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Official DP Government Shutdown Thread

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By David Lightman and William Douglas | McClatchy Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON — Republicans rallied around a budget plan Saturday to keep the government open but delay the new health care law for a year, storming toward a showdown with Democrats that looked increasingly likely to shut down the government when the current fiscal year ends Monday night.

Republicans in the House of Representatives showed unusual unity Saturday in endorsing the plan, then took it to the full House for expected approval. Their proposal would keep the government funded through Dec. 15, delay the health care law, permanently repeal a 2.3 percent medical device tax that helps fund the health care plan and assure military personnel would be paid if the government shuts down.

The Senate is not scheduled to return to session until Monday afternoon, 10 hours before the fiscal year ends. Democrats who control the Senate said they wouldn’t negotiate or consider the House proposal, leaving no apparent path to compromise on either side in the waning hours before money runs out for many parts of the government not on automatic spending such as Social Security or considered essential such as the military.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/28/203539/house-maintains...

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SteveMT's picture

This fiasco is a disgrace. Senate again votes 54-46.

Penis envy.

Senate Kills Latest House CR Proposal (3rd time)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-30/senate-kills-latest...

Cyril's picture

They really don't give a s--- any longer

They really don't give a s--- any longer, to only pretend they care the tiniest bit about this country, do they?

They just couldn't care less.

It's all about theater.

Or time killing.

Wait. That's it!

Likely, they show up only because otherwise they'd be TOO FREAKING BORED with their time with madame (or mistress) at home.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I'm looking forward to some whine in the morning

I usually have a coffee during my commute and listen to NPR so I expect to hear all about starving pandas, and that old faithful stopped working.
By lunchtime the facade should be peeling off of the Smithsonian and there will be an invading armada massing on the horizon.

yeah...I'm looking forward it.

And nazis are coming to kill our puppies !

x

Hil-frickin'-LARIOUS ! OMG!

Thanks for the laugh!

What would the Founders do?

Check it out

On the second day, it's a dreamland for spies. That's pretty close to an armada, I'd say. :)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/shutdown-creating-dreamland-s...

SteveMT's picture

HOUSE PASSES 228-201 STOPGAP PLAN THAT DELAYS Obamacare

...Again!!!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-30/house-passes-latest...
House Passes Latest Continuing Resolution, Sends To Senate Which Will Reject
09/30/2013 - 20:48

As almost everyone expected, the House just passed the stop-gap bill (with its individual mandate delaying amendment):

*HOUSE PASSES 228-201 STOPGAP PLAN THAT DELAYS HEALTH-CARE LAW

But - notably 12 Republicans voted Nay and 9 Democrats voted Aye. Off it goes now to the Senate... But, the moment it broke on the wires, Harry Reid has his response:

*SENATE MAJORITY LEADER REID SAID SENATE WON'T PASS HOUSE PLAN
*SENATOR REID SAYS HOUSE REPUBICANS WANT TO SHUT DOWN GOVERNMENT

So it looks like we are heading to government shutdown tonight (and for now the S&P does not care one little bit).
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-30/house-passes-latest...

how much money are we saving everyday with this thing closed?

Can someone start a post with numbers we are saving or how much of the debt we are paying back being closed.

When a business isn't bringing in the money to keep the business going, they lay off workers, cut expenses etc., so should we. Shut 'er down

You mean our great grandchildren??

They are the ones on the hook for the current spending.

WE are paying for spending that occurred years ago.

I just hope Obummer doesn't decide to take an EXTENDED vacation.

Tabloid Journalists, CNBC

I will never, ever, watch CNBC again. Or listen to it.

They have the objectivity and professionalism of Huffpo. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/09/cnbc-quickly...

Its time to defund the government and their illegal currency

Canadians have setup commonlaw courts to indict and prosecute criminal acts of genocide committed by the vatican against the indigenous Canadians. Those crimes spanned decades, and the Canadian government gave immunity to the church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rwczSMwRs

Why cant we do the same here.....declare congress & obama illegal and in contempt of the American public?

Setup common law courts to enforce the law against those who will not enforce the law ?

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

i can't listen to this congress and presidential BS any longer

i gotta stop listening before i puke. well one thing is for sure: i aint no democrat. (the final straw was listening to a senator talking about how a small group of republicans in one house of one branch of govt. want to shut down the govt just to keep women from getting birth control).

my message to govt employees: go home and stay there until you get that hungry feeling in your stomach that will make you go out and get a real job.

isn't this all about our debt going out of control? they should be talking about the money we'll be saving by laying off govt employees. so we'll be able to go see the grand canyon still without a govt employee having to collect a parking fee right?

The reason for the "budget debate"?

The U.S. government is flat broke, with debts it can't and won't pay without creating extraordinary inflation.
The only thing the U.S. Treasury can do to "solve" the budget debate is to exchange more worthless securities with the Federal Reserve for more electronic digits, which are backed by "the full faith and credit" of the flat-broke U.S. government.

This "budget debate" will become commonplace in the coming years until the nation creates a new monetary system.

Obama's response: "We can't be broke, we still have a printing press to fund ObamaCare."

My favorite hypocritical comment on C-Span was the

pro Obamacare spokesman when speaking out against the republican's actions stated, "this isn't democracy it's MOBocracy"

Democracy itself is MOBocracy and this is why we were given a republic, too many in government appear to be ignorant of this fact.

SteveMT's picture

Here is the list of traitors who voted Yea.

YEAs ---54
Baldwin (D-WI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Coons (D-DE)
Donnelly (D-IN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Heinrich (D-NM)
Heitkamp (D-ND)
Hirono (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Manchin (D-WV)
Markey (D-MA)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Warren (D-MA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_c...

Baucus

Now that he's leaving, his true colors have been showing. Saw that coming.

Why is there even an Independent party?

They always vote with the left so they are kind of redundant aren't they? Thanks Steve!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

"Independent of parties".

It means "Indepdent of parties", i.e. they ran without the nomination of a recognized party, not as the candidate of a party named "Independent" - and especially not the "American Independent Party" as well. (That one was started by Wallace, when he still opposed integration back in the freedom ride days.)

This is typically a candidate who didn't receive their party nomination, lost the primary, got kicked out of the party, or has some other reason not to run as a party member (such as an ideological split with the party line and/or party leadership on some major issue, or running in a district where the voters strongly support the candidate but are revolted by the party he'd logically join.)

Sanders, for instance, considers himself a "democratic socialist", in favor of Scandinavian-style social democracy. He's not a member of the Democratic party (or any other), though he caucuses with them and is counted as a Democrat for committee assignments.

Winning this way is hard (though possible in congress), so there are few. They've mostly been pseudo-Democrats.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Thank you Sir

I understand the ideal but I am having trouble understanding the point. Like you say "They've mostly been pseudo-Democrats" so it just seems to be redundant. I don't think they have ever voted against the left that I know of, may as well be left. Right? lol Great history you share here, thank you!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Don't you bring...

the Constitution into this, McCaskill. ACA is unconstitutional and you damn well know it.

Using words like "they did this" "they did that" "those republicans" and then talking about "bipartisan cooperation" is absurd. What an abysmal speaker.

EDIT:...did... did she just compare other governments around the world with children?

McCaskell speaks well but is

McCaskell speaks well but is so uninformed. What a waste of good oratory. She has no idea what the Brits and Canadians in Ontario think about the new global medical system model that Obama is mandating to bring in. It's a mess! bringing in boatloads of foreign doctors, giving "newcomer" visas to foreign students and sending the cream of the Canadian crop of medical students offshore as foreign students somewhere else with a very big price tag. This is very much part of the global design to take control of your health and welfare...cradle to grave literally. It would be OK if you got affordable money's worth but you don't.. chaos, incompetence and undeliverable system is what prevails. I don't know who the real target is for all this care. I would tend to be more concerned as to why we're all so sick!

Also, We Have A 2nd Amendment Calling For No Infringement

We don't have a health care law amendment.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

I noticed

how she brought that into the conversation as well. Hilarious, if only she saw the irony in saying how "they" aren't threatening to shut down the government unless gun control is enacted.

By all means, do that. We won't budge one inch, folks. ;)

Looks like just another day on the Senate floor...

Fear-mongering for dollars... "Give us money or horrible things will happen"... When the mafia says this, it's illegal, but...

SteveMT's picture

Senate Kills Obamacare Delay With 54 Aye votes.

With 54 Aye votes, the Senate gets enough votes to table the house proposal to delay Obamacare and send it back to the House. What happens next, only Vince Gilligan knows.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-30/senate-kills-obamac...

Diamond Dog's picture

CNBC has a countdown ticker

to the shutdown. LOL.

11:13:15.

The Diamond Dog is a real cool cat. | Reporting on the world from an altitude of 420.

Senator King Bashes House Republicans: ‘They Hate Government....

‘They Hate Government. They Don’t Want Government To Work.’

KING: If [Bohener] brought the continuing resolution that we sent him yesterday… chances are it would pass. It would get most of the Democratic votes and enough Republican votes to achieve a majority, but they’ve got this rule that if they can’t have a unified caucus then nothing comes to the floor. That’s one of the things I think people should realize: Out of 535 people in Congress, this is like 120 or so that are — you know, it’s the tail wagging the dog.
The other thing that I think that’s important, and it didn’t come up in your earlier discussion, is there is a pernicious inner logic to what these characters are doing. They hate government. They don’t want government to work. They don’t believe government can or should work. Crashing the economy, crashing the government, is a kind of weird success and it’s very hard to reach agreement with people who don’t share a kind of basic appreciation of the institution. This is dangerous. We’ve never been here before.

I agree with my Independent Maine Senator Angus King... And I ask those that oppose this view to explain why he is wrong?

There are Many Bobs...I'm the Maine Bob!

What We Can Do...

There are basically two groups here. There are the pro-Obamacare (most Democrats) & anti-Obamacare (most Republicans). Considering that Obamacare is an issue with freedom, we need to petition our congresspeople & senators.

-We need to tell the Republicans to stand strong against the Democrats and their tyranny. Their position is right and just: no government should have the ability to require a person purchase a commercial product.

-We need to tell the Democrats that they need to compromise, because the Individual Mandate is a massive growth in federal power & is going to seriously harm your finances and the finances of your friends & family.

We need to work both sides of the aisle here, because telling Democrats to repeal Obamacare won't work and telling Republicans to compromise is precisely why we still have the massive threat of Obamacare.

EDIT: I just finished calling both my Senators & all 27 Congresspeople. My message to the Democrats was that they need to compromise, since the ACA isn't perfect and its provisions are impossible to meet for myself and my siblings. My message to the Republicans was that they need to join other Republicans in the House & Senate and stand firm.

YOU ROCK!!

thanks for the inspiration.

kind people rock

Ditto, Ditto!

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A.Hansen