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SHOCKING: Gang of Bikers Terrorize Family in high-speed Chase

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Hi Rick. You're right, I was

Hi Rick.
You're right, I was looking at it from a physics point of view and under ideal circumstances I still think a Hayabusa could out stop a SUV with Kenny Roberts riding the Hayabusa and Dale Earnhardt driving the SUV. (assuming they are both alive and in good health) I was being more specific this time ;-)

I'm 58 and have been driving and riding since I was 16, I have never been in an accident on either with the exception of 2 Deer and a few on a circle track. I was thinking that if wearing an "I'm a Biker" t-shirt would keep people away I would wear one.

Now back to the video, did it look like the bike needed to slow down in front of the SUV? I would guess the driver was freaked out and might have been looking in his rear view mirror when this happened.
Don't forget about reaction times too, there is a lag between what you see and how long it takes to react. I would also guess that the driver did not want to hit the bike.

One of the bad things about the internet versus people sitting together and talking is it takes longer to clarify a point one is trying to make. I have a feeling you and I are in agreement about the video but I chose to talk about whether a bike can stop faster than a SUV and threw things off track.

Take care,

Sorry Greg,,,

Sorry Greg for being so sharp with you. One of the points I have been trying to make is that no matter how heated a verbal confrontation becomes, deliberately using a car as a deadly weapon, running over a man, paralyzing him and putting him in a coma is a criminal act. If he dies it will be vehicular homicide.Many here are trying to say that he got what he deserved. The same could be said for what was done to the driver after they caught him. We are a nation of laws and vigilante justice is wrong and criminal for both sides. I don't condone what either side did but the largest part of the wrong doing and damage was done by the SUV driver. I could accept his actions if...... if one of the motorcyclist brandished a weapon, which as best as I can tell from all of the videos did not happen. Yes the motorcyclist were acting like total idiots and worse but that does not deserve to be attacked with a deadly weapon (5000 lb SUV)
Whether or not a bike can stop faster than an SUV is unimportant because the law says if you hit someone from the rear you are automatically at fault. I learned that many years ago. A car stopped short in front of me and I hit him. I was charged with the accident and given a ticket for "Failure to maintain a proper distance" I have been very careful not to tailgate since that time. I don't like the law, I feel it is unfair but it is the law until it is changed. You are right the bike rider did not "need" to slow down in front of the SUV. But to need or not to need to do something does not legally justify what the SUV driver did, and that is the most important point. When I was younger (I am 61, riding since 15)I had a touch of occasional road rage so I completely understand how some people including myself would feel and react in that situation. But you have to be responsible and held accountable for what you do in this world. I would have a very hard time living with myself if because of my uncontroled emotions I paralyzed and put a man in a coma. I could not deny that I was legally and morally responsible for my actions and I would have to accept my punishment.
Sorry again for being so short and sarcastic with you, maybe the tooth that I broke eating popcorn was a factor but not an excuse.
Thanks for letting me vent


I have a Honda CBR 929 and I can say that...


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I did some research...

I did some research and it went both ways with no clear all time winner. I looked at many sources that conflicted with each other.It depended on too many factors like, what car and what bike, road conditions, vehicle conditions, driver/rider experience, age etc. Personally I would rather be on 4 wheels than my bike in a panic stop. More protection in a car if I do crash. I think most people would prefer to be in a car in a panic stop and or crash. I would rather trash the car and not myself and the bike. Ride safe and stay alive. Go Ron Paul!


My guess is that the driver

My guess is that the driver of the SUV may have started a confrontation with an exchange of words. My other guess is that the exchange may have had something to do with the safety of his family. Perhaps the cyclists were driving "in considerately".

My question is why the F would someone on a bike stop abruptly in front of another moving vehicle? With my family in the car...I would have ran every damn one of them over!



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Same Here

If my family were in the car with me I would have left a trail of carcasses behind me. The biker group became a mindless mob and deadly force would have been justified by the driver. After the initial accident the driver DID stop. Something obviously spooked him and he drove off in fear for his life. They had his plate number and only had to contact the police who would have caught up with the driver later. They took the law into their own hands and made things worse. (I owned and rode sport bikes, but I'm with the driver on this one).

The slowing down in front of the SUV

is messing with the SUV driver. It's like he's threatening the SUV driver with a sequence of events pretty much like what went down. It's about feeling a rush of power from scaring someone in a situation where they can't do anything about it because the gang of bikers would retaliate. Except he was stupid and slowed down too much.

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No matter how stupid the

No matter how stupid the driver in front of you is you must always be careful not to hit the back of someones car, same with motorcycles. He(guy that got hit) was basically slowing the SUV down, so the whole bike gang could get passed him and ride solo. They do it for safety because people clip bikers all the time.

Both did wrong, but you don't run someone over and speed off. The guy in the SUV deserved the retaliation. What if he killed that guy he ran over? Total ahole move.

You cannot change lanes within a specified distance

Or it's your fault.

"The cyclist was identified as Passaic, N.J. resident Christopher Cruz, 28 years old, and he was charged with reckless endangerment, reckless driving, menacing and endangering the welfare of a child, New York Police Department Commissioner Ray Kelly said."

I'm glad to hear that

Thanks for that report.


I bet he doesn't pull that stupid stunt again.

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the bikers started it and the guy had the right to defend himself and his family.

Another thought that came to mind, and could or could not be applicable here, is that due to the recent (successful) Bikers to DC event, perhaps this event here was a deliberate attempt to give bikers a bad name...

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I love it. Automobile 5, biker thugs 0.


I love how bikers still get labeled as thugs.... lol but not the guy in the SUV who RAN OVER a man on a bike.... He is probably a great guy when he isn't mowing over motorcyclists.

oh gosh

Zimmerman all over again... only this time the suggestion is that this guy was prejudice against motorcyclists so he decided to mow them down. Really lame. Dude, if a group of people surrounded me and my family, and tried to rip my door open, I would run over some mofos too, and I wouldn't feel the least bit guilty about it.

You're the one bringing up

You're the one bringing up zimmerman lol...

No, not prejudice just plain stupid.... You mean to tell me if you're in the car with your family and you're driving along the interstate and you see a big group of bikers basically trying to get ahead of the cars to run by themselves that you would do what this guy did? HE injured a guy, not the bikers and HE put his family in danger by his OWN actions.

Bikers were not right, but don't give me the whole ol' thugs were surrounding me so my family comes first garbage... He put his family in that situation by either not paying attention to the driver in front of him, or seeing him and deciding he wanted to retaliate and clip him. Either way it was his fault. Watch the road.


F*** THAT!

This guy full on hit someone and then ran over other riders!!

I Ride Sport Bikes too and was in an accident recently where a guy intentionally drove out in front of me and my bike is scrapped now! People are just f***ed in the head!


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Thats not what I saw. The

Thats not what I saw. The biker was acting like a clown and pulled right in front of his vehicle and hit the brakes and got hit. When the SUV ran over the BIKE not bikers he was surrounded and was fleeing for his life. What would you do if you were surrounded by dangerous thugs in your car with your family?

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"When the SUV ran over the

"When the SUV ran over the BIKE not bikers he was surrounded and was fleeing for his life" Yeah, and where did you get that from? The only person threatening someones life was the guy who ran a man over with his vehicle. Btw he clearly ran a guy over.

"surrounded by dangerous thugs in your car with your family?" Generalizing a whole group lol...

I swear sometimes this place reeks of more republican and less libertarian...

@ 3:20 You can see the BIKER he ran over laying on the ground


What if your wife was that rider on the ground???

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My wife

wouldn't be caught dead acting like these punks. Perhaps if they didn't try to take the law into their own hands and dispense biker gang justice he wouldn't have gotten run over.

I would not have played the victim as this SUV driver did. I would have turned and ran over the whole bunch.

How was the guy that got ran

How was the guy that got ran over acting like a punk? He stopped at the front of the group because there was an accident. Did he deserve to be ran over by an SUV?

He stopped in front

He stopped in front of the guy and when he was threatened that was his only avenue of escape. Unfortunately for him that's what he gets for thinking he can block in a SUV with his motorcycle.

Or I could just say "Birds of a feather."

With that comment, I think you're on the wrong site

You assume all people present were acting like Punks?

So they should have just let the guy take off while their friend's body just laid there?

So you'd just commit vehicular mass murder as an appropriate response?


I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around your thinking. Please Help.

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I'm talking about self defense.

ON the video evidence.

Regardless of how it started, it is apparent from the video that the bikers were running some sort of block on the SUV. They are obviously blocking all lanes and driving dangerously. For some reason this group within the group are getting in front of this guy and slowing down.

The biker that got hit didn't merely get in front and hit his brake. He accelerated and then engine braked to make the bike slow abruptly without the brake light illuminating. At least I don't see it. He was obviously antagonizing the SUV driver.

The SUV driver DID stop OR WAS stopped. Either way doesn't matter because when he did he was surrounded, which in itself is threatening, and apparently felt threatened when approached. It's not hard to tell when someone means you harm. We can just speculate as to what was happening beyond our view.

The second time he stopped was because the dumb ass biker stopped in front of some innocent vehicle who was in front of the SUV. That could have ended up badly. Again the SUV driver had the right to escape however he could.

In both cases, seeing that he was about to be assaulted he had no choice but to make his own exit and the bike who was running block was the only exit.

Now the bikers could have taken down the license plate and called the cops at any time and even followed but they decided to take matters into their own hands.

Most of the bikers either didn't chase or stopped chasing when they came to their senses. But the ones who followed him into the city and started assaulting were in the wrong.

When it became clear that there was no escape, the SUV driver had the absolute right to defend himself and his family. I tell you if it were me it would have been a smash up derby until my family was free from danger.

That is not murder. It is self defense.

I've been riding motorcycles for 36 years so please don't accuse me of bias or ignorance of the hazards of motorcycle riding.

The SUV was stopped...

then right before the SUV takes off over the bike you can see some jackass trying to jerk the driver's door open. I would flee too... any rational person would.

First, I wouldn't assume they were all "dangerous thugs"

just because they are riding in a group. Since I also ride sport bikes, perhaps that's a bias I don't automatically have.

Second, I would let the "thugs" know I have my wife and children in the car.

Third, I would immediately see if the rider I just hit was ok and I'd call the police.

I WOULD NOT flee the scene while plowing through a group of bikers, CAUSING more harm than I already did.

There was something that happened between the driver and the bikers before the biker got in front of his car and slowed down to be a jerk to the driver. Can't really conclude who started what. But from the video alone and the order in which things took place, that driver was an idiot.

I see people like this all the time in their fancy cars that think they are kings of the road and that bikers are just "thugs" like the guy who cut me off last month where I had to bail my bike so that I didn't t-bone his SUV and kill myself. He then took off just like this guy did but I got his plate # and that moment of "f*** this biker" cost him $4000 and a criminal charge.

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I watched the full helmet cam

I watched the full helmet cam video below after my previous comment and it looks like the SUV did stop once he hit the first biker in the beginning. What was exchanged between the two groups is not known and it is not known if threats were made against the driver. In any case, he was surrounded and feared for his family.

I used the term 'gang of thugs' becuase that is the perception created when you are surrounded by hostile individuals such as this situation. Its one thing to ride sports bikes with some friends, its another to ride dangerously as a large group and swarm around vehicles. The rider clearly cut in front of the SUV and hit the brakes while not paying attention.

I understand you perspective in dealing with a similar situation with an SUV. I agree that many people are unaware of their surroundings. Here in Utah we have a major problem with bikes getting hit (actually we have a driver problem but its amplified when bikes are involved due to the increased injuries)

The SUV should have stayed on the freeway and called the cops though and they could have at least mediated this instead of it escalating to the point it did.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.