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My Take on the whole Granger matter.

I was, and always have been, proud to call Granger a friend and fellow Ron Paul and Rand Paul supporter. While I do not always agree with her on what she has stated or posted, I always consider myself open-minded enough to consider what she is saying and to change my view if I am proven wrong on certain points. I also always try to post responses with civility and gentleness with everyone, even those who disagree with me.

As to the dispute being discussed, I was ashamed to see a lot of the hatred which was thrown at Granger in many of her posts and comments. If you disagree with one's opinion or statements, fine, state your disagreement. Many comments were indeed, just disagreements simply stated and left at that. However, I also saw a lot of comments which should have no place in a civil debate or discussion. Name-calling or attributing bad motives to a poster/member is never called for in an arena which, according to what I have observed, is supposed to foster free, intellectual debate and discussion and I saw it far more than I cared to see. I feel many of us should be exercising some self-discipline and self-restraint when stating our disagreements and so refrain from attaching absolute motives to anyone, whether in name-calling or in simply attributing motive. I am not calling for rules to be enforced from on high, but rather for all of us to exercise our own free will by taking a step back and reflecting on what we are saying before we say it and so exercising some self-restraint over ourselves so that the passions that are evoked from our beliefs do not cloud and degrade our responses to those we may disagree with.

I want to thank Granger for finding a place in her heart to forgive us and to return to this arena to discuss matters with us. I, for one, am glad to see her back. I also wish to extend a personal invitation to her to contact me privately through my website: http://subsidiaritytimes.com/ so that we may discuss other matters when needed. I also would love to hear more updates on the progress of Ron Paul's Revolution in California.

Thank you Granger, God Bless you and I hope to hear from you!

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Thanks but I don't think we need a whole 'nother thread about

Thanks but I don't think we need a whole 'nother thread about this.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts



“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

incoming megaphonies

Netanyahu’s UN speech: Sounds like a sociopath?

Iranian missiles will hit New York in “three to four years”. A nuclear Iran is like “50 North Koreas”.

This could be the sound of a deranged, dangerous sociopath, or this could be the sound of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu addressing the UN General Assembly.

Compare for yourself. Last week we had Iranian President Hassan Rouhani calling for the world to surf a WAVE (as in World Against Violence and Extremism).

This week we had Bibi saying that was a “cynical” and “totally hypocritical honey trap”.

In the world according to Netanyahu, “Ahmadinejad was a wolf in wolf’s clothing. Rouhani is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.” Rouhani tried to present himself as “pious”, but he’s always been involved with “the terror state of Iran”. He’s like “a serial killer going to court dressed in clerical attire and giving testimony to his nature as an ‘ethical’ and ‘religious’ man.”

Ranting aside, Bibi did change his game. Now it’s not silly cartoons and begging the US to bomb Iran virtually on a weekly basis. Now it’s Iran’s “military nuclear program” that must be shut down – a program, by the way, that the alphabet soup of US intelligence agencies says does not exist.

And this after Netanyahu told US President Barack Obama to forget – forever - UN Security Council resolution 242, which determined total Israeli withdrawal from all lands occupied after the 1967 war.

What a bomb

So let’s get some things straight.

The state of Israel does not have any internationally recognized borders, and does not have an internationally recognized capital. It’s bound to be perpetually expanding.

Israel has disrespected no less than 69 UN Security Council resolutions and has been “protected” from no less than 29 more, courtesy of US vetoes.

It has been occupying sovereign territory of Lebanon and Syria without giving a damn to UN Security Council resolutions.

Israel signed the Oslo Accords promising to stop building for good, any new settlements in Palestine. Instead, it has built over 270 new settlements. This is part of the slow motion ethnic cleansing of Palestine over the past six decades. Israel has been threatening to bomb Iran on a weekly basis for at least three decades.

Israel is an undeclared nuclear power with as many as 400 nuclear warheads; refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT); bars international inspections; never ratified the Chemical Weapon Convention Treaty; used chemical weapons on Gaza; and holds an undeclared stockpile of chemical weapons larger than any other nation in the Middle East.

Iran, on the other hand, has no nuclear warheads. Iran has signed the NPT and is inspected on a regular basis. Iran has not invaded another country for at least 250 years. Iraq under Saddam Hussein invaded Iran in 1980, but Iran did not occupy Iraqi territory.

The Israel lobby in Washington and the US Congress imposed a financial blockade on Iran, which for all practical purposes is a declaration of war. This has led to a massive depreciation of the Iranian rial – with drastic consequences for the lives of ordinary Iranians. Yet in his meeting with Obama this Monday in Washington, Netanyahu not only asked for more sanctions; he said Israel will unilaterally attack Iran if Rouhani’s words are not followed by “action”.

continue at - http://www.a-w-i-p.com/index.php/2013/10/03/netanyahu-s-un-s...


We don't need more Grangers "getting involved", we need to pile-drive them into obscurity and ridicule. They are dangerous to the cause, subversive to the core. Who would trust anyone who supports that place?

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

(((((((((((Professor Wall)))))))

Thank yoiu for the very kind words!

I will be heading to Anaheim CA on Friday for the CA GOP Fall covention this weekend. I'm celebrating the government being shut down because the chair of my committee has resigned, the committee appears to be audited from 1994.. so I'm dealing with the Political Reform division of the sec of state and the CA fair political practices committee, and of course the state and national GOP.. I recently rewrote all the by laws so it adheared to the Constitution. But next month, I could terminate the committee, and then there's that NORCAL New state of Jefferson issue.. I would prefer to be talking about this issue at this time, but appears the issue I was talking about ruffled many feathers. Thank you for the support and the email address.. I will follow up with an email.

(((((((Professor Wall))))))))))

Glad to See Some Semblance

..of civility here.
These are all valid points and suggestions.
Kinda makes ya wonder if the anti-Granger crowd has coalesced in a conspiracy to un-seat her in the Republican Liberty Caucus and in the California GOP.
She's doing what Ron Paul told everyone to do:

I only wish her well.
I only wish we'd all stop being led by this "gang" of detractors, many of which haven't been here long enough to have ever debated Granger on any of the forums.....sheeple.

I may not agree with many of her beliefs, and WE HAVE debated here, but I'll stand for anyone's right to express their views.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Thank You

Thank You Danton. I agree with everything you said. We need to treat everybody with civility and understanding, even when we disagree, and we are all seeking to restore freedom to this nation so we should try to understand the differing opinions on certain issues while not compromising our principles or losing sight of the bigger goal: Freedom Restored in America.

I'm a Professor, my name is Wall

And Thank You

...for your posting and gracious comment.
I'm afraid I've ruffled some feathers here elsewhere in this posting, what the hell...ya do what ya gotta do.

And judging by my downvotes it seems that the self appointed "free-speech-denial-brigade" is feverishly at work here.

It's been said:
If you're takin' flak...ya must be over the target.

Hang in there Prof...good to see a voice of reason here.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!



MY take on the whole matter.

Stop talking about it!

You basically copied and pasted this from the comment you left on her attention seeking post.

It didn't need a post of its' own.

Drop it.

I already have her blocked

anyone know of a way I can block threads about her too? sheesh, enough already.

I'd rather have a bottle in front o' me than a frontal lobotomy


...That's right...just leave the DP.
You are a perfect example of:
an "Armchair-Plastic-Libertarian".

Like many here, you'd do well to:
Take the cotton out of your ears (blocking free speech), and..
Put it in your mouth.

The DP has always been a forum for free speech, no matter who is doing the talking....that is what it's all about.

The OP made many good observations, gave some real good suggestions.
Practice tolerance, my friend, that's another tenet many here have forgotten.
Say hello to Antone's Home of the Blues down there in Austin.
Do they still wear t-shirts that say "Keep Austin Weird"?
I always thought Austin was a very "tolerant" city.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

makes sense you would leave this comment,

you sound as unstable as Granger. Telling me off and calling me names, then giving a nice shout-out towards Austin and Antone's.You and Granger are peas in a pod. Austin is NOT tolerant...thats just the BS lie that all the little progressives try to convince themselves is true so they can feel superior to gay-hating racist republicans. The hatred for anything not Obama-centric is palpable.

Danton,go have a giant soda and relax. Oh...nevermind.

I'd rather have a bottle in front o' me than a frontal lobotomy

I might've Gotten another Tatoo

..and we'd sit around with you telling me stories about "Cliff"?
Oh well...guess that's outta the question at this point.

You certainly been around here long enough to know that ya gotta take Granger with a grain o' salt.
I just don't care to see someone gettin' their lumps non-stop from wannabe patriots doing a pig-pile on someone they haven't ever had a discussion with...good or bad.
And I apologize for the "armchair-Libertarian-remark".

BTW: make mine a Dewars...on the rocks.
And the OP?....he makes sense...ya gotta admit that.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

I don't believe that pil45

I don't believe that pil45 mentioned anything that suggested the OP didn't have a right to free speech.

Saying that annoying posts are annoying also falls under the free speech category.

No kidding.

No kidding.