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I Don't Care If It's The Law.

The law says I'm supposed to ride my bicycle on the street, along with the motorized traffic, as opposed to using the sidewalk.

Well, guess what? Riding my bike on the street is dangerous. It's dangerous at night because of all the drunks, but also during the day, because people drive with so many distractions like text messaging and cellphones that even a 'sober' person could run me over.

I've already been ticketed and jailed for riding on the sidewalk but these inconveniences will not deter me. I'd rather live another day in jail than die in an emergency room cot.

The logic behind the law says that I on my bike could do physical harm to a pedestrian on the walk. I guess that's a risk I'll have to take. Better to risk that than an encounter with a truck driven by a drunk.

Sure, I could go to the city council and try to get the law changed. But the chances of this succeeding are extremely low, as the same argument was presented previously and defeated. Also, in the last two years the city has painted big pictures of a bicycle in the middle of the street indicating to drivers that they are to share the road with bicycles. Rather than helping I believe these signs hurt as they are only painted on certain residential streets, hinting to drivers that if they don't see a bicycle painted on a road then bikes don't belong there. This causes many drivers to honk their horns at bicyclers and yell 'get off the road!'

There are also 'bike lanes' on certain roads which start and end sporatically, leading to the confused but logical conclusion that bikes belong on some roads but not others.

Regardless, I care not what the law says. It is a dangerous law which I would no more follow than a law that said I had to inject a chemical or vaccination into my body. When it is dark, or when traffic is heavy, or for any other reason I choose, I will ride on the sidewalk. The law be damned.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Have faith

Boston has become a noticeably more bicycle-friendly town in the 8 years since I've been here.

There is hope for the future.

And basically, it is people like you who force the future to bend. You who refuse to follow dumb rules. You are part of the brighter future for bicyclists in your town. And for your courage, hard work and service, I salute you.

The vast majority of heroes are unsung heroes in this long march of human progress.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Wait, What?

Bicycles on side-walk rather than the road?

Back in my home country pedestrians, cyclists, motorist, cars, lorries, buses and even cows typically use all parts of the road :P

It is not that bad as such, and believe me there will always be some level of Hayek's spontaneous order achieved in such a system. It is not perfect but it is one where the Government doesn't have to spend too much on road infrastructure and writing thousands of pages of laws.

I saw a related video here -

Before you conclude that such things are backward and have no place in industrialized countries, do note that there are specific controlled successful trials in western countries which have shown that spontaneous order works. Example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi0meiActlU

Finally, the OP should be free to do what he wants to do (of course without infringing on others' rights)
http://cdn.meme.li/i/lilw0.jpg ;)

Also remembered this video of

Also remembered this video of SF traffic from over a 100 years back (before The Federal Reserve even came into existence) -
Nice order in what should've been total chaos

And using a lot of your

And using a lot of your logic, I don't care if Obamacare is the law. It is more dangerous health wise to have health insurance than not. Health insurance is a form of subsidizing bad health behaviors. I you are sick and want to get healthier the best way to do it is to pay for your sickness out of your own pocket. It is the best incentive for healthier day to day habits.
P.S. When I saw your headline, this is what I thought the topic was going to be about.

It is better to look dumb and not be, than to look smart and not be.

Self responsibility

You are speaking of forced self responsibility, and of course you are right about the change in priorities this would bring about. But I have to wonder about how the inflated prices of medical care would be dealt with? A free market would reduce prices substantially but never down to what they were in the past. No longer can one trade a milk cow for an operation, You would now have to trade the whole farm and become homeless which in turn causes it's own health problems. I am also curious how this would affect those with genetic health issues? Would these just be considered expendable as a result of natural selection?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Right on, right on, right on.

Been thinking about this thread for about a month or two.

When obamacare came online thought I'd throw it out there with a scrambipulous title like the one you see.

In the hopes that people would think it was about the health-insurance law and thusly click it.

Thanks for clicking. Thanks for being here and thanks for you.

p.s. I'm not going to do the affordable care act thing either even though i'm supposed'ta.


Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Good observations


I you are sick and want to get healthier the best way to do it is to pay for your sickness out of your own pocket.

Exactly! And for a certain segment of our population, getting attention from the medical system is a form of potentially free entertainment!

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Problem is I believe

HealthCareGov is one mass eugenics program with a long term goal of consolidating all genetic information from the people so that the eugenicist elites can develop genome specific bioweapons to cut off entire branches of the human tree. I sincerely believe this is the prime motivation behind this new healthcare system. I have cited the PNAC documents as just one of the stated goals. Alex Jones lays out a lot of the history in End Game but the HealthCareGov will be the prime mover that can enable centralized health database records to be used by their mad scientists in the background to develop the tools of choice for eugenics bioweapons.

Most people don't seem to realize that this is how serious a threat this new health care system actually is.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Yes - aca is eugenics.

You are correct sir and it goes way beyond Alex JONES.

This post wasn't about riding bikes - let's put it that way...

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

I really don't

know why we put up with all this criminal non-sense and tyranny. We should have had a revolution over j-walking tickets. We should have never let it come to what it is. If we wait much longer we are going to have much worse problems with the rise of advanced technologies and AI systems.

We need a declaration of war against the banksters and all the damn control freaks who think they can just force people to do whatever they want. I hate to say it but it looks like it is going to be the control freaks or us. It is really time to kick some ass on every front. We need to build armies of intelligence gathering and develop detailed decentralized intelligence sharing so that we can begin to gain the intel on their positions and networks as needed intel to take this nightmare out at our choosing. We will never be able to protect ourselves without detailed intelligence sharing on those enemies of Free people. A declaration of war would enable the full force of the US military to be utilized for the job but people seem to love their own slavery.

I also hate to say it but I think the people are proving to not be worthy of their existence. If these tyrannical control freaks can set all of this up and get away with this in plain sight then the People will deserve to be removed from existence. If people are not willing to bring justice to such blatant criminals then we will get exactly what we deserve which is nothing not even existence.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Do people really want to live?

I've been asking that question for about 2 years. It pre-dates my DP membership and remains unanswered in my mind.

(not you but others) See those chemtrails?

Heard of GMO? BPA?

Do you REALLY want to live?

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

I have been asking myself

do most people even know they are alive? Sometimes I wonder if they are just operating on brainstem motor function to process waste with no cognitive reasoning at all. I have literally seen monkeys smarter than some people.

Sometimes I wonder if the majority of people think that fruits and vegetables are made in some factory somewhere. I really don't know how low it goes with the mindless masses but it really seems to go very very low. Even the fine people within the Ron Paul revolution while are really the only last hope for any sanity brought to this most in this crowd still don't seem to have one ounce of justice in their veins. The answer is always politics but never justice all the while no one seems to realize that politics is not the proper venue for bringing justice to criminal acts being committed against them.

As far as do I want to live?; yes. I want my lineage to live on. I also know that serious justice is going to have to be brought for our condition to evolve into a sustainable and happy future. This requires a strong grasp of law and justice along with keen awareness and cooperative interests looking to advance to obtain a just world. New technological capabilities will likely enable interstellar space travel, possibly time travel and possibly even inter-dimensional travel. I would like to help realize this and enable my lineage the ability learn the cosmos first hand.

With all of the centralized information systems mankind now has the ability to find the criminals and the truth. The problem is that the criminals are in charge of the very tools that could be used to bring them to justice. We the people need to obtain the tools and turn it on them. We need to utilize this advanced technological capability to tear into chest of the beast and rip it's heart out. Anything less is proving to create hell on Earth run by tyrannical psychopaths. There are technologies that can easily take these criminals out if they were lawfully turned to them through a US declaration of war. All of these information technologies could also enable complete and total live and buffered 24/7 transparency of every aspect of lawful government and really turn the tables on government. Little brothers could prove the death for Big brother. If we turned the intelligence tools spotlight directly onto a substantially smaller government we could watch their every move and establish multidimensional accountability spheres that could constantly be watching each other and not even realizing it (much how intelligence apparatus is established) just with a twist that the system is designed to constantly seek to bring justice to itself and the whole apparatus of government is made as logical honey pot maze for criminals aka if you know all governments become tyrannical then establish government processes explicitly as a maze for the criminals to crawl right into the trap using software tools and their binding oath capacity to require them to be tracked and monitored at all times while on the job with streaming information to open accessible databases.

But all of the most important 'what is possible' seems way too advanced for people who beg for their own enslavement.

People just seem too intellectually weak to understand what can and needs to be done to ensure a peaceful and happy future. We have advanced tools now online that could really enable sophisticated protections of the people and the law but everyone just seems to be flubbing around with stupid opinions about cyclists trying riding on a sidewalk or not or some pop news of some drama non-sense. It is truly ridiculously insane to intelligent human being what is actually happening. We already have an idiocracy and it is EVERYWHERE.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Keep Your Considerable Balls From Being Pinched ...

... as you plot your course through pedestrian thinkers. May you, and others of the cadre, dodge those who would just as soon roll over you as confine you to their narrow lines.


Viva la lineage ( of the Cadre ) !


agree that riding on the road is more dangerous, I wouldn't worry about drunks though since millions are on highways every week and very few hurt anyone contrary to the hype.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

Yes, but they do ride the curb.

And bicycles are doubly invisible to them. We appear as a yield sign in the distance.

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

In Grand Theft Auto I drive

In Grand Theft Auto I drive my CAR on the sidewalk. lol

So do I. Sucks that in the new games...

You can't collect $ from dead xxxs.


Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

Right to free travel?

Not enumerated but the roads, all else being owned for other purposes, are the one way we have to get from place to place on the land. Rather a shame that automobile drivers must share this resource, we need to start making people with wings.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

In my town horses are allowed on the sidewalk

So are the bicycles, Fenders are an asset if you are on a bike. Not uncommon to see a couple equestrians in a fast food driveway,lol

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

arbitrary and capricious.

More proof that bicycle laws are arbitrary and capricious.

Some communities ban bikes on the road. Sometimes they border each other and you have to double-check the law before you know where you 'can' ride.

The 'bike lanes' here in GB are horrible - they go between two traffic lanes in some places, and cars have to cross them to turn right. And then it ends but supposedly bikes can share the roads, but people see the 'bike lane' has ended but there's a guy on a bike so he must not belong there, right?

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

Don't get me wrong...

Don't get me wrong, there are laws on the books about bicycles riding on the sidewalk but they are never enforced at all. But there are no laws about horses on the sidewalk. So it is pretty hard to justify writing a ticket to a cyclist as a horse walks by dropping road apples. So they just don't, still a little common sense left here.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

My fave bicyclists are the

My fave bicyclists are the smug, lance Armstrong wanna bees who hog the road. They ride in the center of the lane, either solo or in a group. They won't yield or stop for stop signs. We are not supposed to cross a double yellow lines so I pass as safely as possible. Sometimes , but rarely do they like it and I get saluted. So I salute back with my finger up and out of the sunroof and turn up the metal.

I completely agree, get the law changed and be safe!

whata jacka$$

the Lance Armstrong types are probably well aware of the danger to them and have a huge incentive to do what is safe. That often is not clear to non-cyclists or casual ride on the sidewalk types. I doubt they do the things you;ve described with any frequency. Get something substantial to complain about, like the national debt maybe.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Go drive on Utica pike, near

Go drive on Utica pike, near Jeffersonville, Indiana on any weekend. Tell me about frequency.

If they know the dangers and

If they know the dangers and fail to yield anyway, who is the jackass exactly?

good for you

I hate those slow cyclist who hog the road. Particularly when they are riding their bicycles in a 55 zone.

Logical Failure

Problem is that it is not applicable law to You.

Codes have no application to the people nor do they claim to. Lawful codes are for those who contract under its capacity. The court will claim that the Accuser is the "STATE of [X]" or "The People of the STATE of [X]" but Lawful (Just) powers of government are only derived from the consent of the governed and any lawful agent of government would be required to be acting on behalf of the principle accuser who would face you in a court of law with their valid cause of action alleging actual harm to them by you for a court to have lawful subject matter jurisdiction (Common Law right to face your accuser).

The criminals claiming to be "law enforcement" and the "court" are committing criminal fraud, extortion and perjury when they force you into contract against your will UNLESS you consent to their jurisdiction and stand under (understand) their claims of code application to you. If you consent to the jurisdiction then they now have the consent of the governed for the lawful power against you because of your own consent. This is their criminal deception they are committing against everyone. If they don't have your consent then they are required to have another member of the governed with a valid cause of action to be the accuser to have any lawful powers. If one does not consent and then challenges them to use their own rules for evidence to demonstrate that they indeed have consent of governed for lawful operation then this path will fail to provide concrete evidence beyond all reasonable doubt because of their failed logic in their own claims of where the consent comes from. Without an accuser with a valid cause of action their is not principle invoking their agency thus they have no standing agency to the people. They will claim it comes from legislature but their is absolutely no way for them to actually prove that the representatives in legislature are indeed in agency to the people and that them position was even derived from the people. They are lying committing fraud and extortion. Don't consent to it and don't let them get away with felony crimes being committed against you. Become the accuser, bring the criminals to justice. You have every lawful right and duty to do so. If they obstruct justice by trying to protect their criminal buddies then now those individuals are liable for misprision and obstruction of justice all felony criminal acts.

Learn their lawful bounds within the law and bring justice. We the People do not have to allow this criminal enterprise to continue we can bring these criminals acts before our juries and throw the criminals in prison where they belong.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

wrong (of course)

Codes do indeed apply to you. Phreedom was not there that day in high school civics.

One thing that any road cyclist should do is learn the rules of the road, in their area, both as to cars and cyclists. You will find that MOST of those rules make it safer to cycle if you follow them. Any experienced cyclist knows this.

One example: try this test. The next time a cyclist surprises you when you are driving (as in "oh my God there's a cyclist, I have to brake/wait/ stop to avoid a collision) take note. Chances are it is a cyclist on the left, on the sidewalk, or otherwise violating a traffic law for cyclists.

Telling them to ignore the rules of the road will get them hurt far more often than following them will. And it has the added bonus of being illegal, even though "preedhom" who claims to hobnob with high powered lawyers (laugh) who agree with him (guffaw) and who support his crazy crap (laugh-gasp laugh roflcopter) might disagree. As a cyclist, I'll go with the rules of the road any day.

Bicycling is, like motorcycling, inherently dangerous. You CAN do everything right and get hurt. But following the rules of the road and understanding why they exist will keep you a lot healthier than riding your bike on the wrong side of the road, on the sidewalk, etc. will. And, since it is your life on the line, you have to know when to break the rules, and when to deviate from an idea or plan. Buy a book on safe bicycling written by a serious cyclist. It's worth it.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Uh - guh.

guh-uh-guh-gurgle buh.

I'm sorry - what?

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.