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Gov Brewer,Businesses fight to reopen Grand Canyon

With the partial suspension of U.S. government services showing no signs of ending, tourists will continue to be turned away from the Grand Canyon, despite a push by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer and local businesses to reopen the state's signature national park.

Wish I could find a better link, I hate FOX: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/04/ariz-gov-rejected...

Governor Brewer and local businesses have offered to pay and keep the Grand Canyon open to tourism, The NPS has refused so far. This financially affects more states than just Az, Thousands of European tourists a day fly in to airports from coast to coast just to come and see the Grand Canyon.

They purchase plane tickets, They rent cars, buy fuel, pay for motels, eat at Restaurants and buy souvenirs from every state as they make their way to and from the Grand Canyon. This one could have been left open or let Az pay to keep it open. This is political posturing that will cost the National economy greatly.

Yet at the same time Obama found 1.4 billion to give to a CANADIAN company to repair the Obamacare website?

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This Governor needs to get a set of brass balls, and..

send in the state police and take over the Grand Canyon under his emergency powers as Governor, and hold if until further notice!

He might be surprised, his ratings as the greatest Governor of all times would GO THROUGH the roof!

Opportunities like this happen once in a life time!

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Fife Symington

The governor of Arizona at the time of the last shutdown went to the Grand Canyon with 50 Arizona National Guard troops and 25 state park employees to re-open the Canyon. The result was a portion of the park being re-opened to visitors and AZ even got it's money back for the operating of the park.

Given that demonstration of force and subsequent success, I'm wondering why our current batch of 50 governors don't step up and start re-opening the parks in their states. What would Obama be able to do if 50 states all declared that their respective guards would be opening the parks? What would he do if those governor's also requested all the sheriff's within their state revoke any police powers of any federal branch of government that is preventing people from the quiet enjoyment of public lands? I wonder what Sheriff D'Agostini thinks of NPS cops blocking people from entry into parks.


I think they are being squeezed

I think they are being threatened with federal dollar cutbacks if they raise a stink. This administration is a mafia at it's best.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Evict the Feds

Gov. Brewer and the Arizona Legislature should simply evict the Federal Government and take over management. Many of these "Public Lands" were originally turned over to Federal management with the promise that the lands would be managed for multiple use with a portion of all rents received (grazing fees, mineral leases, timber sales, etc) would be turned over to the State and local governments in lieu of property taxes.

While some State would be negligent in management of such lands, others would manage the lands well, and in some cases sell some lands as needed,

This simple solution would not solve all the ills permeating from DC, and would not substantially reduce the Federal deficit, or even touch the debt. This plan, and similar plans, would serve to reduce Federal interference within the State affected, and likely increase property tax revenue to local governments.

Should Gov. Brewer persue such a solution to this particular problem, I would support her in the effort.

Hey, they own the universe, and the

Grand Canyon is nothing when you own the universe.

Doing this is nothing more than proving or demonstrating "claim of ownership" to YOU the little peeps.

When the king doesn't want you on his land he tells ya.

All's this is, is some psycopaths flying high on grandure.

Time to punch the kid in his one eye, knock him off your rocking horse and TAKE IT BACK!

I'm not kidding about them believeing they own the universe. They own it in their own dark little twisted minds......

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

So NPS Employees Still "Working"?

...for "free"? They must be assuming that the shutdown won't last long, or that they will be fully reimbursed for their time, otherwise they wouldn't be out there acting as security guards to keep people out. If they're willing to "work" for free to keep tourists out, why not just perform their normal jobs for free and keep it open? Same thing with the WWII memorial in D.C. If they can stand guard at the barricade it makes sense for them to just open up and perform their normal routine (whatever the hell it is) in and around the memorial.

Absolutely, You nailed it

I was thinking the same thing, They are working anyways but they can man the barricades and not man the garbage cans? What's the difference in cost?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Obama taking tips from local school boards

local school boards always resort to tactics to inflict as much pain and hardship on parents when a tax levy fails.

cut off bus service, extra ciricular activities, pay to play, etc.

just bullies doing what bullies do.


Since when does the government turn down money? They make it more obvious that they just want to make people feel the "pain". All they are doing is pissing people off.

It amazes me that the government lays claim to the land to

begin with.

Does it not belong to the people - or more accurately - does it not belong to the earth? What province does the government claim over it.

"Sell a country! Why not sell the air, the clouds, and the great sea as well as the earth? Did not the Great Spirit make them all for the use of his children?"


Too bad we didn't listen huh.

Yes! Maybe now we can finally listen...

My friend,
they will return again.
All over the Earth,
They are returning again.
Ancient teachings of the Earth,
Ancient songs of the Earth,
They are returning again.

My friend, they are returning.
I give them to you,
and through them
you will understand.
You will see.
They are returning again
Upon the Earth

Song of His Crazy Horse
Lakota Warrior and Prophet

"...Which leads to the question of which path will mankind make at this critical time? There are prophecies of purifications, or often called "Earth Cleansings". They come from tribes as distant geographically as the Iroquois Nations of New York and the Hopi of the Southwest. These prophecies of the Purification of the Earth all seem, to me at least, to have the same theme. Unless the people of the world return to spirituals values. or the Original Instructions, and begin to clean up the mess they have made on Earth, both environmentally and socially, then Grandmother Earth will cleanse herself..."
From American Indian Prophecies - Conversations with Chasing Deer By Kurt Kaltreider, PhD

Highly recommended reading.

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

There's an Earth cleansing coming alright!

But not from "Grandmother Earth".

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Indian legends like these are evidence that the Word of God was preached throughout all the world at various times, but is barely discernible due to the handing down of stories through the centuries in nations where it was not revered and Providentially preserved by God like it was in Israel and England and then America.

The old question, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" can be similarly worded - Which came first, the Word of God or legends that seem somewhat similar? Clearly, the Word of God came first as God created the constellations and gave their meaning (dot-to-dot picture stories) to Adam who passed it on to the many generations he lived through. (He lived to be 930 years old and knew Noah's father for 50 years!)

As David said in Psalm 19:1-4
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.

Those who believed the word of the heavens were blessed by God, the rest lost His blessing, ultimately resulting in the great flood, which illustrates the common trend we see today of people wanting to their own thing and not wanting to be answerable to God. God is patient for a long time, but eventually He has to judge or be unjust.

The big picture of history tells the truth of the most important matters. Any skeptic or critic can pick out the sinfulness of man and its evidences (slavery, for example) as an excuse to not see the big picture, if they want to; but Benjamin Franklin was right - "God governs in the affairs of man." (Constitutional Convention of 1787)

There will be a day of cleansing and a day of reckoning. Get ready!

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

The one thing I know is that I don't know...

I choose to believe that the ancient teaching of Indigenous Peoples too are the word of GOD just as is the Bible. I choose to believe that GOD (The Great Spirit)speaks to all, in all cultures, in ways we will each understand, in all times in all moments and exists in the NOW. You choose to see GOD as you do, and that's what speaks to you, and that too is wonderful.

Is it possible that what matters is that we listen regardless of the messenger or the form in which the message comes?

I hope that we all learn to respect, love and embrace the differences in one another, including our Spiritual beliefs. It may be the only path to Peace.

May GOD The Great Spirit smile upon you...


If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

I will always respect...

I will always respect your right to believe whatever you choose to be convinced of, or even to never be convinced of anything.

I will fight for your right of free conscience.

I also love your signature line: "If my need to be RIGHT is greater then my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives."
That is so often true!

BTW, the spelling of the first "then" should be "than".
A helpful rule: use "thAn when denoting a compArison or AlternAte; use thEn when denoting timing as in whEn.
Example: Bill fell and cut his knee; thEn, rather thAn bleed all over, he bandaged his knee.
Hope that helps you or whoever might read this, in case you already knew it and just had a typo.

May God illuminate you according to your honest desire for TRUTH.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

thank you!

and for the English lesson...I never can remember which one to use when and appreciate your help.

Blessings and Peace!

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

Thank you for the Tecumseh quote

One of the best books I have read about government encroachment. "Panther in the sky" by James Alexander Thom. A novel based on the life of Tecumseh. I was just getting ready to post it over on the "I'm looking for a good read" thread when I read your comment. Thank you.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.