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Shutdown = Paid Vacation For Government Employees

Tell your Congressional representatives that you do not approve of any legislation to retroactively pay government employees for the time they did not work during the shutdown.

In the spirit of eventually cutting these jobs to reduce spending and the deficit tell them you do not approve of them making the shutdown a paid vacation. It's time to break the iron rice bowl they have, and show government employees that they do not have a source of income that will never go away.



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Here's how they voted.

It was 407 yea 0 nay and 13 Rep. 7 11 Dem. not voting.

Amash, Massie, & Huelskamp voted yea.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2013/h525

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Oh yeah!

I told our critters to amend their bills to change the name Furlough to Vacation Pay.

No response :-/

Real eyes realize real lies

We want our country back

Every year is a year for Ron Paul!

Hey buddy!

You made it! fantastic! Good to see you back Sir!

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

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Thank you

Last time I checked, furlough means no pay. I was furloughed once, and I never got paid. Furlough is just a gimmick word congress uses to make the voter feel sorry for them.

Edit: Giving them back pay now lets congress drag out the shutdown as long as they need to with very little hardship on the furloughed workers. They know they'll get paid now.

Real eyes realize real lies

We want our country back

Every year is a year for Ron Paul!

When the state here furloughs

They just add a day to their paid vacation for every day not worked. So all it does is affect any possible overtime for the week. They don't give out much overtime anyways. I'm thinking it is the same for federal workers too.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

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Sorry, commented in wrong place...

Not Everyone is Getting a Paid Vacation

I'm being furloughed, but not getting paid for the time I'm not working. This is really going to hurt me and my family. It isn't a joke. I find a lot of comments I've heard about the furlough to be disturbing.

Well, in the 1990's the Federal government shut down all logging

Well, in the 1990's the Federal government shut down all logging for a stupid spotted owl; And That shut down lumber mills all over the west when there was no need; None; People lost their jobs; They had families, babies and bills. etc. And pleaded for them not to.

The federal employees said "so?" You can find another job; Who cares about you and yours - get in the unemployment line and learn another trade! We however are going to save a stupid spotted owl that doesn't need saving. Take a hike! :)

Yeah! Justlikethat! :)

Soooo, When I hear government "SERVANTS" whine about not being able to feed their poor little babies at home, after extracting two, three and four OR MORE TIMES the salaries from ordinary citizens for years, with paid vacation benefits, insurance coverage, PERS, and force money out of the citizens pockets without their consent, via corrupt Union bosses, through an Unenumerated tax system

(that cannot ever be constitutional or ratified to be, as Unenmerated taxation is a new arrogated power outside the delegated powers, and therefore expressly prohibited - forever),

And after creating upon the STATES numerous "ENVIRONMENTAL" "mandates" to remove free trade, and create "ZONING" "mandates" to keep people from using their property the way they need to so to compete, just so that the CORRUPT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE UNIONS can create CORRUPT STATE UNION EMPLOYEE jobs on "YET MORE" "REGULATIONS" so that can create "MORE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT UNION JOBS" so that they can move up the ladder to be a "CORRUPT GOVERNMENT UNION MANAGER" to get even "GREATER PAY AND BENEFITS…" :)

"WITHOUT OUR EACH PERSONAL EXPLICIT CONSENT"! . …… :)

Well… I Just want to …."educate" their sweet little …. :)

By simply and gently presenting some basic principles of "Common Law", which is very much valid and remain with us today, as clearly established in this short quote from our Founders:

Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788:
In Full: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/americanpatriotpartynewsl...

George Nicholas: "…But the"COMMON LAW"is"NOT EXCLUDED".There is"NOTHING" in "that paper"(APP Note: referring to the US Constitution being considered)  to warrant the assertion."

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Now with the lesson that directly relates to the issue at hand:

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Samuel Adams - Absolute Rights of the Colonists, 1772:
http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/Rights_of_the_Colonists/r...

Government was instituted for the purposes of common defence (ONLY); and those who hold the reins of government have an equitable natural right to an honourable support from the same principle "that the labourer is worthy of his hire"

but then the same community which they serve, ought to be assessors of their pay (COUNTY - NOT A FEDERAL UNION dictating wages from 50 to 3000 Miles Away):

Governors have NO RIGHT TO SEEK WHAT THEY PLEASE (Which Unions Do for MAXIMUM WAGES AND BENEFITS);

BY THIS, instead of being content with the station assigned them,

that of "honourable" "SERVANTS" of the society,

they would soon become "Absolute masters, Despots, and Tyrants." (OO! OUCH!)

Hence as a "private man" has a RIGHT to say, what wages he will give in his private affairs,

so has a (LOCAL) Community to determine WHAT THEY WILL (CONSENSUALLY) GIVE and GRANT of their (CONSENSUAL AVAILABLE AND WILLING) "Substance", for the Administration of "publick affairs".

And in both cases more (CITIZENS) are ready generally to offer their Service at the PROPOSED AND STIPULATED PRICE, than are able and willing to perform their duty.-- "

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Written only four years before the Illustrious American Revolution of which the people were being taxed far less percentage of their salaries than today; Before the people then began making small (insignificant really) "perforations" in their very own government's soldiers highly patriotic army's bright Red coats.

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Samuel Adams, (continued):

"Now what liberty can there be, where property is taken away without "consent"?

Can it be said with any colour of truth and Justice, that this Continent of THREE THOUSAND MILES IN LENGTH(NOW IN DEPTH AS WELL), and a breadth as yet unexplored,

in which however, its supposed, there are five millions of people (NOW OVER 300 MILLION),

has the least voice, vote or influence in the decisions of the British Parliament?

Have they, all together, any more right or power to return a single member to that house of commons, who have not inadvertently, but deliberately assumed a power to dispose of their lives,8 Liberties and properties, than to choose an Emperor of China!

Had the Colonists a right to return members to the british parliament, it would only be hurtfull;

as from their local situation and circumstances it is "IMPOSSIBLE" THEY SHOULD BE EVER TRUELY AND PROPERLY REPRESENTED THERE.

The inhabitants of this country in all probability in a few years will be more numerous, than those of Great Britain and Ireland together;

yet it is "ABSURDLY EXPECTED" [Volume 5, Page 397] by the promoters of the present measures,

that these, with their posterity to all generations, should be easy while their property, shall be disposed of by a house of commons at THREE THOUSAND MILES DISTANT FROM THEM;

and who "CANNOT BE SUPPOSED" to have the "LEAST CARE OR CONCERN" for their "REAL INTEREST":

Who have "NOT ONLY NO NATURAL CARE" for their interest,

but must be in effect bribed against it; ( I.E. BRIBED BY MANDATES)

as EVERY BURDEN they lay on the colonists IS SO MUCH SAVED OR GAINED TO THEMSELVES.

Hitherto many of the Colonists have been free from Quit Rents; BUT IF THE BREATH (REACH) of a british house of commons can ORIGINATE AN ACT (UNENUMERATED INCOME TAX, FAIR TAX OR FLAT TAX) FOR TAKING AWAY ALL OUR MONEY,

OUR LANDS WILL GO NEXT

(SUCH IS TARGETED AGAINST "INHOLDERS" IN FEDERAL UNCONSTITUTIONAL NATIONAL MONUMENTS SURROUNDED FROM AND THROUGH INTEROFFICE FEDERAL AND STATE BUREAUCRATS AND TAX SUPPORTED SPECIAL INTEREST, BY "SIMPLY DRAWING A LINE ON A MAP", AND THEN CONDEMNING PRIVATE LAND )

or be subject to rack rents from haughty and relentless (GOVERNMENT TAX COLLECTING) landlords (BUREAUCRATS) "WHO WILL RIDE AT EASE",

WHILE WE ARE TRODDEN IN THE DIRT

The Colonists HAVE BEEN BRANDED with the ODIOUS NAMES OF TRAITORS AND REBLES,

ONLY FOR COMPLAINING OF THEIR GRIEVANCES;

"HOW LONG" such treatment WILL, OR OUGHT TO BE BORN (TOLERATED) is submitted.

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My how History Repeats itself.

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I wish you well finding work "anywhere"…..

"OTHER THAN" in a government, government privileged corporation, government privileged union or government tax supported special interest ;

That way you and others in your same predicament, will understand how it is for most Americans to be forced to pay salaries to servants such as you, many times over what they can earn themselves,

either through taxes, or from the "burden" of the taxes placed on the products and services by those who do - that pass them onto the lowest person on the financial pole; who cannot place their tax burden on products or right them off.

Sincerely Yours.

American Patriot Party.CC
http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc

Educate Yourself. Educate Others.

Related Regarding Common Law:

Virginia Ratifying Convention6-16-1788:
In Full: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/americanpatriotpartynewsl...

George Nicholas: "…But the"COMMON LAW"is"NOT EXCLUDED".There is"NOTHING" in "that paper"(APP Note: referring to the US Constitution being considered)  to warrant the assertion."

You may also wish to view these articles and documents:

Suggested Reading Founders Documents: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/American_Patriot_Party.pdf

Republics and Representation: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/americanpatriotpartynewsl...

The Constitutional Anonymity Tax: http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc/patriottax

DP: http://www.dailypaul.com/user/14674
FB: https://www.facebook.com/pages/American-Patriot-Party-CC-Nat...

RichardTaylorAPP - Chair - American Patriot Party.CC

John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

Huh, What?

I got laid off recently. I went through an immediate panic. Crap, no income, no usefulness, no anything... just loads of bills. I live in NY where rent is probably more than the average mortgage. My wife panicked and so did I. We were in a tail spin. So I did what everyone in my shoes would do... I got to work and so did my wife. She doubled her efforts and found evening employment while I contacted everyone I know for work... and I found some at first enough to get by then later more and more. After just 2 months of unemployment, I am now self employed and making about what I made before being let go. I happen to have a robust skill set, but you have a tendency to build that when you work privately and know that at any moment the hatchet may fall. I'm sorry, but if you believe that your job is an untouchable job, then you have likely already become too complacent. I have heard it all too often. "Oh ive got a great job, i work for the government". One of my oldest friends works for the government, he used to always brag about how easy and cushy his job was. He had no problem at all letting me know in a joking sort of way (aka: rubbing it in) how much better he had it over me. Lots of days off (paid), great benefits, wonderful retirement package consistent raises and an excellent pay rate. Of course the trade off is that he could "never" deal with a non government job. His skills have so far diminished because as he puts it "its great, there's a computer problem and my job is to assess the problem then hire union guys to do it for me... i'm not even allowed to fix it, even if i know how". All in all with the countless "benefits" you get from a job with the government a short while off may be uncomfortable (putting it mildly) but its what the rest of us would have to do, why should you not be subject to the same realities? Do you think we should be footing the bill for you? If I were in your shoes, I would get busy and quit crying the blues. Maybe find a private sector job to hold you over the furlough. Maybe you should consider how blessed you are to have a "cushy government job" and realize that you will likely get your job back with full compensation (at the rest of Americas expense) even though I for one feel that would be completely and absolutely unfair. Its a rough and tumble world out there, but, if you put your mind and efforts to the task at hand, you and your family will do just fine... And its possible you may even find that with great effort comes great reward. Something a government job is surely not to teach you. I do empathize with your situation and I don't envy you. But, like I said, 2 months ago I was in your shoes, ignore the negative comments and start your long hard push to success. Maybe now is the time to realize just how hobbled you have become by the cushy job and start upgrading your skill set.

you will..

When Congress is finished awarding pork to the Republicans in Congress (as payment for them agreeing to a "bipartisan" bill) it will award back pay to you and the other furloughed workers.

The people who are really getting hurt by this charade are the private sector businesses (think restaurants, bars, taxis, shippers, caterers, etc..) who gain income from federal employees and have seen their income drop while the federal employees are off on a paid vacation.

Bad Situation

I agree with you. Most federal employees are getting screwed just like the rest of us. I see no reason to punish them for the sins of Congress.

I agree that the federal workforce should be cut back but a shutdown just puts these people in limbo. Pay them and do a structured rollback of federal pay/employees.

whine with the cheese, you

whine with the cheese, you have more benefits then the average american worker which is none. Are you telling me you have no benefits?? If you have benefits be thankful you have them ,most have 0!! or no job at all

Ron Paul 2016

Are you considered essential or nonessential?

Does your choice of income bring a benefit to the planet? Not judging just asking?

Today is a good time to start asking ourselves some hard questions.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

I feel your pain

I got laid off from my job of 17 years recently and I do not get paid if I do not work. I know it sucks but why should you get paid if you are not working? On the other hand you should have some unemployment options just like everyone else to get some money.

Retroactive parks?

Is there anything in there about retroactively opening parks or restoring access to web sites?

How do you teach these Socialists a Lesson for Wasteful Spending

When they get paid for the lesson?!

Fire Them.

Close and Lock the Doors;

Auction the Federal buildings to private (not corporate,union or special interests) citizens

We have a chance to reduce the federal government by 15%;

Do it.

Wipe the slate clean.

American Patriot Party.CC
http://www.americanpatriotparty.cc

RichardTaylorAPP - Chair - American Patriot Party.CC

John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.

The only way to win in a

The only way to win in a no-win situation is to not fight.

Stop working and as a consequence, pay no taxes.

The beast lives off our blood. Deny it your blood.

800,000 potential whistle-blowers get paid off

The House voted unanimously Saturday to retroactively pay back federal workers who are not receiving a paycheck because of the government shutdown.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/326773-house-app...

Of course they will be paid. If not they are all potential whistle blowers. A more accurate term woub be "Paid Off".

Can you imagine the the public relations nightmare of 800,000 disgruntled workers willing to spill the beans on their non-essentialness, graft and criminal activities? The only way to keep them quit is to keep paying them for the silence.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

Does anyone know who voted on this?

As the fifth day of the federal government shutdown began, members of the House came together in a moment of rare bipartisanship to pass a bill, by a vote of 407 to 0, approving back pay for furloughed government workers.

WHO ARE THE 407? I guess only 28 did not even both voting for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-votes-to-approv...

Government Shutdown = SCAM

This is definitely a scam.
The workers still get paid even though the government shut down.

This whole thing is designed as a scam on us.
I personally don't care about the shutdown. Doesn't bother me one bit.

BUT I DON'T WANT THESE WORKERS TO GET BACK PAY FOR THE TIME OF THE SHUTDOWN. THIS IS NON-SENSE!!!!

Like usual, the govt wins and we lose!

Stay shutdown and no payments for anyone NOT working. Then I would consider it a real partial shutdown.

All the other parts are operating at full steam. The most offensive parts that receives taxes, the enforcement thug agencies... etc.. all the s-h-i-t that we hate is still running.

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!

They really do stick it to

They really do stick it to the taxpayer at every turn.

There's only one problem

Union Contracts.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

If this doesn't prove

they are all collectivists playing a game of charades, I don't know what would. Unless, this phony shutdown lasted over two weeks these people would get paid anyhow, this is just a game of politics over any real purpose. Where is the unleadership in the GOP calling out Obama for using this shutdown much worse than it really is by closing down non-government controlled institutions, to blame all of this on the GOP? Unless, members of the GOP start talking out against the unleadership of their party, the GOP will collapse, and the Democrats will gain complete control. I get tired of hearing the right wing radio-hacks on the radio saying the GOP leaders are fearful to do what's right, when the reality is these SOB's are just collectivists to the corporate special interest.

Your post is a really great message

Can you provide us a link to support your claims.. ?

Thank you :)

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

They've done it before

They did it before in 1995.

As if conjured by a genie, here's a recent link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/government-shutdown...

If they haven't passed it yet, you know they're thinking about it, so it's the best time to act.

Thanks.