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The Granger: Agenda Exposed In Private Email To Nystrom

MN and I sent each other an email that crossed in delivery two weeks after I stopped posting on DP. He wanted to know what was up with my name change and the personal statement I left. I sent him an email because I felt that he should know why I stopped posting was because of posts he had made about me to others that were unkind, and I took as my exit. When the owner of the site says, "if you were gone, you would not be missed." Take that as a queue, "it's time to go".

MN responded to my email and denied saying anything mean about me. I pointed out what he posted, and he admitted that he had said that I would not be missed because he had enough of the confrontations and complaints about me. I responded that it is not I, but the fact that I have made discoveries that converted me to being pro-a county that shall not me named, and that I had no idea that DP was anti- the country that shall not be mentioned on the DP. This is my email to ((((MN)))):

No ((((Michael)))) I am not implying that you, "can't express my own opinion on my own website because it has greater meaning?"

Are you denying that your own opinion, on your own website, does not have greater meaning?

It's a fact that your opinion on your web site has greater meaning. Your web site earns you respect because it is well-designed, very user friendly, especially for a dyslexic with poor vision (not a brain tumor). The lay out, the options, and the way it scrolls. It’s brilliant. I'm not a computer person, so maybe that doesn't mean much, except that as a long time user, I've enjoyed DP more than any other websites. THANK YOU FOR THAT. Anyways. It's natural for people to look up and respect owners. You have the power.

It was not the post where I agreed with McCain for once that caused down votes. It is my conversion to being PRO-ISRAEL. Maybe it sounds dumb, but I did not know your website was anti-Israel, and so I'm sorry to find out that it is, only because of the "headaches" I've caused you and the mods in my discovery.

DP is your bed, and I am happy that we are each happy with our own beds. Because I am very happy with my new bed, and I want you to enjoy that wonderful bed you made called the Daily P Au L just as much, which is a lot. So it's ALL-good!

Thank you very much for the education, and the opportunity to express myself freely for all these years before I found how AWESOME Israel is. I have many wonderful memories and blessing to count, and responsibilities I would have never had if not for your website.

I continue to lift you and yours in prayer, and also wish you the best, love, The Granger/ I LOVE ISRAEL<-crossed out, meaning that I am now banned because of my conversion to being PRO-ISRAEL AKA "belligerent" on DP.
....................................................End of email

Then I received an email saying the ban was lifted.

So, this is what I have to say about that tiny country that shall not be named on the DP: "Seek and you shall find". Seek crap and that little country will hand it to you in spades. If you are what you seek, then there you are. Seek God. Seek tech, seek LOVE, and seek PEACE. GOLD. That little country has the power to deliver dreams. I don't know why. Maybe that's where God comes in, beyond reason. A crib of faith, an eternal spring of hope. I see there are a few others on DP like me who have found something kind to say about that country, and now same pattern are being attacked.

It's easy to criticize the country that shall not be named. Some say they cannot criticize. There are 80 anti-that country youtubes to 1 pro- that country youtubes. You don't have to go any further than the UN to see global outrage. I think this is an important topic, but now, it's not even a word that can be said on DP because so many here HATE that country for varying reasons. I really had no idea, and I had no idea at the passion of the HATE. I found out.

I also found out who my favorite actress is. Hiam Abbass, a Palestinian woman who appears in many Palestinian movies (The Lemon Tree on YouTube is free. Great movie. The Syrian Bride about Golan Heights. Maybe some might watch a few Palestinian movies and get a human perspective. instead of UNMSM?

Finally, I'd like to THANK those on DP who stood for me because they did not take offense at my position, where others, some who were my friends that shut me down from the moment I emailed them youtubes I found that were pretty amazing about that country that shall not be named. I asked if one was a Jihadist they were so anti- that country. I definitely had no support for me to follow my heart with those who have nothing but HATE for that country, except for people who HATE, that country, IOWs, if you are from that country and hate that country, then you are ok because the bond is HATE. And to me.. DP was never about HATE. The down votes are HATE. And yeah, I've had enough of the complaints and I've read what many have said about me. I had no idea. And truth is, I like all of you, each of you for your own gift to DP. I'm sorry I offended you and that I was not more sensitive to your perspective. I'll be reporting from the CA convention and hope that DP is big enough community for ((((((((everyone)))))))))).

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Little girls

You all are acting like little whinny girls. Get over it and move on from this nonsense.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

Ok, let's end this thread with this comment

If we comment the soap opera continues.
She's got one more shot so why don't we take the logs off the fire, dowse the flames and let things dissipate.
The deal is between her and the guy with the on /off switch....

Can we agree to PLEASE move on....

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Unfortunately I see a lot of this lately

I have been seeing many claims of being a victim of persecution used as justification for killing over 600,000 followers of another faith.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

She quotes Jesus

But she must have forgotten that Jesus also said, "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight..." (John 18:36)

Israel has the power to deliver dreams?!? PLEASE!!! This sounds like idolatry to me.

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. - Patrick Henry

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That's right ladies and gentlemen, she told it

Does this have to concern me?

Maybe mental breakdowns are contagious, and should be quarantined.

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Anyway, I've banned a lot of people over the years. And every time, I make more enemies - on both sides.

In the end you have to do what is best for the community, and this is just really, not.

But I still like to give people a couple of swings.

I've waited to reserve judgement. I haven't read any of the comments.

This isn't a good start, but tomorrow she's reporting from the CA GOP Convention. She asked me if it would be ok if her first post was a fundraising plea to go to that. I told her I didn't think that was a good idea. (!!!)(?)

If she'd asked me about this, I would have said it was a bad idea, too. Then again, I don't want people asking me what they can and cannot post. I'll have to tell you the story about KC Jones.

Anyway, prognosis not too good. Sometimes a relationship gets so damaged that you just really want to move along.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

I apologise

I think it's another case of crossed emails and postings?

First, let me be clear here, I want what is best for you and DP community. You need to do what you want for you and I respect that. I have not been posting here for weeks.

We exchanged emails and I breifed you that I was going to the CA GOP FAll convention and made a simular fundraising announcement that was made when I went to the Spring convention, and asked you if that could be my first post, only because the thought was so out there, it made me laugh.. it still does, and I have no hard feelings that this is not the time, even though it is.. because my first meeting starts in 27 hours, and I have been preparing, with all the other stuff going on with the committee.. and have not had time to be on DP much or read all the posts.. and for all the "Granger".. it's not the "Granger", it's that spark I found and shared, which I agreed to not name, and I have not, nor have I named names. Really, I'm minding my business and thanked people here who stood up for me.

Anyways.. I made a post on your thread, and I guess you didn't see it when you sent me the email with this email posted, but I mistakenly took it as, what I had posted on your thread was not what you wanted from me. At the time you had not respended. So I posted this thinking the point was that I should represent myself, not ride your thread, after all, whatever anyone might think about any of this, I have never claimed to have pull with you, or represented you or DP.

You and I have several splits, one where I joined the GOP and what I've gone through/ Romney, Rand/ McConnell.. and my perspective since I found "the spark". You and the mods might not have agreed with me, but I was never in "the radar", until I was put into the radar by cluster downvotes and calling out.. When I come to DP I look for things to upvote. Some come to look for people to downvote.

I feel bad only that so many here seem to feel bad. Personally, with all the stuff going on with my committee, the audit, the position, the GOP state and national.. suddenly we're out of a half million debt, no questions asked? I have a lot of questions, and I would prefer to share these answers rather than all this carryover.

I'm also sorry that I shared my spark, because that seems to be what created all this outrage.. I read some pretty bad things about me.. but it doesn't bother me, not that I don't care, I care very much. I didn't know what a passionate subject it was.. If I knew, I wouldn't have ever brought it up.. I was sharing what I was learning.. some folks are not interested and I respect that.

I wish the personal greivances were not being made an open DP issue, because defending myself is not what I want to do on DP. Whatever you think is best for your webpage I will support you.

I apologise for not understand the past email. I thought you wanted me to post this letter.. maybe you can 403 it? I was happy with what I posted on your thread.. seems you were too.. I hope you understand.. I meant no offence and was trying to do right by you.

I don't know what more I can do to make things right.

She didn't ask you before posting your email? That's not

the way she told it when DP member, timely, called her out for it.

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3217006

Whoa! Was that another lie on top of the lie she told about me in that same post that made me so furious?

http://www.dailypaul.com/301081/the-granger-agenda-exposed-i...

There comes a time when we are no longer able to help the people we loved and have to just let them go and seek the professional help they need.

Sorry I gave you grief about other banned people, who I miss. I just wanted you to see the gravity of the situation of how far things have gone with her posts and comments and compared with the others, there really wasn't much hope for her. Even I hoped I was wrong about that.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Mr. N Its time for her to go.

Mr. N

Its time for her to go.

When people go from

Wounded dove, to Tyranny, sometimes in the same post.

Over and over. One must start thinking about helping them.

When we understand it was the objective. We must all learn from it.

Please move to Israel

Grange honestly, you have issues. Not saying we're all perfect because I know I'm not. But you need help. I suggest you move to Palestine and see how the other half lives. Oh but you can't because Israeli AUTHORITIES will most likely disallow such a move. Well try Israel itself. See if you like it. If you do... Please stay there and renounce your American citizenship. We have enough problems in the US. Think of it as helping the country you once loved like a high school sweetheart. One who is true to the Republic can have no other loyaties in the political sense.

Please leave.
Please move to Israel.
Please leave in peace.

GO GRANGER, and take this with you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q35Ir...

I'm sick of you fucking up america with your fake chickens.

Get it?

We have real chickens in America, and you will find people in Israel that have real chickens as well. They don't want to kill innocent people either.

I wish you well, if you are a person. If you are part of an effort to destroy my country, I pray for your lost soul, period.
Base

Everyone knows the Granger was Michael Nystrom's alter-ego...

foistered upon an unsuspecting public unwittingly exposed to this most nefarious of deleterious plots...

It was probably the pandas.

I thought you would behave

I thought you would behave for at least a week before you went off the rails again.

Nystrom must feel like the Judge in Huckleberry Finn after his mistaken attempt to help Pap reform his ways. I'll just copy and paste the whole scene for anyone who wants to read it, paraphrasing just doesn't do it justice.

"I borrowed three dollars from Judge Thatcher, and pap took it and got

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drunk, and went a-blowing around and cussing and whooping and carrying on; and he kept it up all over town, with a tin pan, till most midnight; then they jailed him, and next day they had him before court, and jailed him again for a week. But he said he was satisfied; said he was boss of his son, and he'd make it warm for him.

When he got out the new judge said he was a-going to make a man of him. So he took him to his own house, and dressed him up clean and nice, and had him to breakfast and dinner and supper with the family, and was just old pie to him, so to speak. And after supper he talked to him about temperance and such things till the old man cried, and said he'd been a fool, and fooled away his life; but now he was a-going to turn over a new leaf and be a man nobody wouldn't be ashamed of, and he hoped the judge would help him and not look down on him. The judge said he could hug him for them words; so he cried, and his wife she cried again; pap said he'd been a man that had always been misunderstood before, and the judge said he believed it. The old man said that what a man wanted that was down was sympathy, and the judge said it was so; so they cried again. And when it was bedtime the old man rose up and held out his hand, and says:

"Look at it, gentlemen and ladies all; take a-hold of it; shake it. There's a hand that was the hand of a hog; but it ain't so no more; it's the hand of a man that's started in on a new life, and'll die before he'll go back. You mark them words -- don't forget I said them. It's a clean hand now; shake it -- don't be afeard."

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So they shook it, one after the other, all around, and cried. The judge's wife she kissed it. Then the old man he signed a pledge -- made his mark. The judge said it was the holiest time on record, or something like that. Then they tucked the old man into a beautiful room, which was the spare room, and in the night some time he got powerful thirsty and clumb out on to the porch-roof and slid down a stanchion and traded his new coat for a jug of forty-rod, and clumb back again and had a good old time; and towards daylight he crawled out again, drunk as a fiddler, and rolled off the porch and broke his left arm in two places, and was most froze to death when somebody found him after sun-up. And when they come to look at that spare room they had to take soundings before they could navigate it.

The judge he felt kind of sore. He said he reckoned a body could reform the old man with a shotgun, maybe, but he didn't know no other way..."

The only difference is Pap wasn't a troll, and the chances are good Granger is. And a damn good one, never breaking character long.

I WORSHIP you! BILL3!

your vernacular. your non verbose way of getting to the heart of the matter!

YOU rock!!

In an exclusive interview,

In an exclusive interview, Israel said they would disclose their entire stockpile of nuclear weapons numbering in hundreds of warheads, and come clean to the IAEA and peace loving nations for enhanced safety measures.

Ron Paul's Greatest Moments


http://youtu.be/Q35IrNu5M5A

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Granger's Debate Coach?

Ben Stein calls Ron Paul an anti-semite:

http://youtu.be/pOV0qCW7nBA

To everyone who doesn't care

Stop commenting and this saga will fade away into the abyss. You are the ones bringing it to the front page.

Well said.

There are only Two reasons to comment.

1) to expose it (and that has been done)

2) to continue the education of those just waking up.

we need the trolls here, and Granger serves an absolutely distastefully example for them to congregate around.

It sucks, but it's real.

Michael is a smart guy.

Well, since there are 3

Well, since there are 3 'Active Forum Topics' with the term 'Granger' in it, and only one with the term 'Ron Paul'...I think I'll start posting some Ron Paul videos to help take people's minds off the drama...

http://youtu.be/C6drYuIRErY

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Thank God!

Great idea. I'm so tired of the personal drama going on.

Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

Israel is like almost anything else in life.

If you are looking for something bad you will surely find it. If you are looking for something good you'll find that too. Historically speaking Judaism has existed since long before either Christianity or Islam. If you want to take the issue of who was in the region of Palestine first seriously it is hard to deny a Jewish claim unless you can figure out who the philistines were, and who their descendants might be. It is also important to note that no state of Palestine has ever existed, nor was there any people who cloaked to be Palestinians before roughly 1930. Since the conquering of the area by Islam, and until the founding of modern Israel there was never any independent state in the area, to find such a period you have to go back thousands of years before Islam. Strangely enough that kingdom was Israel. Now, even since the diaspora Jews made up a significant portion of the population of the area, sometimes even an outright majority. It is pretty hard to argue that the Jewish people do not have a solid claim to the area. As for the Palestinians, most of them are descended from some tribe in the area, and/or one of the groups who has conquered the area since. Israeli Jews, and Palestinians are very ethnically similar. To say that one group is racist against the other is laughable. Certainly they are preemie iced, but not because of race, but rather by religion.

Now, fast forward to roughly 1900 when the idea of Zionism became a semi- big deal in Europe. From this time till World War Two no part of Israel was taken by any Jews from any Palestinians by force. Rather the land was legally purchased as much as ownership could be determined from the Palestinians. Over time as the Jewish population grew and the Muslim inhabitants remained poor enmity developed, and was stoked by Palestinian "leaders" needing a scapegoat. This lead to the inevitable attacks and counter raids that such rhetoric generally engenders. By ww2 the Jews were in roughly open rebellion against the British who were then controlling hype area, and who were also generally sympathetic to the Muslims who they determined to be a better fit for their policy aims. After ww2 we all know that the UN approved of seep rate states and war ensued which ended up with an independent Israel, and the Palestinian areas occupied by the neighboring Arab countries. It was not until 1967 that these areas largely became part of Israeli territory. At any rate I can find no evidence that the Jews ever FORCED any Arabs to leave their land, they are refugees of their own wars. When Arabs conquered a Jewish town the inhabitants were likely to be treated to a sword. Luckily for the Israelis this did not happen often Since they knew what surrender might mean anyway. With this history in mind I have no sympathy for the Palestinians, as far as I can tell they gave up what they have lost, and they blew their chance at a state by not demanding/organizing one in the 20 years between Israeli independence and the 1967 war. It seems they were content to be ruled by Arab kings rather than organize their state of Palestine.

All this being said, the US owes nothing to Israel. They should be treated like any other foreign power, I.e. We leave them Alone to their own ends as long as they do not interfere with us. Of course we probably should also let it be known we will not allow the Jewish people of Israel to be exterminated in the event they lose a war with their neighbors. Of course foreign aide to anyone should be off the table as it does no good for the people it is intended to help

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You said, "I can find no

You said, "I can find no evidence that Jews ever FORCED any Arabs to leave their land..."

Per Miko Peled, the grandson of one of Israel's founders and son of one of its most prominent generals:

"In 1948 the Jewish militia became the Israeli army but between the end of 1947 and the beginning of 1949 they destroyed close to 500 towns and villages and exiled close to 800,000 Palestinians who to this day are not permitted to return. So, it turns out that the creation of Israel had not, after all, been a haphazard fight in which the Arabs fled their homes due to the directives of their own leaders. It had been a systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing by the Jewish militia involving massacres, terrorism, and the wholesale looting of an entire nation."
http://mikopeled.com/category/the-generals-son-by-miko-peled/

He? is part of the failed movement.

http://www.dailypaul.com/user/53218

It's going to come apart, there is too much truth and failed economics for it to survive.

The trolls are here for a reason. We still have guns and guts.

Nice Post

I appreciated learning your considered viewpoint.

On Second Thought

[ As long as I need to fill in a double post any way.]

While I like the sentiment, I don't know what you mean when you say:

"... Of course we probably should also let it be known we will not allow the Jewish people of Israel to be exterminated in the event they lose a war with their neighbors..."

It sounds like red lines in the sand.

For Whom The Bell Tolls

Intervening international brigades should be assembled of individual courage and personal commitment, not a question of collectivist voting for 'humanitarian' so called public policy. Hemingway, and a number of his contemporaries, went to Spain as one on one partisans. The libertarian response to Guernica should be a matter personal and voluntary.

Whaaaaa

Someone call the waaaambulance...

and stop feeding the troll.

And

the beat goes on ....

The loyalty line shouldn't have to be drawn

for Americans, but it has been so blurred by loyalists to Israel, that US taxpayers wind up funding unnecessary wars and foreign aid to it and other countries which money gets sucked up for purposes that do not benefit us and even do harm to the cause of freedom.

If there is animus over the undue influence and power the ‘unnamed country’ wields over America, speaking for myself and others on this site who think similarly, the animus is not aimed at the good citizens of such country. Instead it is primarily directed toward the shadowy forces which when enabled by self-serving leadership, promotes covert agendas ergo 9/11, USS Liberty and other monstrous
deeds; such animus can similarly be said for the USA’s corrupt power and war mongers (aka neocons) which together with rogue factions, undermine the cause of liberty throughout the world.

The distinction between the internal evil forces of a country from that country’s citizenry cannot afford to be lost in the ether of race clouds which will rain ignorance upon the uninformed; this defocuses from the deeper issues and shields the people who perpetrate the dirty deeds on both sides of the globe. The way I
see it exposing the dirty deeds and the people behind them is the only way to let truth prevail. The only way we can do that is to dissipate the clouds, call the truth as we see it without fear of reprisal and allow the sun to melt people’s ignorance and prejudice with or without Granger.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere" Voltaire