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Official DP Government Shutdown Thread

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By David Lightman and William Douglas | McClatchy Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON — Republicans rallied around a budget plan Saturday to keep the government open but delay the new health care law for a year, storming toward a showdown with Democrats that looked increasingly likely to shut down the government when the current fiscal year ends Monday night.

Republicans in the House of Representatives showed unusual unity Saturday in endorsing the plan, then took it to the full House for expected approval. Their proposal would keep the government funded through Dec. 15, delay the health care law, permanently repeal a 2.3 percent medical device tax that helps fund the health care plan and assure military personnel would be paid if the government shuts down.

The Senate is not scheduled to return to session until Monday afternoon, 10 hours before the fiscal year ends. Democrats who control the Senate said they wouldn’t negotiate or consider the House proposal, leaving no apparent path to compromise on either side in the waning hours before money runs out for many parts of the government not on automatic spending such as Social Security or considered essential such as the military.

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Former Clinton

insider, Larry Nichols, exposed in a radio interview last night, that the GOP unleadership made a deal with Obama and the Dems to shut down the government for a few days to make the Tea Party grassroots believe their activism is working. Then, they will allow the Democrats CR to pass funding Obamacare, which will discourage the Tea Party from the GOP, and force a 3rd party. He said this will allow the Dems to gain complete control, and send us all into serfdom. He also, said Hillary left the SOS to get a jump on her campaign funding for 2016, which will almost guarantee her win. As, Dr Paul has stated many times, we have a one party government, aka collectivists, so what Nichols stated could likely be a reality. And, he's not a progressive Democrat either, he is an old pro-working class conservative Democrat who tried to push Bill Clinton towards the center as an advisor. He said if you think Obama was bad, wait until Hillary gets in office. She will be the Stalin in the Bolshevik system set up by the Trotskyites.

Link?

Good info, it makes a lot of sense, do you have a link or a radio show name?

"Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito."

I wonder if

this is prelude to a debt ceiling standoff coming soon? http://www.nbcnews.com/business/shutdown-nothing-debt-ceilin...

This shutdown doesn't feel right.

Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

No it doesn't, does it? It's

No it doesn't, does it? It's much ado about nothing. To quote an actor in Hollywood...If shutting down to gov't by laying off non-essentials, Obama might find himself out of a job.

Michael Nystrom's picture

So this is dumb

They shut down the government, and no one seems to care, including Congress.

How long are they going to sit and twiddle their thumbs? Until the market starts crashing?

The stock market was up today. Nasdaq to a new high, but not an all time high - we're still around 50% off from the y2k stock market high.

Was that a bluff, or was that the market expressing an informed opinion? That this is just a show.

Gold gave that message today loud and clear. Down $40 or so. Back below 1300 again.

Markets are a serious thing to keep an eye on at times like these. They're like seismic recording devices. You don't even have to read the news. Look at the markets, and they'll tell you all you need to know about the news.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

BTW

"Although Virginia was the only colony to set medical fees by law, the practice of legislative price fixing in other areas was as common in colonial America as it was in England. In Virginia, to be specific, not only prices and quantities but in some cases even qualities of goods and services offered to the public by tavernkeepers, shoemakers, millers, and ferrymen were regulated by law.

The economic philosophy and terminology of laissez faire were among the alien isms imported after 1776. During the colonial, years, government rarely hesitated to act in the economic field where the need was felt."

"The Apothecary in 18th Century Williamsburg" pg.6

Published by Colonial Williamsburg - 1970

donvino

This is what......

A step in the right direction looks like. Now only if it was permanent.

What is...

Mark Le^in saying about this?

donvino

Will Guantanamo Bay be forced to cut back on water torture?

Only one beating a day for prisoners, the government can't afford anything more. Drone attacks will only be able to kill half as many innocent civilians.

But Obama will not cave into this governmental shutdown. Obama and family will vacation as long and hard as they have too, in order to show sacrifice and lead the American people by example.

Debbie's picture

LOL - of course not! They're only cutting down on non-essential

stuff!

Debbie

This is the dumbest shit.

This is the dumbest shit. It's not like they aren't still positioning warships for WWIII. They aren't closing any bases. They aren't even promising to spend responsibly. All they are doing is screwing over a bunch of poor people that work these jobs, trying to make the slaves scream for their masters to come rescue them. It's fucking despicable.

I often write to my reps. check out today's reply:

Dear xxxxxx:

Sorry for any inconvenience, but the temporary shutdown of the federal government has restricted my ability to answer emails. Your message has been received, but I am concentrating my efforts on resolving the situation. I will get back to you as soon as possible after government resumes operation.

Sincerely,
Michael B. Enzi
United States Senator

Debbie's picture

LOL - is that for real??

Is that a real letter or email you received?

Debbie

yes,

actual email from my senator.

I got that reply

From my NY senator on her voice mail today. Gillibrand (D)

http://riseforliberty.com/ For May 17 Money Bomb!

have you ever gotten a

have you ever gotten a personal response?

I ALWAYS get a personal reply from my senators

both of them, but usually a somewhat generic one, to do with the subject at least, from my representative (who is the only one here in Wyoming). Remember Wyoming is a very low populated state, so the senators actually can do this.

Stratagy for the advancement of UN Agenda 21

as committed by the POTUS?
If parks and public green spaces are de-funded and allowed to become "under utilized", these spaces will then be sold off, or non contested tendered out to "developers" for UN Agenda 21 style "Urban Communities".
Multi Story Pack-'em-Stack-'em apartment blocks, centered around transport hubs.
These new style apartments will be tiny, and will come with every "smart" device to spy on you. Smart meters will track your consumption of power and water, and if you use over and above what your local Gestapo deems fit, you will be charged accordingly.
You will be penalized for owning a car.
http://www.freedomadvocates.org/articles/transportation/the_...
I feel there is way more behind this orchestrated shut down than meets the eye.

"Way more behind this..."

I feel the same.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

...

It's notable that the democrats are blaming the republicans for the shutdown, yet seem to be voting against the resolutions to suspend rules, resolutions which would allow funding of portions of the government. If they are against the shutdown, why do they prolong it in the areas proposed for funding in the joint resolutions being voted on? It seems more like the republicans are trying to fund the government minus the parts they don't like, but the majority of democrats want all or nothing and don't really care about what happens. If republicans try to fund parks, and democrats reject it when it doesn't include obamacare, how can they blame republicans for the unfunded parks?

Strategy for the Republicans

1. Continue to send appropriations bills to the Senate to fund various parts of the Government. Each time they are defeated, resend.

2. After a week or so, send funding for Obamacare, contingent on the repeal of every single exemption (including that for the Congress) and the immediate reversal of the one year delay on employer mandates. The bill would force the immediate and universal implementation of Obamacare as it was originally passed and signed into law in 2010.

The House should insist that we all go down hand-in-hand together and that Obama's unilateral granting of exemptions and selective enforcement was unconstitutional, corrupt and unfair.

And if the senate defeats it? On alternating weeks, one week send the Senate a bill funding the entire government, sans Obamacare; the next week, send the bill funding Obamacare, but striping all exemptions and delays.... and on and on.

If the Senate goes for immediate full funding, Obamacare will be the biggest legislative disaster of all time. If they elect the second option, as a matter of "fairness", we have another year to work on killing this thing, And if they hold firm? The debate has radically changed in favor of the House.

Messaging is important

Make sure you call your entire state's delegation. Both senators and all congresspeople. Tell the Democrats to compromise and tell the Republicans to hold fast and prolong the shutdown--because Obamacare is a massive catastrophe and any and all political capital expended will serve to massively rejuvenate their conservative and libertarian activists.

The surveillence state will not be defunded, either

http://libertycrier.com/police-state-programs-affected-gover...

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

hmmm...

If the government is shut down, does that mean it's not borrowing $30,000 a second right now?

Skamania is for Ron Paul 52 percent's picture

Bonneville Dam public area closed - Lars Larson Radio reported

Lars read this letter and posted my pic of the closed road on FB today

Hey Lars - Here in Skamania county we have a bit of an issue with the Federal Government owning almost all of our land. We can't log it, we can't tax it, and it can't be sold to private businesses or citizens to be used productively. Today, thanks to the supposed federal shutdown, our local corps of engineers managed to muster enough essential employees to spread traffic cones across the entrance to the public access area at Bonneville Dam on the Washington side. A nice boat launch, a mile of public fishing access and a chance to see the fishies all closed out of spite. That area requires less effort to maintain than it took to close it.
Dan Skamania
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=691265164235302&set=...

No law can give power to private persons; every law transfers power from private persons to government.
-Isabel Paterson

If the Republicans

are smart...they will keep sending over bills to fund individual departments of government...and let Harry Reid reject them. In two weeks or so this will backfire on Reid and Obomba. And while we are waiting... I would hold some Benghazi hearings...or IRS.

So

The government shut down? I didn't even notice...What WILL we do without them? pfffff....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

LOL!

They locked him out!

http://isthegovernmentopen.com/images/obama.gif

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

They have locked us out of the people's

house. Why does he still get in?

Heard a Republican house

Heard a Republican house member on FOX talking about caving completely.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.