they were there the whole time.
Biker cop joined in SUV beaddown:
Video shows undercover officer shattering rear window:
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
I've had numerous encounters with bikers of this sort. Either bumper hugging, lane marker sneaks, brake checking, squeeze plays, shoulder lane snakes, or other moving violations that I don't readily understand or support. None of it positive.
But none of those incidents involved my family riding along. That changes the circumstance dramatically.
the 1'st motorcyclist drives up beside the suv in the same lane and looks to the right at the suv about three times before cutting short in front of him and looks back over his left shoulder at the suv then starts slowing down. The suv tries to veer to the right to give the biker space as he passes in the same lane. I think the suv may have beeped at him, which may have been why the motorcyclist was staring him down. If you look closely before the bike collision, the suv's front end goes down a bit before impact, which shows he had started breaking. Also, the suv started gradually breaking as the bike was passing the suv. @ 2:47-2:49, you see the first major tap on the break as it's front end goes down a bit, though he had been gradually slowing down before that. It's difficult to see because you don't know if the cameraman was just speeding up, but if you look at all the bikers around the suv at time, they all advance forward more quickly in relation to the suv at the time. This indicates to me the the suv was most likely in the process of slowing down.
It happened pretty quickly and even if the suv had been able to break quickly at that short distance, he still has to worry about the other bikes hugging his rear bumper. So, there likely would have been an accident either way, in the front or back.
I always give bikers a wide berth but sometimes they just love to bumper hug.
It was difficult to see what happened after that but the suv started beeping a lot just before it pushed forward. You almost need to put the video on slow motion and enlarge it a lot to get a better idea of what's happening around the suv. Even then it will probably be hard to tell.
What was the reason for the bikers to slow down and swarm the car?
There were not a ton of vehicles in front of them they could have just kept driving. 1 particular biker slowed down intentionally in front of the SUV and was tapped. After that someone got out and started walking towards the SUV. He protected his family by driving away, plain and simple.
"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul
I didn't mean he wasn't justified in getting out of there. I just meant I couldn't tell specifically what happened in addition to being surrounded, which of course, would have been scary. I thought I read they were slashing the tires initially, but maybe that came later after the chase. I assume they already pulled the 1'st guy that got hit got out from in front of the suv, assuming he landed over in front of it after the initial hit.
I feel that the biker who pulled out in front of the SUV and engine braked was the escalator of this chain of unfortunate events and should be charged accordingly (I stay away from riding with idiots like him).
The Driver of the SUV, as a result of a fear for his and his family's safety, had every right to flee the danger that he felt was present. However, he did run someone over in the process putting him, also someone's family member, in a coma with life threatening injuries. At the very least, the medical costs to that unfortunate rider should be covered by the Driver or by the biker who caused the chain of events as they unfolded.
I guess as a result, I've come to a Neutral position on this and just hope that all families involved in this incident can reach fully physical and emotional recovery.
Let this serve as a lesson to all of us who ride or drive. Clearly, egos on the road are a hazard. We should all remember this event should we ever let road rage into our minds.
"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
"(I stay away from riding with idiots like him)."
We can't say anything about the character or intentions of the guy in the hospital but he was a victim of the initial actions of the guy who provoked this incident. Unfortunately he chose the wrong guy to ride with.
Bad situation all the way around.
The biker who got hit initially was clearly at fault, as he pulled directly in front of the SUV and stopped. After the initial crash the SUV stopped, as he should have. The video then shows a dismounted biker on the driver's side of the SUV making some kind of violent motion with his arms. It's hard to tell what he's doing, maybe banging on the door, yanking at the door handle, or possibly trying to grab the driver (if the window was down)? Either way, he's doing something threatening, and at the same time bikers are surrounding the SUV. The real question is whether the SUV driver was justified at this point in driving away, if it meant running over the biker blocking his path. Based on the video alone, I would say yes, he was justified in speeding off. I think he had reason to fear for his safety. So he takes off, runs over the biker trying to block him in, and the bikers chase him. When they eventually catch him, they attack the SUV, evidently dragging him out and violently assaulting him after the video cut off.
So, the bikers are a bunch of criminals and should be prosecuted, while the driver of the SUV did nothing wrong. It's too bad he didn't have a gun to defend himself.
"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."
Well, the guy in the suv thought he might possibly be in danger, so he RAN OVER a person paralyzing them, obviously the bikers should had called the police and not resorted to violence but this assaulted their friend with a 9000 lbs. weapon, it's called assault with a deadly weapon. You can just go kill or maim someone because you think there might be some chance of possible harm. If the bikers pulled a gun out, then hell yeah get the f*&k out of there, but that didn't happen, now someone is paralyzed. Call it what it is, an over reaction with tragic consequences.
Let me get this straight. You drive on a Sunday afternoon to relax with your wife and two year old daughter. About 200 RECKLESS motorcycles surround you and one of them deliberately slows down in front of you to the point where you hit them (biker's fault). The Range Rover stops and the bikers begin to slash the tires of the car and intimidate him with a mob mentality and in an effort to prevent what can happened you freak out (normal) and hit the gas. They then chase you to what probably would have happened in the beginning and beat you and slash your face up...
And people here are defending these biker animals???
If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...
..That so many here are sooooo scared and soooo against people who ride motorcycles.
These guys were NOT "Bikers"....(n)or members of a MC "gang".
THAT is what the MSM is "narrating".
Just because they weren't a bunch of "yuppies" out riding motorcycles....yeah, and the race-baiting is being done here also.
So here's some FACTS, so listen up.
1-It is a CRIME to flee the scene of a personal-injury motor vehicle accident.
2-You hit someone from behind? YOU are AT FAULT. You are supposed to maintain control of your vehicle at ALL TIMES.
3-After speeding off, the SUV driver is a criminal, subject to a "citizen's arrest". And don't tell me he didn't have a cell phone on him. He should have sat there and called a 911 operator.
4-The SUV driver committed an assault when he hit the 2nd "biker", and only compounded his woes. I don't weep for him. His actions were erratic and which leads me to believe he may have been high on "crack"...yes people have been arrested buying drugs with women and children in the car.
5-He's lucky I wasn't there...He's a coward.
6-Kudos to the NYPD, who have illustrated two things:
"There's never a cop around when you need one"...and:
"While a crime takes only seconds to occur, POLICE are minutes away".
Have a nice time down-voting this...all you arm-chair plastic-libertarians who lurk here suppressing free speech.
"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!
Take the motorcycles out of it. Say your with your family and a car swerves in front of you. The driver looks back and slams on the brakes. You rear end him. You stop. four or five other cars on the road stop at the same time and 7 or eight guys jump out and start approaching your vehicle. Are you reaching for your insurance card right now?
These guys were closing off the highway to do stunts. You can see that the road is clear and you can see the motorcycles that had been blocking the on-ramps further down.
They wanted to stop traffic and the SUV driver either didn't understand what was going on or didn't feel the need to obey.
The Cruz guy tried to force him to stop and the SUV driver wasn't quick enough to respond and rear ended him.
The SUV stops and all the motorcycles stop on cue, I assume they had radio communication, then a bunch get off their bikes and start approaching the SUV. At this point, I'm sure some of them were trying to diffuse the situation and some of them were looking for a fight.
Wether anyone would have acted or not, I'm guessing at least one of these guys was throwing out verbal threats. And do you see the masks some of these guys are wearing? The SUV driver's fight or flight mechanisms kicks in compounded by the fact that he had his wife and kid in the car.
In the subsequent chase the SUV driver could have taken out many more motorcycles. Just by swerving in the road a few times, he could have killed four or five of them with the chain reaction of crashes he would have caused.
We don't know wether the guy that got run over was trying to help or not. No one will ever know the truth except him. We do know that (according to the web) he had his license revoked in MA until 2017 for a series of reckless driving incidents. We can also watch the videos of how this group was driving that day. His group instigated the series of events that spiraled out of control. I'm sure he wasn't going to kill or paralyze the SUV driver so it's very unfortunate what happened to him.
Here you can see him slobbing on other troll account Granger's dick:
Who does ((((((this))))) to address someone by name? Seriously. Is english even your first language? Did you just list "He's lucky I wasn't there!" as a "FACT" that we should 'listen up' for? Oh boy, internet tough guy. What a f*cking loser you are.
Ignore this tool.
You OWS TROLL.
You must have your orders to target anyone expressing themselves freely....well this is the DP...not an OWS Strategy Session.
You know, the one where the anarchist/socialists plot to "steer" people in the "correct" direction.
The same way you and your OWS TROLL-Network are running amok at the DP?...Regular thought-police you guys are.
I've researched your posts also shithead.
Go back to your tent, loser.
He just neglected to stick around with his wife & kid to be beaten to death by the angry mob surrounding him (or so he may have believed).
down votes that I have had on this issue. I just listened to the recent interview posted today with Ron Paul, when he was asked a question about who was right, his response was "sometimes the minority can be correct and the majority wrong" I can see where the knee jerk reaction was to find fault with he stunt riders and they definitely contributed to the accident. That being said, the negligence lies with the SUV, for reasons you outlined above. Very possibly even criminal negligence.
I have personally taken, what I estimate to be well over 10,000 auto accident reports and have ridden motorcycles 40 years. So I have a perspective that's probably a little different than most here. I am not claiming to be an expert, just pointing out that I have some experience in auto insurance claims and motorcycles. I can assure you, that the insurance company that insures the SUV driver will be setting a reserve on this claim for the limits on the policy and will hope to settle for less.
I think most here are looking at this group of bikes as a "gang" evil doers, a "biker" club like the hells angels, they were stunt riders not out to rape and pillage the community. Were they a bunch of hooligans disobeying traffic laws? yes. Did the police know who they were? Yes. Did the police look the other way? Yes. Did anyone notice in the hour long video they did not pick up one police car? Anyone? In fact they were in NY last year, they applied for a permit this year and were turned down.
Now if anyone here on a libertarian site wants to discuss if we should have a law outlawing these so called "crotch rockets" it may be a good discussion. Most don't realize what these bikes are, they are capable of speeds over 200 MPH. The police in the city I live in have a strict order, if one flees don't pursue, you can't catch it anyway and all you will do is kill some kid or someone else. So, should we outlaw the high performance import motorcycles?
New York City SUV-Motorcyclists Incident
Should the driver of the black SUV be charged for driving through the crowd of bikers surrounding his car?
Yes he should be charged, he seriously injured a biker 7%
No he shouldn't be charged, he was being threatened 89%
Not sure 4%
Biker Arraigned In Manhattan Motorcycle Melee
Second Biker Released; Third Biker Still Being Sought
Interesting, it appears that the public at large is largely against any interest in helping the bikers.
Or maybe that was just a old CNN polling program contracted out to CBS?
the biker clearly instigated this. Driving erratically and as he is passing the driver you can see him turning his head to the man driving the car as if he was getting yelled at or yelling at the driver. He then pulls infront of him and hits his brakes or lets off the gas completely and gets hit. Probably tried to get hit cause he wanted a new bike from this guys insurance.
I agree with most of what you say. Yes the motorcyclists was acting like idiots, yes the SUV driver and motorcyclists were having a verbal confrontation. I don't believe this was about an insurance scam, it was more personal and spur of the moment. That being said the SUV driver bears the legal responsibility for hitting any vehicle from the rear. He also bears the legal responsibility for deliberately running over a motorcyclist that is now paralyzed and in a coma. That is called assault with a deadly weapon and if that man dies it will be called vehicular homicide. The man in the SUV crossed the line from a verbal confrontation to escalating it to aggravated assault or attempted murder. Saying "He made me do it" did not hold up when you were in school and it will not hold up in court,
the driver of the SUV was faaaar more patient than I would have been.
The rider intentionally stopped in the middle of the road in an effort to antagonize the motorist, establishing the "motorcycle gang" dominance, if you will. Perhaps the rider should have paid more attention in high school physics class...a 600 lbs scooter is no match for a 6,000 lbs Range Rover.
I guess these guys are all thinking "Road Warrior" is real?
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.
"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry
News Update on this sad event.
...and no one got hurt!
whats next whats next whats next whats next whats next whats next whats next whats next whats next whats next.
Standard 16 Round Mags in a Springfield Armory 4.5 XDS 40 cal pistol would be ideal. It's standard because the XDS 4.5 is designed to hold a standard capacity of 16 rounds per clip. Not the low capacity mags that only hold 10 rounds.
All the more reason this video PROVES that having magazines that hold that many rounds is preferable to not having as many. Along with carrying a spare mag or 2. That would sure go a long way of deterring these pieces of s$^t .... IMO
On the other hand, that SUV looks like the perfect weapon to use against those bikes. After all, I would surely NOT want to be involved in a situation where I was on a bike and a man behind the wheel of an SUV with his wife and kid wanted to knock me off the road...
Would that be called "car violence" ??? LOL
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...to fire a handgun while driving a vehicle. It's not safe. Until gun makers come out with a hands-free device for your firearm, you risk getting a ticket.
and a driver .. So I'll weigh in.
That driver stopped after he hit the biker. He probably wanted to help. (btw, that first biker is a moron.. what was he thinking?)
The reports say that the other motorcyclists were hitting the car and spiking the tires after he had stopped.
Now if I had my wife and 2 year old in my car at the moment.. I wouldn't feel too safe if they were f*ing pelting my car.
I totally understand that drivers POV.
I also understand the riders POV but they shouldn't have been pelting the car after he had stopped. i mean WTF. That first biker shouldn't have slowed down like that. All he had to do was keep the same speed and move on but he did what he did.
This so didn't have to happen.
The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.
- Calvin Coolidge
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