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I hit my dad the other day...sad post

I sincerely live my life by the non aggression principle. I never hit anyone in my family. My dad is a war vet and a democrat.

The other day he was speaking to my grandmother about their government checks. they were relived due to the Shutdown.

My dad made a stupid comment: Its the Republicans! They should be thrown out in the real world with the poor people.

As a republican I interject. Its both parties, Democrats Republicans whats the difference.

He replied, Republicans are for the RICH!

I said, You think the democrats work for you?

Yes he shouts. Obama is doing everything he can, but the republicans wont let him.

The Debate started to heat up.

I left the conversation meanwhile He approaches me again and says you better take down that flag from your room (gadsden flag), I dont like it.

I simply said no.

Well when you leave for work I'm taking it down, he said. I replied - spoken like a true democrat.

The argument heats up again.

At some point, he rips the flag off my wall.

I try what ever I could to salvage it and in anger I punch him.

He was in shock, I was in remorse. Talk about a shitty day at work.

Came back home. apologized, and he forgave. We made plans to watch a movie... I picked World War Z.



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I would

have told your dad this.

"Look!! We are arguing and attacking one another. This is exactly what the Government wanted us to do"

DIVIDE AND CONQUER

A family fight over politics is like a Golden Ticket to them.

My first thought or question:

How old are you? Why are you still living under your parents' roof. My son is 33 and if he ever struck me in my home (or any where else) he would find his ass out in the street.
My son and I do not agree when it comes to politics but he doesn't live with me nor does he get violent with me.
I applaud you for standing up for what you believe but totally condemn you for striking a parent in anger.

Formerly rprevolutionist

First, there is

no such thing as "US" and "THEM" - the two party system is a lie - they both work for the same nefarious power.

Second, ask him if he has read this: Report: Pelosi Urges House Dems To Vote Against Funding For Veterans’ Benefits…

and what he thinks about it. Hmmm...

There is no real fight - the idea of getting father and son to argue is what their goal is. Divide and conquer. Don't let them suck you in.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

No, see heres the problem,

No, see heres the problem, you have to explain things and not let them get carried away.
Yes, democrats do side more with welfare and what not. But you should ask him how he would feel if he was still working and to have his hard earned money taken from him to give to other people who then spend it on things like junk food and big screen tvs.
There are plenty more examples to use some which are better than this, but this is an ok one.
Another thing to mention is that Americans give more to charity than any other nation. Imagine if we were not taxed so much just how much more people would give. I know for a fact that one of the owners(a member of founding family) of the food store Harris Teeter gives away a majority of his income to charity. If he wasnt taxed, that portion would go to charity.(I was working at a new store and he stopped by to make sure things were running well and was actually helping out, not just standing there watching)

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

It's crazy how someone

can trust and defend someone they don't even know, to speak with absolutes about their intentions without even meeting or speaking with them. It shows how powerful the propaganda is. They can divide people who, I assume, have similar value systems. They are con artists at the highest level. This is exactly what they want, to gain loyalty, but more importantly to create division so our focus is on hating each other instead of loving one another. a divided people cannot threaten their power structure.

I suggest, when getting into political "discussions", make your main focus leaving emotion out of it. Spend the time asking questions. try to get to the real source of the persons thoughts. Reply with reason and logic, or don't even reply at all. It sounds like he is deep into the fake reality of msm and the l vs r paradigm, so just aim for baby steps, try to get him to question some of the dogma. If you see a news article or a point that he might find some agreement with start their. Waking up can be a long process and its helpful to realize that we are all STILL in the process. NONE of us here including RP are fully awake.

Remember, you shouldn't get mad at someone for not knowing something you didn't know yesterday.

What happens when we put our trust in the state

instead of God and our families. We lose something very important and in the end we lose our dignity. Pray for your family, that you can meet your command to "honor them" and your father his command to not "agitate their children".

He has given us the answers.

Will we set pride aside and follow his infinite wisdom?

Don't let the state become a wedge between your parents.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

Your dad sounds like the

Your dad sounds like the typical left/right paradigm idiot that has fallen for the establishments propaganda. Instead of punching him, you should peacefully informed him of reality. You could have also pointed out that the establishment has made him an entitlement slave.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

Michael Nystrom's picture

That is very sad

What I find the most sad is that the media created left/right paradigm reaches right in to the structure of the family.

And we end up caring more about our so called chosen "principles" than love. Oh! The GOP and their fake agenda is more important than my own dad!

Again I ask: Principles or Love?

- - - -

I'm not blaming you. Just agreeing with you. It is shitty all around.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Good for you, your dad sounds

Good for you, your dad sounds like a pvssy

Ventura 2012

I've read other accounts

I've read other accounts about kids turning their parents around on politics to see the light. Usually it is not accomplished with a full frontal assault. You need to lay truth bombs with documentaries and little observations. A bit of sarcastic wit can help if carefully planted in conversations. Maybe use the socratic method...Why did your healthcare premium suddenly raise...I thought obombyacare would be free? Look at this article of kids killed with drones overseas...I don't get why the Nobel Peace winner drones innocents...why is that? I'm looking for evidence that Syria was actually responsible for the gas attacks on civilians...I can't find that evidence, can you?

i think you and your dad had

i think you and your dad had a trully human moment, one that trully and completely obliterates the bullshit concerns, in this case, party allegience, at least i hope, and i hope, i really do, that it makes you guys closer, maybe not imediatly, but perhaps, eventually, and eventually :), i hope :), your dad will one day say, "boy, where would we be, if we didnt have those sites back in the day, where no nononsence folk found one another"....well, maybe thats to much, and maybe its not

Hope you and your dad will find that one day, hope everyone and everyone, will find that one day

My parents are libertarian

My parents are libertarian and I still have difficulty getting along with them. I think it's biological, or maybe it's just the amount of time spent with them during early life, but either way, living with parents is not a long-term sustainable situation. I would advise moving out asap.

When I was 20....

...similar incident...left home over it.
This song still puts a tear in my eye, but it put things into perspective....then and many years later.
It's been said that Tom Rush wouldn't perform this song for many years; it wasn't easy for him and stirred many memories up again.
Here it is; hope this helps.

http://youtu.be/8Dx6Zdx2AJ4

P.S.
It all worked out years later, and Dad & I got really close....
...I do miss him...he passed away in 2005.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

+1

Beautiful song, beautiful voice. I hadn't heard of him before but went on to listen to a few more. Thanks for sharing it, Danton; it put a tear in my eye as well.

Thank You lida ricky

To know that this song touched another heart made my day.
To see Tom perform in person is a real treat, glad to have turned you on to him.
I hope "freedom468" will view it and realize that this is just a bump in the road of life...He may never change his Dad's way of thinking, but he might use the power of example to "win" him over, even if in only a small way.
Certainly not an easy task for sure.
The "Serenity Prayer" would really help in this case.
"To accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference"

God Bless!

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Eats more popcorn.

nomnom

LOL!

I was doin' Milk Duds!

Don't let the "evil ones" divide your family

Your parents aren't going to change.
You aren't going to change.

No point in arguing.
All you can do is live your life in a way that lives up to YOUR principles and beliefs......... love your parents and honor them.......

and (I would suggest)... get your own place!!!!

If your parents are living in YOUR place.... then you have a different problem which will require much more patience, love, and self control.

Isn't building character fun???? !!!!

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

How about getting your own

How about getting your own place and not living with your parents?

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

Maybe they can't?

Not everyone is in the same living/financial situation.

I have friends who are in their 20s-30s and still live at home. Some for valid reasons (taking care of ill parents, or both them and their parents are struggling financially) some are in college and are paying for it out of pocket...and some just want to smoke weed and play Xbox all day. On the flip side, some moved out as soon as they hit 18...and quickly got themselves deep into debt when they didn't have to. Also, in some cultures, even within the U.S., several generations living together is common.

Without knowing such details, it's not really not anyone's place to tell others what they should be doing.

A signature used to be here!

It's 1984 Vs Brave New World.

It's 1984 Vs Brave New World. It's Totalitarian Feudalism Vs Totalitarian Marxism. It's Republican Vs Democrat. Take your pick their all the same bad choice. I like the third choice, the Liberty guys.

Vet

He probably respects you more for it. Though I do not recommend doing it again lol

As long it was not from behind >:

donvino

Don't talk politics with the ones you love

That is, after trying once or twice, and realizing it is hopeless, just keeps politics out of the equation. Just love them.

Also, while I understand your anger, you need to work on this. You should never succumb to this and throw the first punch. It is hard, but nothing will server you better in life than learning to remain calm in a tense situation. I would make this a priority, if I were you. Peace be with you.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Tell your dad this... There

Tell your dad this...

There is no left verses right.
There is only tyranny verses liberty.

Then give him a hug.

Shouldve watched "V for

Shouldve watched "V for Vendetta".

These are the joys of life.

Like father like son you both stick to your principles. I'm glad you guys worked it out. Great movie pick! Love that movie except for the u.n bias ness. Hollywood movies go figure.

Love your father

It is sad. In my youth, my stepfather and I exchanged blows. He went to get a pistol and I dashed out of the house like any world class sprinter. The scene broke my mother's heart, and I was never the same after that.

Nevertheless, we made amends and we realized that we were both men, full of our own faults, passions, and ideas. He was a Democrat. I was a Republican. It only took me a few years, though, before I realized how much the Democratic and Republican parties behave more similarly than not. I doubt that he ever grasped that.

All I can say is, be your own man. Live in your own place where you can fly that Gadsden flag. Show your father by your actions that you are a free and capable individual, and maybe even a happy one, if you're lucky. I think that if your father can see you as an individual with his own mind, taking care of himself and not depending on government, maybe he will realize that he raised a strong and resourceful son, and for that he can be proud.

God bless you and your father. God blessed me, and I sure hope those blessings keep going out to people like us.

This sadly what Obama's

This sadly what Obama's divisiness has highlighted. I truly think he intends to whip us into civil war.

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You're both powerless to do anything

You're both powerless to do anything politically. Neither one of you could change the Federal Government in even the most insignificant way. You couldn't raise minimum wage one penny or make one less bullet be shot in our wars.

So this said, keep your debates cheerful, curious and respectful. Beyond your personal morality and ethics (not to understate the importance of that ) debating politics is really just a hobby in the end.

The first ten or so podcasts from www.freedomainradio.com are magically calming in this regard. I highly recommend them if you are prone to heated and angry political debates. You'll never want to have another one again.

Although the anger was probably really brought on with him screwing with your property. Perhaps one of you should leave (it's not clear if you house your father or if he houses you)

(Random advice from a stranger on the Internet)

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

Depending on relationship with reality....

If your dad deals with real responsibility, real competition, and real people on a regular basis, you can probably just inundate him with good info and eventually he will convert himself.

If he's a spoiled, insulated, self-righteous, self-centered, emotionally stunted baby boomer or baby boomer-like creature, your best bet is to sever ties.