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I'm at a loss about what to do about the Granger

After all, she's been here so long. User #408.

And let's face it, we're all here for one reason: We all supported Ron Paul for President. That is, and will always be, our forever bond - no matter where we go, or where we end up.

People are moving on their separate ways. Like dandelion seeds to the wind. I saw a guy wearing a t-shirt with a dinosaur on it, and the words, "All my friends are dead."

Sometimes I feel like that here. So many people have come through these doors at the DP. And then, they just disappear into the ether. But it was all they they ever were - parts of the ether. I never saw them, spoke with them, seen the idiosyncrasies of their movement or dress. No physical representation, aside from what I've crafted in my mind.

- - - - -
Remember '07? That will always be the highlight for me, because it was an original creation. So many things unfolded spontaneously, and beautifully. The Ron Paul Blimp remains a stellar achievement of that era. The Rudy Giuliani Game Changer.

Completely spontaneous. The Granger was there for '07.

2012 was so much more scripted. A template had been laid, and had to be followed. Everyone expected it. They even expected the blimp to be back. That's just suffocating.

Having to follow a script, I mean. Boring. Generally.

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The Daily Paul, also is in unchartered water. We have the scripts here - scripts of how we behave. It is boring. Predictable.

I'm done fighting with people. Nothing personal. Its just that 8 years of it takes its toll. I'm tired.

I don't want to come in here and see someone in a rage about their pet topic, mowing people down. I don't like seeing people reflexively downvoting people, just because of who they are. Then again, I was reminded (by The Granger) that I jumped on top of the pig pile at the end as well.

And so I did. Because I'm sick of the dogma.

I feel like I should ask her if she wants to come back and explain what happened. Because I don't get it. Somebody joked that the Granger was the only person ever to go from Ron Paul to being a neo-con.

I want to know what happened.

Granger, do you want to tell us?

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Yes, I do like black licorice. However:


"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

you're a savory sort of fellow

That would make a great telephone ring...


ring :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Glad you are back, and thanks Michael (((The Granger &Michael)))

for giving The Granger a 2nd Chance. We all need them now and then.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15


Thank you ((((((((((Libra_me))))))))))) I just started listening to this jam, if you like dead.. holloween 80

Welcome back

:) Like that Jerry Garcia quote.

Me too

(((((((((((Micha68)))))))))) Thank you. You can take the deadhead out of the dead, but you can't take the dead out of the deadhead. It was all a smoky haze I thought I knew long ago in some forgotten space... your eyes looked from your mother's face.. wildflower seed from the sand and stone.. the four winds brought me safely home.

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What can we argue about now?

I've got a few

Greenbackers and the truther connection
GOP value
What colors mean to who, why. and what about it.
((((((((((((Jill Booth)))))))))))))) Thank you
egg and spring roll tapping, and what fortune cookies are really trying to tell us. Is sweet and sour sauce actually food or a stolen recipe that enslaved nations to a rice cabal, and is CA part of that cabal?

Going to have to do some

research on these topics Granger.
Should be fun!!

She was a proto-tea party activist

When she became politically active she got closer to her local Republican group.I think she just left because she got sick of the Israel issue. Or if she was a fraud then I was a chump because I donated to make sure she could be a delegate. But I dont think so. Probably just a proto-tea party member snagged in early by the Ron Paul message of 'just cut it'.

while I couldn't join in the love fest--

for the country that can't be named--

I can see the huge character flaws in the countries I "like" (Iceland, Japan)--

I am not blind to the flaws of any country--

so I can't be patriotic to any country--

I appreciate the fact that Granger was trying to make a case for the fact that the U.N. was using every faction, every group of oligarchs to bring down the sovereign nations--

I don't agree with the details, and I am not anti-Muslim (or anti-Jew)--

but I think she may have a point about how those behind the U.N. who pull the strings do not care which countries they destroy or use--

or which mob of gangsters serves them--

they want destruction of all that is good--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Did someone get a dead cat in the mailbox?

Or maybe it's just a case of Yankee Doodle keep it up :(

Don't Assume They Are Gone

Judging by the volume of writing that was coming from the Granger account, it appears it was shared by a group of people. If so, they probably realized the brand was tainted (instantaneous auto-downvote), and have since started separate accounts through which they can promote their agenda.

That is my gut feeling...

Multiple people posting through Granger's account. Did you notice the dyslexia that came and went? Or the complete bi-polar change of pace and tactics? The Granger deployed every Troll tactic in the book, but as I said before, if it is just incredible mental illness that she is suffering from then I feel sorry for her, i do.

It just didn't quite feel that way though...

"I am Troll fighter, number one"



I agree...

..and while it's sad that it's come to this, one MUST take into account the fact that the JIDF exists, and that the country that must nit be named pays thousands of individuals to stalk the internet for the express purpose of attacking/misdirecting any criticism of the country that must not be named.

As long as they are dedicated to treating the truth as "anti-semetic" and the attacking the people calling out their lies/doublespeak and hypocrisy are their enemy, things will not change.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

Many DPaulers were just

Many DPaulers were just dishonest in their dealings with Gragner - and with some other members. People would downvote her as opposed to downvoting her comments.

Sometimes she stated facts that were easily verifiable (e.g. one of her comments: "Catholic means universal"). People downvoted this comment - why? - it is just a piece of information.

Some other people started calling her names. What for?? What was the purpose of that? You could see many mysoginist personalities expressing themselves.

I understand that at that point many comments came from pressure and an empathy for the people in Syria - a matter in which Gragner was in denial. But that is a different matter of being honest in up/downvoting.

Thank you for posting that.

I completely agree and this happens far too often. (Here come the downvotes :) ) - I personally have found gang-downvoting from the anti-semites to occur against those they perceive (rightly or wrongly) as pro-semitic or pro-Israel or anti-anti-zionist (very different from being pro-zionist).

They have a list and will gang-downvote anything from a person on that list, regardless of what it is.

I've counted approximately 12-14 people who belong to this group of gang downvoters. Perhaps there are more, perhaps there are less. Either way its very nasty.

downvoted >:(


You're right though, some people did downvote her for no other reason than the fact that she had an unpopular (on this site) POV, even when she wasn't being an abrasive, accusatory twit. The same thing happens to me (and everyone else at one point or another) whenever I don't join in on the latest conspiracy theory circlejerks or point out logical fallacies. I guess the herd mentality is inescapable to a degree.

Personally I always read heavily downvoted comments, because sometimes they contain an uncomfortable truth that some 'free-thinkers' would rather not hear.

All that said, toward 'the end', I saw Granger as the flip side of the coin in relation to the "blame Israel for everything" crowd. Not necessarily a good thing or bad thing IMO, but I don't have a dog in the hunt in either case.

A signature used to be here!


Someone down below coined it well: "an upvote is Love, a downvote is hate".

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

deacon's picture

while at times true

but not always,known liars get down voted here,there
is no hate about that,just facts,or the lack thereof
but some do down vote out of spite,hate, anger ect ect

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

But Deacon?

Would not the very same be displayed if they got "zero" votes? Would this not show total lack of support and in turn total lack of credibility? Too many "innocent" people are being unfairly judged and excommunicated with this feature. It is an open door for conspiracy and concerted malice.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

deacon's picture

well snap

appears to be more than one side to this coin :)
I agreed with both your comments,just added a bit more to expand horizons.
I sure got to learn more
I do not like the down vote feature, but there needs to be a way of stopping the known liars,It is not my job to route them out,I personally spent days trying to get another to SEE,only to find out they didn't want to,and didn't want me SEEING either,so to me,it is a tool,and the only here to use
I don' like the color deal either
some here think,you have to listen to me,as i have been here longer
or this lil ditty,your color means,you shouldn't be listened to yet,as I have been here longer
But what do I know,i get down voted for asking questions

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Thank you Deacon

I have to share a theory about the liars. I think that after awhile of no votes and no comments, being completely ignored will make them realize their program is not working and they will do one of two things. Start telling the truth or leave, probably leave most likely. Either way it's a win win situation but there will be no innocent victims either.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

deacon's picture

you are welcome

i have another theory about liars
there are ones who think that if they go unchecked,they are right
and they keep up with their lies,and it actually emboldens them
yes,some do become shrinking violets,for that I am grateful
You have a great day,and thanks for the time we chatted,made my day

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

You have a great evening also

I had another thought to consider, What if they "Count on" mass downvotes to justify that they are indeed striking nerves as a plan? Could all the downvotes be justifying their existence here? Troll job well done? Lol, it was just another thought. Have a great evening and thank you too my friend.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.


Interesting commentary on forum voting.

I vote for things that kick the liberty can down the road.

Vote down faulty information or obstacles to liberty, like lack of tolerance or personal attacks.

My votes are always, IMHO, for the content.

I guess that means, that my votes are never personal attacks.

Is my claim true? Well, for now on it will be.

Sent email, to authors.

Free includes debt-free!

Hi Paul.

No, you are a rare breed of Wisdom and Respect my friend. You are probably one of the few using it with integrity. I returned your email and am a bit curious what you think about the Dial Up idea? (Just had a thought, Did I send the right link? I will check, lol)

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Yeah, imagine a justice

Yeah, imagine a justice system where we are allowed to execute innocents without due process. It's barbaric and it's the reason we did away with such a system.

Naturally, this upvote/downvote doesn't come to the same level as the above, but all the same innocents suffer under this system, while the mob wins. It's a system that snuffs out freedom, because the innocent will no longer speak out and the guilty will have the loudest voice, because they have the numbers to suppress the voice of the innocents. I've seen numerous posts about longtime lurkers who have simply kept to the background and only come out of lurking when discussing these issues. That's a symptom of a broken system folks.

An angle I had not thought of, thank you.

Suppression, I am sure there are many that just don't feel safe to express themselves be it right or wrong because they fear the tool of the bullies.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.