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The Granger: Agenda Exposed In Private Email To Nystrom

MN and I sent each other an email that crossed in delivery two weeks after I stopped posting on DP. He wanted to know what was up with my name change and the personal statement I left. I sent him an email because I felt that he should know why I stopped posting was because of posts he had made about me to others that were unkind, and I took as my exit. When the owner of the site says, "if you were gone, you would not be missed." Take that as a queue, "it's time to go".

MN responded to my email and denied saying anything mean about me. I pointed out what he posted, and he admitted that he had said that I would not be missed because he had enough of the confrontations and complaints about me. I responded that it is not I, but the fact that I have made discoveries that converted me to being pro-a county that shall not me named, and that I had no idea that DP was anti- the country that shall not be mentioned on the DP. This is my email to ((((MN)))):

No ((((Michael)))) I am not implying that you, "can't express my own opinion on my own website because it has greater meaning?"

Are you denying that your own opinion, on your own website, does not have greater meaning?

It's a fact that your opinion on your web site has greater meaning. Your web site earns you respect because it is well-designed, very user friendly, especially for a dyslexic with poor vision (not a brain tumor). The lay out, the options, and the way it scrolls. It’s brilliant. I'm not a computer person, so maybe that doesn't mean much, except that as a long time user, I've enjoyed DP more than any other websites. THANK YOU FOR THAT. Anyways. It's natural for people to look up and respect owners. You have the power.

It was not the post where I agreed with McCain for once that caused down votes. It is my conversion to being PRO-ISRAEL. Maybe it sounds dumb, but I did not know your website was anti-Israel, and so I'm sorry to find out that it is, only because of the "headaches" I've caused you and the mods in my discovery.

DP is your bed, and I am happy that we are each happy with our own beds. Because I am very happy with my new bed, and I want you to enjoy that wonderful bed you made called the Daily P Au L just as much, which is a lot. So it's ALL-good!

Thank you very much for the education, and the opportunity to express myself freely for all these years before I found how AWESOME Israel is. I have many wonderful memories and blessing to count, and responsibilities I would have never had if not for your website.

I continue to lift you and yours in prayer, and also wish you the best, love, The Granger/ I LOVE ISRAEL<-crossed out, meaning that I am now banned because of my conversion to being PRO-ISRAEL AKA "belligerent" on DP.
....................................................End of email

Then I received an email saying the ban was lifted.

So, this is what I have to say about that tiny country that shall not be named on the DP: "Seek and you shall find". Seek crap and that little country will hand it to you in spades. If you are what you seek, then there you are. Seek God. Seek tech, seek LOVE, and seek PEACE. GOLD. That little country has the power to deliver dreams. I don't know why. Maybe that's where God comes in, beyond reason. A crib of faith, an eternal spring of hope. I see there are a few others on DP like me who have found something kind to say about that country, and now same pattern are being attacked.

It's easy to criticize the country that shall not be named. Some say they cannot criticize. There are 80 anti-that country youtubes to 1 pro- that country youtubes. You don't have to go any further than the UN to see global outrage. I think this is an important topic, but now, it's not even a word that can be said on DP because so many here HATE that country for varying reasons. I really had no idea, and I had no idea at the passion of the HATE. I found out.

I also found out who my favorite actress is. Hiam Abbass, a Palestinian woman who appears in many Palestinian movies (The Lemon Tree on YouTube is free. Great movie. The Syrian Bride about Golan Heights. Maybe some might watch a few Palestinian movies and get a human perspective. instead of UNMSM?

Finally, I'd like to THANK those on DP who stood for me because they did not take offense at my position, where others, some who were my friends that shut me down from the moment I emailed them youtubes I found that were pretty amazing about that country that shall not be named. I asked if one was a Jihadist they were so anti- that country. I definitely had no support for me to follow my heart with those who have nothing but HATE for that country, except for people who HATE, that country, IOWs, if you are from that country and hate that country, then you are ok because the bond is HATE. And to me.. DP was never about HATE. The down votes are HATE. And yeah, I've had enough of the complaints and I've read what many have said about me. I had no idea. And truth is, I like all of you, each of you for your own gift to DP. I'm sorry I offended you and that I was not more sensitive to your perspective. I'll be reporting from the CA convention and hope that DP is big enough community for ((((((((everyone)))))))))).

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Will Rogers said,“There are two theories to arguing with a woman

Neither works.”

I last recited this at my aunt’s 80th birthday party because my aunt is strong-willed like some other women on this site. (moi included so
I've been told, so no offense)

I don't know who you are or

I don't know who you are or what your agenda is, or lack thereof, and frankly I don't care either way.

But I do know this:

Airing private emails between you and owner of this site for the world to see is a line that should be crossed only when great injustices are being perpetrated against someone, and although I don't know MN personally, I couldn't imagine in a million years that he has purposefully or materially caused you harm. With that said, I've made up my own mind about you: that YOU are EXCEEDINGLY more interested in having discussions on this site about YOU and that you are nothing more than a distraction, much in the same way that Washington debating gay marriage is a distraction from the Federal Reserve.

I don't care what MN did or did not say about you not being missed on this site. I'll say it: lay off this attention whore nonsense OR don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Because you brought it up

It was suggested the the owner.. I said I would, and then, instead responded to the "I'm at a loss" post.. and this morning, I got an email from the owner reminding me that I said I would take the suggestion and post the letter.. So I made a post. Maybe the owner wanted you to see what he was dealing with by me? I don't know. Maybe he didn't see the post I made before the email? Telling me you don't care us a lie to yourself, otherwise why be mean?

I don't mean to be rude but...

who are you? what is the relevance of this post?




Bullshit Grange...

I don't think that the opinion of most people here is to "hate Israel".

The argument I have made is that Israel has too much influence on our government. I would make the same argument against Canada or Mexico if the facts warranted that...but they do not. So don't drop the hate bomb on us Grange because it is not true for the overwhelming majority of us. But whatever...

This is her MO

She champions extreme Israeli nationalism and Jewish supremacism, while simultaneously playing the race card and pretending to be a victim. It's an amazingly dishonest (or insane) stance, and infuriating to someone like myself who simply does not CARE about that particular patch of dirt in the Middle East and is sick of hearing about it.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Granger schmanger

Nystrom elsewhere lamented the decline in participation at the Daily Paul. If we want it to erode even more, let's make sure this pathetic Granger soap opera continues to dominate the discourse here. Friendships and associations come and go throughout every aspect of our lives--why is there disproportionate hand-wringing over this parting of ways?

As for Granger, her description of her philosophy says all we need to know. She's "PRO-ISRAEL." That implies, consistent with everything she posts here, that she simple-mindedly supports Israel no matter what Israel does.

Israel has used white phosphorous on civilians, killed protestors on an unarmed supply ship, turned Gaza in to the world's largest open-air prison, occupied stolen land for 46 years, coerced Ethiopian Jews into taking birth control, created separate highways for Jews, uses DNA tests to determine the racial purity of applicants for citizenship, lies about Iran's nuclear program, hired MEK terrorists to murder Iranian scientists...and no matter what else, Granger will be still pro-Israel. Why? "Because....IT'S ISRAEL!!! AND....I'M PRO-ISRAEL, SILLY! And since you oppose the policies of Israel, that makes you an anti-semite!!"

I think Nystrom was right in saying that, on balance, Granger wouldn't be missed. Nothing against her personally, but she's a person who's position cannot be swayed by facts. Difference of opinion is invigorating where both parties are acting in a sincere pursuit of the truth. It's maddening where one party traffics only in knee-jerk propaganda.

Is this soap opera week?


Just what I was thinking. I

Just what I was thinking. I got about 1 paragraph in and had to stop reading that mindless drivel of self importance.



For my part...

I was, and always have been, proud to call Granger a friend and fellow Ron Paul and Rand Paul supporter. While I do not always agree with her on what she has stated or posted, I always consider myself open-minded enough to consider what she is saying and to change my view if I am proven wrong on certain points. I also always try to post responses with civility and gentleness with everyone, even those who disagree with me.

As to the dispute being discussed, I was ashamed to see a lot of the hatred which was thrown at Granger in many of her posts and comments. If you disagree with one's opinion or statements, fine, state your disagreement. Many comments were indeed, just disagreements simply stated and left at that. However, I also saw a lot of comments which should have no place in a civil debate or discussion. Name-calling or attributing bad motives to a poster/member is never called for in an arena which, according to what I have observed, is supposed to foster free, intellectual debate and discussion and I saw it far more than I cared to see. I feel many of us should be exercising some self-discipline and self-restraint when stating our disagreements and so refrain from attaching absolute motives to anyone, whether in name-calling or in simply attributing motive. I am not calling for rules to be enforced from on high, but rather for all of us to exercise our own free will by taking a step back and reflecting on what we are saying before we say it and so exercising some self-restraint over ourselves so that the passions that are evoked from our beliefs do not cloud and degrade our responses to those we may disagree with.

I want to thank Granger for finding a place in her heart to forgive us and to return to this arena to discuss matters with us. I, for one, am glad to see her back. I also wish to extend a personal invitation to her to contact me privately through my website: http://subsidiaritytimes.com/ so that we may discuss other matters when needed. I also would love to hear more updates on the progress of Ron Paul's Revolution in California.

Thank you Granger, God Bless you and I hope to hear from you!

I'm a Professor, my name is Wall


I believe you meant to write "cue" instead of queue. A queue is a line of people; a cue is subtle signal to do something.


Where's the part about an agenda?



We haven't always agreed on everything...we even clashed in battle here at the DP.
Choose your battles wisely.
Keep an open mind.
Be yourself....and God Bless!


"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!


Between me and you (Get well soon from that bike fall.. I had NO idea.. I'm sorry to come to learn that you were not well.) I feel (I don't say that much) I feel like I was going along minding my own business, following my bliss, and my bliss is the hell of the earth for some.. I didn't expect this to go where it went or how far it has gone. I sometimes think I have a hard time seeing from being too close.. I'm getting ready to head out to the CA GOP fall convention.. the chair from my committee has resigned. I got a lot on the table.. I think my committee is being audited, I'm enjoying the government shut down.. Next month we may move to terminate the committee.. or we may step up as a liberty committee.. either way.. ((((((((((((Danton))))))))))))) You know the guy we argued about passed away? I ended up agreeing with you.. seems I have a way of stepping in in before smelling it.. THANK YOU for the stand up! (((((Be well))))))

Yeah We SURELY Argued

..Didn't we? LOL!
It was hard to deter you from your path of loyalty to a false agenda, although you were fervently committed by virtue of your loyalty to Ron Paul.

And it was through feverish, passionate debate, here at the DP that you became aware.
Imagine if the "troll-callers" had their way back then, and succeeded in burying or banning those who dissented.
ZshNinja called them out:
"THE THOUGHT POLICE"...He was banned, for other reasons and I do miss him to this day.
Many have forgotten...or weren't here at that time.
People need to be reminded..and educated.
Be Well...Godspeed to your "caucus"...and God Bless1

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I had to see for myself

Between you and RP4prez I couldn't get a grip on what Gilbert was talking about you kept trying to tell me and I couldn't get it, but when I got it.. I got it.. and despite all his threats.. well..

Thank you for the well wishes and blessings!

Just Remember This

...All the self-proclaimed-therapists here who have "diagnosed" your "condition" are no different than the Govt thugs who, using the pretext and accusation of mental illness, attempt to discredit their critics/opponents.
It's right out of the Commie playbook.
And they have targeted you....and any who dare to express support for an open forum here.
Whether "they" are NeoCon GOP operatives attempting to derail your attempt to change the GOP from within.....
....or OWS trolls intent upon infiltrating and disrupting this forum remains to be seen.
It was noted that during NYC's OWS "agenda meetings" that those with a different point of view were targeted.
I know that you're tough-stuff, but everyone has a breaking point.
Be careful...be kind to yourself...and don't forget to pray....
Pray for guidance...He will give it to you.
I'll be praying also. God Bless, and Godspeed.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!


There more to it ((((((Danton))))).. this is all because I began supporting that country that shall not be named in DP. I believe there are a lot of factions involved and my nick name has been used as a weapon and/or shield.. "a soft form of body snatching, or identity theft".. meanwhile, back on the ranch, and the GOP.. I have a ton of work to do.. Church is not happy with my passion for that country BTW.. I want to go there.. I want to plant 6 redwoods there.. the hippy community there is far more free than any hippy community dared to be.. and I live in one of the freest.. I don't want to move to that country, but I definately want to connect.. I LOVE positive energy and vibes, and I tapped into it, which is why I think it attracts so much darkness.. Thank you for being my friend when the time to make a stand appeared, there you are. THANK YOU!

Why does this self-serving

Why does this self-serving thread exist?

Ventura 2012


That country has hundreds of nukes they refuse to admit having, basically flipping off the whole world and saying "we don't have to play by the rules", they've blackmailed the planet with nuclear destruction if they ever "feel threatened", and are ethnic supremacists sucking America dry to the tune of $25 million a day. Their leader said America can dry up and blow away when they are done with us. They steal military secrets and sell them to our adversaries. They spy on us more than any other country.
They did 911.

It would seem to me that if you support that place, you're against America.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

why does she always use so many ((((((((parentheses)))))))))?

why does she always use so many ((((((((parentheses)))))))))?


It's an artistic recreation of Israels's (((((((((SEPARATION WALL)))))))))))


Just a



It's simply a (((((SHOUT OUT TO YA))))))

NOW do you understand?....Keep comin' back...lots to learn here.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

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And by the looks of it

it is in order of importance :)

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

This is American libertarian forums, Not Israels Got Talent

Why do we even have to keep mentioning it... it is a personal view about a separate country's jurisprudence, who cares.

Let's get Rand Paul in running shoes and stop showboating about nonsense.

I'm planning a campaign in local progressivehoods to get them towards one issue: legalize it. Rand is the solution.

What are you guys working on?

A true flower can not blossom without sunlight and a true man can not live without love.


"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

My best friend in high school was a Zionist Jew. I wept when I learned he died from cancer at age 57.

I miss him.

There is no such thing as a

There is no such thing as a "Zionist Jew". Your either one or the other as they have extreme ideological differences. For example, Jews believe in God, whereas Zionists are Atheist. Would you call a Christian that practices Zionism a "Zionist Christian"? No, because you can't have two faiths. Just like you would never refer to someone as a "Christian Jew" or a "Jewish Buddhist". You can refer to them as a JINO if you'd like. Jew in name only.