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Official DP Government Shutdown Thread

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By David Lightman and William Douglas | McClatchy Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON — Republicans rallied around a budget plan Saturday to keep the government open but delay the new health care law for a year, storming toward a showdown with Democrats that looked increasingly likely to shut down the government when the current fiscal year ends Monday night.

Republicans in the House of Representatives showed unusual unity Saturday in endorsing the plan, then took it to the full House for expected approval. Their proposal would keep the government funded through Dec. 15, delay the health care law, permanently repeal a 2.3 percent medical device tax that helps fund the health care plan and assure military personnel would be paid if the government shuts down.

The Senate is not scheduled to return to session until Monday afternoon, 10 hours before the fiscal year ends. Democrats who control the Senate said they wouldn’t negotiate or consider the House proposal, leaving no apparent path to compromise on either side in the waning hours before money runs out for many parts of the government not on automatic spending such as Social Security or considered essential such as the military.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/28/203539/house-maintains...

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Shame, spending doesn't stop

The shutdown may well prove just how unnecessary those on 'the hill' really are. They pass bills to spend our money without even reading them. They lie often and are like snake oil salesmen. They have no incentive to save money. They throw our hard earned money around like water while families find themselves homeless. Austerity isn't in their vocabulary. They need to adjust their thinking, become as cost conscious and inventive as those they think they 'rule' have had to become to adjust to shrinking paychecks.

Reminds me of a commercial on TV hawking very expensive face cream. Said put it on, look in mirror to see the person you were years ago.
Hell, you can do that free at any time, just remove your glasses!

Deekey

hasn't affected me one bit..

that's probably because i don't rely on the government.. i rely on myself... as Liberty requires.

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!

Another question - How is

Another question - How is this affecting the economy? The liberals are screaming that the Republicans are destroying the economy with the shutdown. How? How is the free market prevented from working? I would imagine some businesses are unable to get certain permits or whatever, but a lot of those come from state/city/cty govts. What else? Is it just because all those federal workers aren't getting paid because they aren't worth anything in the free market?

Who decides what gets federal

Who decides what gets federal funding at the moment? If no funds were approved, where do they get the funds to keep the federal police and all kinds of other stuff going? Who decides how much of it is critical? Is it written somewhere? There must be some limit that is forcing it to be a large partial shutdown as big as it is? I would imagine Obama enjoys closing the parks to make it really visible for people, but how does he or someone else get the authority to shut down or not shut down all the various agencies?

What's the difference?

For anyone who is not on welfare, what's the difference between the government running and not running.

It just goes to show the non-usefulness of the Federal government while it is running.

Fox News headline:

"CAPITAL TO SUFFER?
Budget stalemate threatens full-blown shutdown for DC"

Now if the staff at Fox News knew the difference between capital and capitol, the world would be a perfect place.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

The Hypocracy.....!!

US Govt Shuts down... over an Obamacare pissing contest... Obama approves CIA funding to ship fully automatic weapons without background checks to help the Syrian rebels aka AlCIAda.. so they can kill christian women and children minorities.

Ridiculous...

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Judge Napolitano on Fox today.

He explained that if Obamacare is funded and a million people sign up then, they are entitled to that coverage for as long as they want it. That means we would have to pay the tax for their coverage forever. Once an entitlement is started it can only be stopped for new people. So this notion that some have that we should let it fail on it's own seems to not be an option.

If someone could post the link, I would appreciate it.

Congressional Impasse

Is this some form of nullification in action? Loving it!

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RON PAUL 2012

selective shutdowns of the websites

They have shut down NASA, but have not shut down healthcare.gov

Engage in Secure Exchange

Funny, they didnt shut down

Funny, they didnt shut down the student loan repayment website. Of course, they are more than happy to take my money from me.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Linda Cross's picture

I'm thinking that this is the beginning

of a total economic collapse, the one we have been expecting, and they are calling it a "government shutdown" complete with left/right distractions.

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

SteveMT's picture

Agree. Just ended power broker meeting today went nowhere.

This is the political stalemate from hell.

White House Meeting Ends In Failure: Boehner Says Obama "Reiterated He Will Not Negotiate"
10-2-13

Any hopes that tonight's meeting between the president and members of Congress, which lasted about an hour, would yield results just went up in smoke:

BOEHNER SPEAKS AFTER MEETING WITH OBAMA AT WHITE HOUSE
BOEHNER SAID OBAMA REITERATED HE WILL NOT NEGOTIATE
BOEHNER SAYS TIME FOR SENATE TO APPOINT NEGOTIATORS

Reid chimes in:

REID SAYS BOEHNER HAS TO ACCEPT `YES FOR AN ANSWER'

Which means the government shutdown will proceed into its third day, with little hope for a political resolution on the horizon.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-02/white-house-meeting...

I just heard Peter King is

I just heard Peter King is heading up his own gang of republican opponents to vote to open gov't. I don't know how much truth is in this.

Linda Cross's picture

The situation is providing plenty of scapegoats.

Dysfunctional congress caused the collapse...the people refusing to follow the law of Obamacare...nothing to do with the banks and 85B per month, look the other way folks. Government Shutdown is the cause, it shattered a weak economy.

If you see something, say something, the government is listening.
Silence isn't golden, it's yellow.

DJP333's picture

To all the furloughed govt. employees...

O_o

"It’s not pessimistic, brother, because this is the blues. We are blues people. The blues aren’t pessimistic. We’re prisoners of hope but we tell the truth and the truth is dark. That’s different." ~CW

Eleanor Holmes - D. District of Columbia

"Its our money not yours!"

The same from this video

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/voicemail-leaked-of-congre...

I mean...

We wouldn't want to lose our international credibility or anything by not attacking Syria...you know, because not being able to solve relatively simple problems within the country and having the gov't literally shutdown because you can't make a decision on them, not affecting our credibility at all...

Some doubts about the shutdown

Since I am not a citizen and haven't been that long in the US, I don't know how this shutdown works.

Today, I went to my local IRS (TAC) office, to submit my tax returns in addition to filing for a ITIN for my child (since she doesn't have SSN). The security person at the building told me that none of the IRS services are being rendered now because of the Government shutdown.

The irs.gov site says that there is a lapse in appropriations due to the shutdown. I don't understand what appropriations mean and include. But the site also says that the Oct-15 deadline for the final tax returns is still in effect. Are any of you in a similar situation where you have to visit the IRS office in person before Oct-15th? How are you handling it?

Also are the IRS employees still getting their pay (or delayed pay) eventhough they are not working?

Watching this unfold makes

Watching this unfold makes one wonder about the true nature and character of Obama and his administration. Closing off open air monuments and beaches, parks and walkways is nothing but mean spirited vindictive behavior enacted against Americans. This contest of wills is out of hand. OK... Obama can pee further than the rest of them... so F$%^ing what! His obsession with his "signature" Obamacare no matter how flawed, inaccurate, a gun-to-the-head mandate prevents him from acting and re-acting with rational thinking. His patronizing diatribes, insults and negative finger-pointing against elected lawmakers doing their job is beneath any President who is supposed to represent ALL Americans.

love the bender

https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1374056_636742819680944_1789332866_n.jpg

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

At least the Egyptian military got it's $1.5 Billion...

...so it could murder it's own people... Before this comedy of a "shutdown" sham began.

Or are we supposed to forget this?
http://www.dailypaul.com/294430/alert-senate-to-vote-on-paul...

priorities

The Muslim Brotherhood gift was given three weeks before sequestration began. This must be about priorities. Now there is no money to let WWII vets into their park. Recently, the President almost started shooting million dollar Raythion cruise missiles into Syria and has provided aid to questionable Syrian rebels, There seems to have been money for that.

RAND PAUL comments

He is wrong. Americans want to defund Obamacare.

READ my lips!

They do not want it funded in any way, form, or shape. Yet, he has said today that they, the Republicans, are willing to compromise and make Obamanoid Care more fair, but not to get rid of it!

SteveMT's picture

Govt. Shutdown Silver Lining- Good For Personal Liberty

[Changed one word, but that's what they really mean.]
Government Shutdown Silver Lining - Good For Personal Privacy
10-2-13
The nation's top intelligence officer, James Clapper, is worried:

*CLAPPER: SHUTDOWN 'SERIOUSLY DAMAGES' U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY

and so is Senator Grassley:

*GRASSLEY `CONCERNED' 70% US GOVT INTELLIGENCE STAFF FURLOUGHED

But - for those who care about personal privacy rights, there is a silver lining:

*US GOVT SHUTDOWN HAS HIT NSA 'VERY HARD', AGENCY DIRECTOR SAYS
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-02/government-shutdown...

Oops

Deleted, was supposed to be a reply.

I see the ad headline. US Call for assassination? It's a lie.

US Call for assassination?

Did Congress vote for this?

Did the Courts rule in abstentia?

Is this another unconstitutional Presidential order?

Governments are paranoid, because of the crimes they have committed.

Someone is now financing the publication of this lie, laying the blame on the messenger.

Free includes debt-free!

Cutting down on Non-essential?

Cutting down on Non-essential?

Why is the Government even providing Non-essential in the first place ?
In my opinion if it Non-essential the Government should leave it to the private sector.

Tin Pan