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OBAMACARE Pales In Comparison To How The Amish Pay For Healthcare

Now THIS is how we should have been handling healthcare from the beginning. Taking responsibility for ourselves, negotiating prices so costs actually go down, working with the community to help others. Forget all the talk about how Obamacare opponents would rather people just die in the street. THIS is what we should be promoting!!

This really is a brief "how-to." The Amish aren't rich like the stereotypical corporate CEO, but are successfully dealing with hospitals we all go to and current prices that is the crux of the problem. We should really use them as an example of how the free-market works for the little guy outside of the propaganda that it's set up just for the rich to leach off the poor.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-struggles-health-reform-amish-own-wa...

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I think we all just need to

I think we all just need to admit how awesome the Amish are.

"The Amish aren't rich by any means"? Not true

The Amish are very financially focused and conscious.
They are savers
They don't piss money away
They are frugal in the sense that they make due and make things they need
They buy at weekly auctions
They buy certain things in bulk
And they always "have the money"
There are many Amish millionaires. They just don't look like it.
I know because I spent four years selling almost 100% exclusively to Amish businesses. And if you do good by one of them they refer you to close knit networks of Amish & Mennonite all over America.

I second this. You have true knowledge of the Amish.

Their wealth is tied up in non-liquid assets, primarily farmland, secondarily in improvements to real estate and livestock.

Although, thye have low taxable income, they conduct many transactions with tax avoidance consequences.

Unfortunately, due to the overcrowding in my county in Indiana, farms have decreased in size from 160 acres in 1970's to the point that some Amish have only 3 acres and the man works on a construction crew or at a factory. I have recently seen Amish in Wal-Mart buying milk.

I know Amish families that have huge medical bills so

their form of medical sharing is critical and it has saved many a family farm. Ironic since they live so close to the natural earth.

Amish suffer genetic problems for a few reasons:

Small founding groups-individual Amish communities typically originate from relatively few families. Almost all of the Amish in Lancaster County, for example, originated from a few dozen 18th-century immigrant families.
Genetic isolation-converts to the Amish have been rare, and Amish only marry other Amish. This practice of endogamy, with few new bloodlines entering the population, has led to limited variation of genes.
These two factors combine to create a “founder effect”. A founder effect means that genetic variation is lost over time due to a limited number of founding individuals. Certain recessive traits found in a small founding population are amplified in future generations.

Amish face a particular challenge. The Amish way of life and culture, requiring members to restrict use of technology, live in a generally austere manner, and master a specific dialect for worship and day-to-day communication, makes it particularly difficult for non-Amish to join the Amish church.

http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-have-genetic-disorders/

Amish in my county can't have bicycles/ tricyles.

Pnuematic tires are a sin in my county. Although a group broke off from the old order Amish to move two counties away to the north and formed the "Compressed Air Amish". Pnuematic tires are allowed as are non dark brown driving horses.

I'm still trying to figure out those Amish I saw two counties to the east with horse and buggy, the entire family dressed in pure black and the man having locks.

Obamacare is a piece of siht

Obamacare is a piece of siht legislation that enslaves and bankrupts the people.

I'm confused, are you for it

I'm confused, are you for it or against it? lol ;)

:)

Bump

Amish are healthy, down-to-earth people (atleast from what I've read and seen). The need for medical expense should really be small with reduced stress and environmental toxins by living close to the land and sustainably.

I think their model is not communism but actually like Subsidiarity (voluntary groups doing the best for the overall good), which is totally consistent with liberty and freedom :)

Amish suffer from diseases that are unique to

closed communities because they inter-marry.

Amish suffer genetic problems for a few reasons:

Small founding groups-individual Amish communities typically originate from relatively few families. Almost all of the Amish in Lancaster County, for example, originated from a few dozen 18th-century immigrant families.
Genetic isolation-converts to the Amish have been rare, and Amish only marry other Amish. This practice of endogamy, with few new bloodlines entering the population, has led to limited variation of genes.
These two factors combine to create a “founder effect”. A founder effect means that genetic variation is lost over time due to a limited number of founding individuals. Certain recessive traits found in a small founding population are amplified in future generations.

Amish face a particular challenge. The Amish way of life and culture, requiring members to restrict use of technology, live in a generally austere manner, and master a specific dialect for worship and day-to-day communication, makes it particularly difficult for non-Amish to join the Amish church.

http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-have-genetic-disorders/

I understand. In traditional

I understand.

In traditional communities, even back in India, consanguineous marriage (couple who have common grand-parent(s)) has caused so much birth-defects in babies. While I appreciated the close-to-earth living style of the Amish, I am in no way appreciating or evaluating their intra-marriage style.

Life-style/stress diseases such as diabetes, heart-disease, cancer etc.. should be historically low in such communities. But genetic defects might be high.

One interesting point to ponder is, Whether consanguinity was/is always part of Traditional societies? And if so, are traditional societies completely wrong and un-natural since consanguinity actually doesn't make any evolutionary sense.

Es ist im Blut. (It is in the blood)

The Amish are painfully aware of the narrow genetic pool and the resulting genetic defects which are becoming more common. They have an extraordinarily high rate of birth defects, physically handicapped people, Down's syndrome, dwarves, idiots and geniuses.

In my county, it has been silently encouraged since the 1970's that single Amish girls 16 to 22 years old get with English boys to get pregnant, then marry a man from the church. The recessive gene problem seems to be getting worse despite these New Blood Firstborns, probably because of the very high birth rate among the Amish.

I have known of one first cousin marriage (illegal in my state) and many second cousin marriages and even double second cousin marriages.

Seriously

you expect people to believe that AMISH people are giving their virgin daughters over to get impregnated by some random person then as soon as they are pregnant get them married off?

This is a group of people who often wont associate with other Amish because the other group is more worldly than they are.

I can see them marrying off their girls to amish in other communities but I can not imagine anyone doing to their daughters what you suggest the amash do to theirs. This sounds like local gossip from the middle schools who will tell you they slept with every girl they ever met, or a hollywood movie script. I am in no way saying that all amish are perfect I am saying I can not imagine any parent doing this to their child.

It's true, I was going to post about it earlier

My Uncle grew up in Amish country and explained their unusual "Courting" rituals, lol. He said "it was great!" lol.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Wanderlust

Before they join the Church, they finish school at 13 or 14. From about 16 to 22 they are encouraged to "sow their wild oats", "get it out of your system". The parents, Church and their society encourage exploration into the outside world.

Around age 22, men and women are strongly encouraged to "settle down", join the Church and get married.

In 1980 and again in 2004, I was treated very well when picking up young Amish woman in a car at their houses. Even though I tried my best to donate new genes to the severely inbred Amish line, I probably failed the task.

I have an aunt and uncle who lived in MI, but far from any Amish. They were fascinated by the Amish culture. They were however shocked about all the drinking, promiscuity and drug use, even meth among the young ones that I told them about.

I got a buddy

why used to be an amish. Last name is schlabac. His group does not do the wonderlust and according to him most amish dont. He became a baptist so he is no longer part of the family but he is still in contact with his family but his family doesnt let him spend time alone with his brothers.

Part of the problem with the amish communities is that the young people leave in droves. Most dont go wild (although some obviously do), but they all bring their culture with them. As I said my buddy is now a baptist but everyone refers to him as an amish. Its like that show about the amish people who are no longer amish, some have been out of the community for decades but everyone still refers to them as amish. Its not fair to call them amish when they have rejected that way of life.

That said, every time a man has told me about his sex life, they have lied so I will assume its the same with you.

I love how you just included

I love how you just included geniuses in with Down syndrome, dwarves, and all the other defects. Not far from the truth.

the comments are strange

apparently because the amish work together they are a bunch of commies? I would imagine the people suggesting this are over looking the fact that the amish own their own land, and are not forced to help each other, but want to help each other. Its called charity not communism.

Well said

I hope you posted your comment to the article comment section.

Rumspringa

The Amish are a perfect example of a voluntary community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa

We need to follow this

We need to follow this example. This is the only solution that really works for people. Insurance method always increases costs and reduces services.

I have lived amongst the Amish my entire life.

Their system of self reliance is repected by me. Their anarchist system goes beyond healthcare as the Church elders settle legal matters. The Church provides for the disabled, the unemployed and aged as well as functioning as a banking institution.

The article failed to mention the demand side of healthcare. Of the hundreds of Amish that I know, none take any prescription drug long term. I have never seen Amish in our nursing homes which is amazing considering the large percentage of physical and mental defects in the sect, a result of generations of inbreeding.

It is a good example of healthcare being paid from small voluntary groups, where the members will self restrict their use of goods and services.

Self-reliance and charitable

Self-reliance and charitable acts are all well and good. It's an insular religious sect. Any time religion takes precedence over logic or scientific reasoning, I'll say "no thanks."

'Scientific reasoning',

'Scientific reasoning', that's a nice 'modern' euphemism for dogma. It's amusing to me how many people hide behind the 'scientific reasoning' security blanket thinking that they're somehow now wiser than everyone else

I encourage you to study history, even recent history, to see just how dogmatic scientists are, it's sad really, to learn about how many people were killed because the scientific crowd was so sure of itself, same as you are now. If you think you're somehow more open-minded in this way, you've already closed your mind by default and become a hypocrite.

We're all human and we err no matter how intelligent one thinks of themselves as being or what school(s) of thought they follow, 'science' included because it's still short-sighted and biased

Science and the associated

Science and the associated theories can be challenged and tested. Religion fails that challenge. Thus, science is not dogma.

i love the amish.

they are real people.

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.