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“Yes We Can” Defund Obamacare by Not Complying and Refusing to Buy Overpriced Poor Insurance Plans

Yes we can withdraw our consent to comply with Obamacare. If we the people in mass say “no” we will not buy nor comply with this law that destroys lives and ruins the nation. Yes we can defeat Obamacare” Just say no”. To comply with this law is suicide and insane. We do not have to do the will of Obama. Let use Obama’s slogans against him. I say”Yes we can” tell Obamacare to go to hell. Do you agree?




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meekandmild's picture

We put it to a vote of the people

Get it on a ballot to abolish all of obamacare.
It would not take a lot of effort to get petitions to get enough signatures to get it on a ballot.

The IRS is constructed of red tape.

One way to fight it, for anyone who has the knickers to do it, is to accept the IRS' offer to Tango when it arrives in the mail.

NOTICE: THIS IS NOT TAX ADVICE.

I owe $8k in back taxes. It used to be $33k, so yes, I have been chipping away at it, but not much since 2011. I hate paying taxes and am entirely ok with making the IRS do all the work.

The collection of taxes by the IRS is a clumsy process that starts with their recognition that you made an error in their favor when you filed your taxes. Then they send you a letter that says so, along with literature regarding your "rights". A little while later, they send you another letter, then another, then another, until eventually they threaten to levy. I never talk to the IRS until I get that letter.

Then I basically act like a kid who does not want to do his chores. They talk about payments, I say I can't afford what they want me to pay. I get them down as far as I can and give them a little tiny payment. I make tiny payments a few months and then call them back and tell them it's just not working, I can't afford it. They lower the payment. A few months later, I call them again, and they lower the payment again.

I had my payment down to $110/mo in 2011 and then told them that I made my payment with VA disability, and they marked my account as "uncollectable" and told me to call them when I had a job. Yeah, ok. My husband worked for a year and we didn't pay during that year, and we didn't call. Many months after he quit his job, we started getting those letters again, and the dance started all over.

They take taxes out of my military retirement, but I say how much, and it's as little as I can get away with. They take my tax return every year. That's how they get their money. The penalties and interest keep accumulating, but I don't care. I don't have a lien on any of my property, and I am willing enough to cut off my nose to spite my face to be as big a pain in the backside of the IRS as I can, simply by whining and dragging my feet.

The IRS had to deal with people like me before Obamacare was passed, and in spite of it, they have left themselves vulnerable to untold millions of people like me who will do the bare minimum to stay within their rules. I think the best way to hurt Obamacare is to hurt the IRS with its own weapon - the bureaucratic Tango of trying to collect the tax.

I will tell you it is tiresome and sometimes a little scary riding that line. It would be nice to just pay it off and be done with the headache, but I can think of a whole lot of things I'd rather do with $8k than feed the beast.

Deplorable Snare Act

Stay out. Agree to nothing.
The IRS will take your money or they will kill you. Let them.
Lone resistance is futile.
Solidarity is vital.
Victory is inevitable.

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It's obvious the politicians

It's obvious the politicians aren't going to stop this. It's gotta be up to us.

KTLA Los Angeles TV station

http://ktla.com/2013/10/20/discovering-the-cost-of-obamacare/

Obamacare seems to be delivering sticker shock for some Americans. Glen Walker reports on Sunday, Oct. 20, 2013.

Brainwashed Zombie liberal America which voted for this disgrace wakes up to the fact that it's a FRAUD!

As reported by TV station KTLA in Los Angeles, the heart of brainwashed Zombie America who helped vote for this FRAUD.

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are you ready to lose your

are you ready to lose your house and eveything you worked for through leins by the us gov?

that is what they are threatening.
the us gov are CRIMINALS, do not comply is easy to type until you have a lein on what you own.

Ron Paul 2016

How many times are you gonna spout your fear?

Here I think this thread is talking about you.

http://www.dailypaul.com/303091/the-pussification-of-america

Why don't you just comply and be done with it?

It is scary - and they will

It is scary - and they will do what is necessary to make us "conform". That is why it is imperative to have a large number of people saying no - and hope for a jury trial. Any attorneys out there that could give us advice (i.e. put your house under a corporation, etc.)

spikechange's picture

lose everything?

Not sure I understand. How would not signing-up lead to them taking everything I own? They can't take more than the value owed.

Is that what the bill says?

I don't know. I haven't gotten a real answer to that. But the IRS can certainly seize a person's property, as in take it away from the person, for not paying federal income taxes. Then they sell the property to get the value owed. The taxpayer doesn't get a check for the difference. It's just gone.

This is the downside of the way our tax system is structured, especially with today's technology. The IRS can query a list, press the "enter" key, and ruin untold numbers of lives. I imagine that unlike Obamacare and the Treasury Department, the IRS's computer systems are state of the art and prepared for all possible scenarios to collect those taxes straight from individual Americans, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

spikechange's picture

This is the chance

for civil disobedience. If Parks can do it back then, are you afraid?

Are we going to watch DP forever, yet cave on the most gross unconstitutionality? When we ourselves (and only ourselves, note that!) have a say? I mean, this is not about some congressman voting a way we do not want. This is us. This is us logging on to the Gov site. This is us signing papers. This is us, and only us, saying YES on the dotted line.
Don't do it. Stand for something. Hold your head up and say no.
This is our time.

Don't lambast the cavers, when you cave. This has a name. A hypocrite, or worse.

well let us nominate you as

well let us nominate you as the do not comply adam kokesh of the world, feel free to send your title of your house and live on the street while you talk the talk and walk the walk. let nominate you as the poster boy for this and allow the gov to lein everything you own. talk is cheap.
STAND UP let us see your deeds/titles and let us push you to the front to stand with us.

my point is everyone can say stand up and do not comply until all their shit is on the line and taken.

that is my point.

love for you and your property to join us. are you ready to lose your house drive lisc and get everything put on leins and TAKEN.

i am hearing alot of talk, what i want to hear is some lawyers stepping up. until then we are all talking slaves until we can stop this criminal activity.

Ron Paul 2016

I think he's right

Once you log on and start the process you have agreed to the terms and you are entering into a contract. I'm just not going to log on, can't afford too.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Non-compliance

There is no way I would ever comply with this garbage. Also alerting everyone I know around me to do same.

Defeat it, by making it fall under its own weight.

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I hear that millions of Americans are resisting the mandate...

by not having jobs or any money.

I saw the best minds of my generation, destroyed by pandas starving hysterical naked

-Allen Ginsberg

Are you sure or are they the

Are you sure or are they the ones who will receive free health care at your expense?

Only in the states with their own exchanges.

Noncompliance of either 26 or 36 states (I've read both numbers) to expand Medicaid has left a gap in coverage. Unemployed single people with no kids can't get medicaid, and neither can the working poor who don't make enough to qualify for a subsidy. That gap consists of somewhere around 30-40 million people, from what I have read. The Dems call it racist of course, because all of the southern states except Arkansas refused to expand Medicaid, leaving a large chunk of the poor black population without access to Obamacare.

The thing about the states committing to expanding Medicaid is that for now, the expansion is fully funded by the federal government, but in a few years the states will have to start chipping in 10%. At any point, the federal government could simply change the deal and not fund the expansion, leaving the states responsible for the entire cost. When that happens, it will seriously damage the budgets of those states.

Could Someone Sue Due to 14th or other Amendments?

With all the exemptions being given for Obamacare, couldn't a business or individual bring a lawsuit against the gov't for having to comply? Wouldn't it violate the equal protection under the law clause? The 1st, 14th or other Amendments?
With the Senate, Congress, Executive branches and countless unions getting exemptions, I would think it would make for a pretty strong case.

Nice angle!

Def. worth a look.

What would the Founders do?

Peter Schiff's Point

The other night on CToC, Peter Schiff advised that healthy citizens not sign up for Obamacare. That was due to negating the need for insurance. Prior heath insurance policies wouldn't allow pre-existing conditions. Obamacare does. Therefore, why pay for healthcare if you are healthy? With Obamacare, you can get as sick as you want and then sign up - the gov't can't refuse you!

I really have no choice in the matter,

I simply can't come up with the thousands of dollars per year to pay for a policy. You can't squeeze blood from a turnip, but I'm sure the IRS has some top scientists working on it.

Interesting info here

"The law severely limits the agency's ability to collect penalties. It can ask for the money, but there are no civil or criminal penalties for refusing to pay it. The IRS cannot seize bank accounts or dock wages to collect it. No interest accumulates for unpaid penalties.The law allows the IRS to withhold tax refunds to collect the penalty but only if someone overpaid taxes."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100711119

Time to change that W-4.

Thanks for that info.

Based on this, it looks like people that get the Earned Income Tax Credit will lose a portion of it to the individual mandate tax then. I've seen working poor people with kids get thousands of dollars at tax time, not from paying that much in, but from the Earned Income Tax Credit. Those people are going to be so mad - in 2015 - when they do their taxes thinking they're going to get a big check and then it's hundreds or thousands of dollars less than they thought it would be. Sometimes they get a debit card from places like H&R Block when they file. I sure hope they take Obamacare into account when they do their taxes. What a mess, lol.

Do you want to destroy this program?

If you are seriously ill sign up. if you are healthy, pay the tax. If you become seriously ill, sign up. This is economically rational from an individual standpoint, and will blow this travesty all to hell in short order. Then watch the Feds step in to save it. Two trillion dollar deficits anyone?

Watch Out!

The income tax originally had a base of 1%. It is said that Social Security is voluntary and that is partly true. Although the FICA tax is compulsively taken from payrolls you are not required to sign up for the program at retirement thus it is voluntary. That's government thinking for you.

Now Obamacare melds these two ideas together. Either you voluntarily participate or you are "Taxed". The Tax is 1% of your income (total income or "taxable" income is not clear) but that percentage is guaranteed to increase when they need more revenue. This is government motus operandi.

If we all just pay the tax in an effort to cripple and kill this beast then the beast in turn will just devour more. That 1% will go up to 5%, 10%, 20% etc... Then what?

It is rumored that there will be a religious exemption affidavit and if this is true then I suggest everyone who is opposed to ACA use it. That would do as much to cripple this thing and still be a form of protest against it or any further mandate they may try to impose in order to salvage the program in whole.

If there is NO exemption affidavit then the only real option is to refuse to pay NOW. We cannot pay now and then quit when they increase the "Tax" in future. If we pay the 1% now we will only be taking the bait and be caught in yet another government trap.

IMHO

I looked up the religious exemption and it is made

hard to exercise. Sorry, but I forgot the details. Maybe someone has the time to look them up.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

So how do you avoid the IRS?

I understand that the tax will go up. It is already scheduled.

But if we fight, it could go down as well.

We can't fight it by paying it.

WE can't avoid the IRS. If they don't give some sort of out such as an exemption or repealing the mandate all together then the only way to fight it is to refuse to pay. Confrontation with the IRS is practically guaranteed.

This is where we separate the men from the boys. This could be a turning point or just another capitulation to the PTB. The question is will there be enough people in this country with the fortitude.

Oh, you are correct that the tax is already scheduled to go up. I believe it is $695 or 1% by the third year. That is $695 "Per Adult, half that per child" or 1% of household income "which ever is LARGER". They don't even try to hide the fact and it will go much higher than that.

Paying is capitulating plain and simple. We must refuse to pay.

Let me rephrase the question.

How do we avoid going to prison?

My experience with people is that they are basically

A. Stupid
B. Cowardly
C. Unaware
D. Stupid

So given the provability that the vast majority pay, how to we stay out of jail?