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SHOCKING! (Okay...Not Really, by Now) NYT: NSA spying on Anyone Suspected of a 'Crime!'

NYT Reporting NSA Spying On Anyone SUSPECTED Of A Crime!

Published on Sep 30, 2013

September 30, 2013 CBC News


TechDirt.com: "NSA Has Built Its Own, Secret, Warrantless, Shadow Social Network, And You've Already Joined It"!

NSA Has Built Its Own, Secret, Warrantless, Shadow Social Network, And You've Already Joined It

by Mike Masnick | (Mis)Uses of Technology
Mon, Sep 30th 2013 5:43am

Somewhat amazingly, the new report notes that in 2006, the NSA asked the Justice Department for permission to do exactly this sort of thing, and was rejected, saying that a "misuse" of that kind of data "could raise serious concerns." Indeed, it could, and does raise serious concerns, but apparently the current administration just doesn't give a crap.

[As in, even GWB's regime actually gave slightly more crap about their Constitutional Oath, than oBUSHma; indeed, as Sy Hersh asserted: Obama is worse than Bush.]

Soon after the very earliest reporting on Ed Snowden's leaked documents about PRISM, the folks from Datacoup put together the very amusing GETPRSM website, which looks very much like the announcement of a new social network, but (the joke is) it's really the NSA scooping up all our data and making the connections. It's pretty funny. Except, of course, when you find out that it's real. And, yes, that seems to be the latest revelation out of Ed Snowden's leaks. The NY Times has an article by James Risen and Laura Poitras (what a combo reporting team there!) detailing how the NSA has basically built its own "shadow" social network in which it tries to create a "social graph" of pretty much everyone that everyone knows, foreign or American, and it all happens (of course) without a warrant. And, note, this is relatively new:

The agency was authorized to conduct “large-scale graph analysis on very large sets of communications metadata without having to check foreignness” of every e-mail address, phone number or other identifier, the document said. Because of concerns about infringing on the privacy of American citizens, the computer analysis of such data had previously been permitted only for foreigners.

The agency can augment the communications data with material from public, commercial and other sources, including bank codes, insurance information, Facebook profiles, passenger manifests, voter registration rolls and GPS location information, as well as property records and unspecified tax data, according to the documents. They do not indicate any restrictions on the use of such “enrichment” data, and several former senior Obama administration officials said the agency drew on it for both Americans and foreigners.

There were apparently two policy changes that allowed this to happen, and both occurred in the past three years. First, in November of 2010, the NSA was allowed to start looking at phone call and email logs of Americans to try to help figure out associations for "foreign intelligence purposes." Note that phrase. We'll come back to it. For years, the NSA had been barred from viewing any content on US persons, and the NSA, President Obama and others have continued to insist to this day that there are minimization procedures that prevent spying on Americans. Except, this latest revelation shows that, yet again, this isn't actually true.

The second policy change came in January of 2011, when the NSA was told it could start creating this massive "social graph" on Americans without having to make sure they weren't Americans any more, as indicated above.

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They've been listening for a long long time...

Unfortunately, we have not!

Here is an article archive from the 12 August 1988 issue of The New Statesmen:

Title: Somebody's listening


Interesting web search terms:

Duncan Campbell

Zircon affair


This next link shows just how long ago the alliance of snoopers was formed before function creep turned it into the monster we are now dealing with:



SOMEONE IS LISTENING: The computers in stations around the globe are known, within the network, as the ECHELON Dictionaries. Computers that can automatically search through traffic for keywords have existed since at least the 1970s, but the ECHELON system was designed by NSA to interconnect all these computers and allow the stations to function as components of an integrated whole.

The NSA and GCSB are bound together under the five-nation UKUSA signals intelligence agreement. The other three partners all with equally obscure names are the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) in Britain, the Communications Security Establishment (CSE) in Canada, and the Defense Signals Directorate (DSD) in Australia.

The alliance, which grew from cooperative efforts during World War II to intercept radio transmissions, was formalized into the UKUSA agreement in 1948 and aimed primarily against the USSR.

The five UKUSA agencies are today the largest intelligence organizations in their respective countries. With much of the world's business occurring by fax, e-mail, and phone, spying on these communications receives the bulk of intelligence resources.

For decades before the introduction of the ECHELON system, the UKUSA allies did intelligence collection operations for each other, but each agency usually processed and analyzed the intercept from its own stations.

Under ECHELON, a particular station's Dictionary computer contains not only its parent agency's chosen keywords, but also has lists entered in for other agencies.

In New Zealand's satellite interception station at Waihopai (in the South Island), for example, the computer has separate search lists for the NSA, GCHQ, DSD, and CSE in addition to its own.

Whenever the Dictionary encounters a message containing one of the agencies' keywords, it automatically picks it and sends it directly to the headquarters of the agency concerned.

No one in New Zealand screens, or even sees, the intelligence collected by the New Zealand station for the foreign agencies.

Thus, the stations of the junior UKUSA allies function for the NSA no differently than if they were overtly NSA-run bases located on their soil.

End the FIAT monetary system that feeds this monster, repeal legal tender laws, and it will all wither away!

that, they have; in interest of visual space, in the addendum

portion of the thread, I took out the comment-section that addresses and alludes to the points you just brought up, that was in another thread: please check it out.D

TechDirt.com: "NSA Has Built Its Own, Secret, Warrantless, Shadow Social Network, And You've Already Joined It"!

** For those of y'all who've been tracking both PRE- & Post-Snowden NSA revelation developments, while all these programs in some shape or form have already been existence, let alone Constitutional violations well before the National Security Act of 1947 (Pre-Civ. War? Yes, but...so, okay: for the sake of conversation, let us limit the discussion in context of post-govt electronic surveillance era, starting in the 20th century), but demonstratively, even worse than ECHELON, at least in context of an epoch in history with utter ubiquitous prevalence of web-usage by almost every modern user of technology throughout the world in the internet age, there has been no single administration more egregiously, criminally, murderously against their Constitutional Oaths and the people whom they've supposedly took an Oath to defend and protect the document which guarantees those enumerated rights, than the oBUSHma Admin.

Even as horrendous as GWB's regime was (and their influence, one which we're all currently still living uder), the fact that oBUSHma almost went out of his way to out do GWB on Constitutional violations, exponentially worse than the village simian, is truly telling.

Don't think it's a hyperbole to assert that, in fact, Barack Hussein Obama is exponentially a worse tyrant than George Walker Bush.

Precisely, because Obama is getting away with the same GWB crimes, and in addition, continuation and expansion of those crimes: ones even GWB in the most acquiescent, amenable political climate, couldn't get away with.

Obama, is truly perhaps the worst tyrant the American Constitutional Republic has ever witnessed. The tyrants are in fact running out of time: they just don't know it yet.

For many here, the proverbial "Rubicon" has already long been crossed: in some ways, and some are simply in a holding pattern until 'they' decide to physically cross your individual set-'line in the sand,' that you've decided for yourselves, to be challenged by the tyrants and their functionaries.

But, as it always has throughout history, there will come a visible tipping point, even for the currently asleep 'Blue-Pill'-ers; there will come a visible critical mass, which seems to be getting closer and closer as this whole thing entropy: y'all prepped??

and this one:

Jean Luc Picard vs NSA: "The Drumhead," a Cautionary Tale vs Surveillance PoliceState where EVERYTHING = 'Evidence' against You!

Jean Luc Picard: "I don't like what we have become."

Lessons in Humanity: Habeas Corpus


Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Okay, regarding this occupation of spying...

How many times do you have to watch someone pick their nose before you start to question the career path you've chosen for yourself? Surveillance is 1% useful information and 99% watching people eating, farting, and scratching themselves.

Don't feed the pandas. Ever.

You're Missing The Point

I forget which leader it was (I think Stalin) who said something along the lines of "show me the man, I'll find you the crime".

The spying allows them to build a case against anyone. Plus there are so many laws and regulations now that Harvey Silverglate wrote a book called "Three Felonies a Day" (referring to the number of crimes he estimates the average American now unwittingly commits because of vague laws).


Star Trek TNG, Season 4 Ep. 21. The Drumhead

PERFECTLY illustrates the dangers of this! lol. your reply actually prompted me to seek out this episode along with starting a whole new thread! lol. I completely forgot the title of the episode, so took some searchin' but found it.D

Please check it out:

Jean Luc Picard vs NSA: "The Drumhead," a Cautionary Tale vs Surveillance PoliceState where EVERYTHING = 'Evidence' against You!

Jean Luc Picard: "I don't like what we have become."

Lessons in Humanity: Habeas Corpus

Uploaded on May 27, 2010

Picard's civil rights speech

Uploaded on May 5, 2009

Picard on issues of civil rights and liberties. Clip from season 4 episode 21 "The Drumhead," Star Trek: The Next Generation

Star Trek is a (c) copyright by Paramount Pictures.

STNG The Drumhead Closing Scene between Picard & Worf

Published on Apr 23, 2012

A retired admiral boards the Enterprise in an effort to determine the actions aboard the ship surrounding an act of sabotage and possible treason.

Star Trek is a (c) copyright by Paramount Pictures.


+ As always, the tyranny apparatus is 'necessary for our own safety and the greater good!' Didn't ya know??

Completely forgot how brilliant, sublime and beautiful Star Trek can be, in communicating a cautionary allegory so poignantly: PRECISELY, why you do not want an NSA-like ubiquitous surveillance, period.


+ Statist Humanist angle & the still cognitively dissonant oBUSHmaBot-ness aside (even by 2010, even after 2yrs of Obama continuing/expanding GWB's crimes, the dude's still unfortunately Blue-Pillin'), in specific context of what the episode was about within the ST lore timeline, the following is a pretty good overall summary of the episode itself:

A Humanist's Review: Star Trek The Next Generation - Episode "The Drumhead"

Uploaded on Aug 13, 2010

My review of my favorite episode from Star Trek TNG, and how it relates to today. I hope you enjoy this review, even if you are not a fan of Star Trek.

Star Trek is a (c) copyright by Paramount Pictures.

TNG 4x21 'The Drumhead' Trailer

Uploaded on Nov 23, 2010

Star Trek TNG.S04E21.The Drumhead @ Internet Movie Database (IMDB)

The Drumhead - Wiki Entry:

"The Drumhead"

Star Trek: The Next Generation episode

Season 4
Episode 21

Directed by Jonathan Frakes
Written by Jeri Taylor
Featured music Ron Jones
Cinematography by Marvin Rush
Production code 195
Original air date April 29, 1991

"The Drumhead" is the 95th episode of the syndicated American science fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation, the 21st episode of the fourth season. It was directed by cast member Jonathan Frakes[1] ("Commander William T. Riker").


When an explosion within the dilithium chamber of the Federation starship Enterprise's engine room, appears to be the work of sabotage, Starfleet Command dispatches retired Rear Admiral Norah Satie to lead an investigation to uncover the cause.

Satie discovers that J'Dan (Henry Woronicz), a Klingon exchange officer, had been using modified hypospray syringes to encode information into amino acid sequences for secret transport. J'Dan is forced to admit his collaboration with the Romulans but attests he did not sabotage the chamber. Satie and Captain Picard (Patrick Stewart) expand their investigation to interview crewmen who associated with J'Dan. One of the interviewees is medical technician Simon Tarses (Spencer Garrett) who claims that his only relationship with J'Dan was to administer injections necessary to treat a rare disease, but Satie's Betazoid aide (Bruce French) senses that Tarses is concealing something. Meanwhile, Chief Engineer La Forge (LeVar Burton) and Commander Data (Brent Spiner) determine that the hatch failed due to simple fatigue, not sabotage.[2] Picard considers the matter closed, but Satie pushes to complete her investigation of Tarses. During a second interview with Tarses, this time in front of an audience, Satie's aide falsely accuses Tarses of using a compound found in Sickbay to sabotage the hatch. He then accuses Tarses of falsifying his academy entrance application and that he is in fact one quarter Romulan, not one quarter Vulcan as he had claimed. Tarses, shaken, invokes his rights under the Seventh Guarantee of the Federation Constitution and refuses to answer the accusation on the grounds that his answer may serve to incriminate him.

Satie uses this discovery as a pretext to expand her investigations. Picard objects, but Satie reveals that she has been in constant contact with Starfleet Command and that all future hearings will be open and that Admiral Thomas Henry (Earl Billings) of Starfleet Security will attend. Though Picard resolves to prevent her from conducting a witchhunt, he finds himself summoned to be interviewed before the tribunal. Satie uses the hearing to accuse Picard of numerous transgressions of the Prime Directive and other Starfleet orders. When Lt. Worf (Michael Dorn) stands to defend Picard's actions, Satie turns on him, pointing out Picard's poor judgment in having a Chief of Security who is the son of a traitor. Picard recalls a quote from Satie's father: "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."[3] Satie is infuriated. She accuses Picard of being a Romulan collaborator who plans to destroy the Federation from within and claims "I've brought down bigger men than you, Picard!" Satie's fanatacism proves to be her undoing as Admiral Henry leaves the room and calls an end to the investigation.

Worf and Picard reflect on Satie's disgrace and Worf expresses regret for assisting her in her investigation. Picard points out that Satie appeared to serve a noble cause while in fact subverting the principles of the Federation. He concludes that the price of their freedom is eternal vigilance.

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Yeah - I get it. I'm talking about the low-level thugs who have

to watch the tapes. Who could do that for a living?

Don't feed the pandas. Ever.

The question that needs to be asked is....

....how do they KNOW who is suspected of a crime?

That proves integration into FBI and F*si on Center databases as well as all local police and state databases.

The problem is they do not know what a "crime" actually is

. If they were watching people suspected of crime the banksters, psycho cops and bureaucrats would be in prison already.

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