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Rand Paul Hot Mic


http://youtu.be/eziI4h3J0Eg

Rand Paul caught on hot mic (did he know he was being recorded / was this a bit of strategy?) discussing Republican strategy with Mitch McConnell...

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/mitch-mcconnell-rand-p...

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Well Obama care is incredibly stupid

so your choice selfish or stupid :)

but all joking aside this isn't an issue of selfishness in my opinion. This is an issue of tyranny. Obama care is tyranny. The more we find out the worse it gets. and who knows how much more is in there...

also remember this quote:

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

If I'm in debt $100,000 and

If I'm in debt $100,000 and the debtor agrees to waive $50,000, I'm not going to say, "Nope, either waive the whole debt or waive non at all. I refuse to compromise."

We live in a world where not everybody agrees. You and I think ObamaCare is tyranny, half of America thinks it is their savior. We are right, but that doesn't change reality. The Democrats simply will not sign off on a full defunding of ObamaCare. They simply won't do it. So would we rather get something out of it or nothing? Those are the only two choices, like it or not.

True. I won't deny that

if somehow a compromise would could make this slightly better, then it would beat the what we have now, but...

1. I don't trust the republicans to be able to successfully accomplish that. but if they do...

2. for how long? the big thing on this is getting the framework in, then they can change it up all they want. Look at the FED, look at the EPA, look at FEMA, look at pretty much all the alphabet agencies, they all start out as a noble plan.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY. If we keep compromising we'll never get any better, its like arguing that instead of increasing the debt $3.5T we will only increase it $3T and somehow that is "shrinking the debt. So if we keep compromising the end is the same total tyranny... Meaning that if we want to prevent that we need to, at some point say NO! Where is that point for you? If not Obamacare, when?

may I remind you:
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - AU-H2O

Using personal debt liability...

Using personal debt liability is a bad analogy. This is self responsibility and there was no compromise when you agreed (you had a choice) to sign the contract. If you had doubts if you could pay it or not then you should not have signed it. This is what we should have done with this too. We should have stuck to principles, read it, nipped it in the bud and refused to allow them to pass it. Then we would never have been put in the position of "compromise" later on like now. Now the only way to fix it is to make it an all or nothing situation.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

"Should have" isn't part of

"Should have" isn't part of reality, though, unfortunately.

For the record, it is an analogy, not a comparison. In my opinion it's decent at that. I do understand the difference between these matters, but do you honestly think the democrats would just give in if Repubs said "we won't fund government unless you completely repeal obamacare"? I just can't even fathom what kind of experiences might have lead you to such a belief.

Nothing is beyond repeal, and I am not saying they should accept a compromise and just leave it at that, they should keep pursuing it. But take what you can get out of this.

Honestly I don't even know what to think though, because the whole thing's orchestrated, both sides have strings being pulled, it's not real. So I don't even know if there's logic to it at all.

You are correct

Because they are ALL crooked, They will fold and compromise, but if it were put to us, the people that those fools work for, and could vote on it, it would be repealed in a heartbeat with no compromise. I think what you might be missing is that we do not need to pass a spending bill. Let it go for 6 months and this Country would be better off. THEY want it but WE don't need it. So yes I hope they stick to their guns and not compromise.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Really?

Compromising for the last 200 years is why this Country is so screwed up right now. I like you but this statement just threw up a huge red flag for me.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

By The Comments At Huffington Post

You'd think they were discussing something quite nefarious.

"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

of course...

to that side, it will seem obvious that the republicans are playing politics and trying to control a national narrative to paint their political opponents in a negative light. as if the top democratic brass doesn't have a highly-scrutinized, spin-laden script valued more for its ability to damage political opponents than for its veracity.

whole thing is a joke; i suppose you just have to try to find the humor in it.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

I don't quite see the point

I don't quite see the point of this. Is this supposed to be a scandal?

No...

I think it's just something that people are going to be talking about at a time when every soundbit out of DC is put under a microscope.

Personally, I think that when someone approaches a man with a mic in front of a TV camera, he has to at least acknowledge the possibility that his comments will be recorded. Who knows if he ins't trying to subtly shift the narrative in such a way as to divert some blame towards the folks that don't want to compromise.

I don't particularly care for politics or the blame game presently underway; I merely find the theater of it all to be an entertaining guilty pleasure. I figured others might enjoy this as well.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

It's better than most made

It's better than most made for TV dramas!

Heck yeah

it is!

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