mechanisms, as an educational platform, just as the Doc has for decades. Besides, people will only do what they love and enjoy, and pursue in the manner in which they individually believe is right and enjoy, anyway.

That said, I'm under no illusions as to whether 'reforming' the La Cosa Nostra is ever a realistic possibility nor goal.

My eventual 'hope' is that humanity finally evolves to the point of rejecting the entire psychological notion of 'govt is necessary evil'-PR and the state/the Leviathan altogether, equally as most awake, conscious human souls have come to find slavery an utter moral abomination.

That said, it's multi-generational, and I'm under no illusions that I'll be living in a FULLY voluntary society (beyond those I know and choose to associate with), in my lifetime.

Which is why, I'm mostly concerned with overall trajectories: are 'we' headed in a path toward MORE individual human liberties and freedoms, or more tyrannical?

Seeing as how no one's gonna agree 100% (um, like most everything else in life? lol) on HOW 'we' get 'there,' but apropos characteristic indicative of any 'movement' ie, R3VOLution, if there are a TWO things that I personally do use as a litmus, if 'we' HAD to all agree on something?

1. The Golden Rule/Non-Aggression Principle/Axiom, non-initiation of force: Do unto others...
- follow, abide by, or at the least, respect the morally guiding life-philosophy enough as much as one can to the point of choosing to at least TRY to abide by it, as much as humanly possible

2. That, ANYTHING, or path that leads to MORE individual sovereignty is better, than not.

Beyond those two? I'd say party on!!!

It's all c'est la vie, to me.o)

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul