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America on the brink of revolution?

By Michael Webster

The recent pattern of federal government abuse is very troubling, undermining citizens' trust in their government, and we, the American people, deserve an explanation from this government as to why this administration and others including Congress used their vast powers to commit these unconstitutional acts.

Congress wrote and passed the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which were signed into law by Presidents Bush and Obama respectively. According to U.S. Rep. Tim Walberg, who is a member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which has been investigating IRS-related issues, "The lack of preparedness in rescuing Americans under attack, and the administration's misdirection to investigators seeking the truth about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi is disgraceful. The Department of Justice's broad phone-tapping of reporters is chilling and the slew of improprieties conducted by the IRS in targeting the president's political opponents leading up to his re-election is outrageous." In the last few years, the laundry list of violations of Americans' rights by the government is lengthy and unacceptable to most Americans, recent polls show...

Americans – the very people the big banks, Wall Street, and corporations made their massive fortunes from – were forced by the United States government to bail out those same banksters and corporations. Not one bank or corporation or any leaders have been brought to justice.

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A revolution won't be possible w/out communication, organization

Help restore the 2nd. Amendment and our Constitutional Republic.

"A well regulated (regulate = to make regular) MILITIA being NECESSARY to the SECURITY of a FREE state..."

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PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

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Well said.

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wrong reply

wrong reply

An EXPLANATION? I don't want an explanation as to why they

subverted the Supreme Law of the Land they swore upon the Word of God to "Preserve Protect and Defend."

I don't want an explanation as to why they have committed acts of Treason.

I want them ARRESTED, PROSECUTED, CONVICTED, and put in PRISON.

They can offer an explanation in their memoires they write from their jail cell, that is, if they still can hold a pencil after their 14 hours of hard labor each day.

MY REWRITE

"The recent pattern of federal government abuse brought about by the ignorant American people is quite frightening. The few of us left who want government to defend our liberty rather than destroy it, demand an explanation from our fellow tyrants."

- This seems more intellectually honest. Most Americans are clueless tyrants.

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War vs. Revolution

"It’s not pessimistic, brother, because this is the blues. We are blues people. The blues aren’t pessimistic. We’re prisoners of hope but we tell the truth and the truth is dark. That’s different." ~CW

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Beautiful.

Thank you for posting this.

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We have come a long way since 1776

Revisionists often like to portray the good old days as just that - something to wear with pride. Certainly one can be proud of national heritage, but the reality still stands that in the days and years following the revolution, there were numerous crisis, rebellions, and a fledgling slave trade that had all but been outlawed by the British by 1820. While recovered manuscripts show that both Jefferson and Adams foresaw a war over the slave issue, because it was unresolved at the constitutional convention, they themselves could never have imagined, in their wildest dreams, the society that we live in today. A society where women make up half the workforce and have voting rights. A society where technology allows anyone to communicate with anyone else - on live video, instantaneously. A society with airplanes.

All this talk of truck drivers shutting down Washington, DC and arresting the Congress, as well as some big armed rebellion coming, is a bunch of crazy talk and hyperbole. The ballot box is the answer and people should take their apathy and frustration with the current system and move to third party. Investigate instant run-off voting and proportional representation. End redistricting policies in your state. Well, this is a lot to ask. But prior generations were tasked to do far more, in far little time.

LMAO HA HA HA HA HA "The Ballot Box" HA HA HA

That's hilarious HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Man where do you do your stand up skit at? I wanna watch.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
That Ballot Box HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

If the past 100 years have taught us anything that ballot box won't change shit. You're either delusional or a statist paid shill.

Diebold ring a bell?
Campaign finance laws?
Political parties in general?

Really The ballot box? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

"If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal"

If competing currencies changed anything they'd make it illegal... Oh wait... They did...

Get the point? Good luck electing a senator to vote for repealing the 17th Amendment.

Ron Paul was right!

He is the one who said: Women make up half the workforce because the economy has been manipulated to give them no choice in the matter.

Anyone can communicate with anyone else (and the overlords who monitor all communication). I'm sure Jefferson and Adams wouldn't have dreamed of that.

Your talk of voting and the ballot box is crazy talk.

Really?

Think about this. Most young Americans identify themselves as neither left nor right and are registered independents. What they should do, instead of always claiming its throwing away the vote, is always vote on principle. Always vote third party. While I recognize the US is a republic, it is also a democratic republic, and in other countries, especially in some Latin American ones (although there is often populist rule), democracy is a year long activity. Referendums are held on a national level all the time, and people are motivated to get involved in their local communities governance. Around here it seems like people figure every 2 or 4 years they will go to the voting booths and figure out if they will vote Republican or Dem.

Then, on the traditional pulley voting system we still have here, with the slot-machine type grip, we are bombarded with so many options from left to right, in each table, who knows who the hell these people are? I mean lets be honest here. I'm not from a small town, and you guys aren't from small states, either. When I go to vote, I'll be honest. 60-70% of the candidates I've never even heard of. I imagine for most people its over 90%. So we are voting across party lines.

What I try to do is vote for a local liberal state judiciary, a conservative, by a small margin of victory, city council and state legislator, and then randomly poke around for independents. This has got to be the most ridiculous system for voting in our modern age.

Let me let you think of this: You can file your taxes online, submit your healthcare information online, register your vehicle online, insure your vehicle online, pay parking tickets online, plead guilty or not guilty on a number of violations, but you can't vote online. That shows the priorities on civil and human rights in the US. Instead the government is spending untold trillions of dollars collecting information from the Internet, which it helped incubate.

That is quite insane when you think about it. They set up the ultimate private, nuclear war proof communications system, made it public, and are now trying to enforce all sorts of weird surveillance and laws over the Internet. I can understand protecting children and so forth, but really, the whole debacle on online gambling and taxing Indian smoke shops was just very unfortunate, especially given the US track record on breaking Indian treaties.

I could go on and on, but to prove my point about how bad we've screwed the Native Americans, one of the pioneers of the FBI Behavioral Science Unit, John Douglass, author of the book Mindhunters, tracked down some of the most notorious serial killers in the country. He gave advice on making Silence of the Lambs, and has interviewed them all. He says, despite all the carnage he saw in his career, the most deplorable conditions he ever saw people living in was on Indian Reservations.

We still live in a morally sick society that needs to get its priorities straight. Violence is not the answer. Peaceful protests and civil disobedience can go far, but only if the American people are on your side. Right now, many people imagine the president is doing the right thing by standing his ground, but the Republicans are seen as unwilling to re-open the government, even though both sides are waging a full court press propaganda battle. But I digress...

Could I ask you a question with all respect.

and I know I have come down hard on you, so you probably will not answer.

The question is about your name "RonPaulWasRight". What exactly, in your opinion, was Ron Paul right about?

I supported Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012

And I support his policies today. I follow his channel, I have books signed by him, and I have read all of his books except for the latest one on education.

Ron Paul was right about the economic collapse, the shrinking of the pie for the middle class, and the chaos that would ensue because of it. He was right that our foreign entanglements risked bankrupting this country.

He was right about not fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan, and, if drafted today, he would consider himself a conscientious objector.

But today, perhaps most important of all, Ron Paul was right about the direction our country is heading in. If you read some of his novels, he described, right off the bat, how the Patriot Act would be used against the American people, and that there is nary a difference between the two political parties.

When I look at this situation with the government shutdown and the debt ceiling, I can not believe people really believe that this is an ideological battle being fought by the Republican Party. Ted Cruz is a George Bush republican that has aligned himself with the Tea Party in order to hijack it for monetary gain. Now, when I look at it from this perspective, there is full political theatre on-going. Neither party has any serious ideological problem with keeping the government "shut down" (although 80% of it remains operational) because those segments do not service them.

What is going on today is a battle of special interest groups, specifically the AMA and healthcare companies, against Obamacare. As far as I am concerned regarding this legislation, it is basically harmless compared to the damage already done, and continually being done, by the Federal Reserve printing unlimited stimulus to the Wall Street banks who clearly have a stranglehold against our great nation.

It is a minor issue compared to the drone strikes and illegal renditions and CIA black ops sites around the world.

While we were willing to look the other way when George W. Bush authorized untold atrocities in Iraq, specifically the use of torture methods, white phosphorus, and depleted uranium warheads, we are essentially arguing over tax subsidies for healthcare and a mandate for purchased care.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world must be viewing our government as totally inept buffoons. Ron Paul was right when he stated that the whole system was corrupt, that their should be an opt-out option for every social program before this nation hits bankruptcy, and that if we pooled our resources back at home, we would have enough time to transition and phase out these programs over a long period of time.

Instead, pure partisan politics is on-going, just like it was under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and now Obama. Nothing has changed; just the faces. The military industrial complex has perpetual war and we are now scavengers arguing over how to live below the poverty line.

We should have listened to Doctor Paul's advice and taken him seriously, but the consolidated mainstream media knew that he could not be controlled if his popularity was fueled by the masses and I watched as Rep. Paul was blacklisted from the debates, the polls, etc. The New York Times even failed to list him as a candidate in an interactive predictive program on their website during the Republican primaries during the last election. I asked them why he was not listed and they said that they would "get back to me" and never did. In fact, I was right, as Paul came in second only to Romney, defeating his arch rival Gingrich as well as the other spend-thrift, social engineer, neoconservatives.

And Ron Paul is for shuttering several Federal Departments

against Obamacare,, and in favor of fazing our Medicare and Social Security over time.

I take it you agree with all that?

I agree with the majority of it

And this is if Paul were to have won the presidency. However, on the Affordable Healthcare Act, since it was ratified into law, I think it should either be repealed at the right time, or amended as necessary. We both know the skyrocketing cost of healthcare is due to a government subsidized insurance racket already. The US pays huge premiums to the healthcare lobby for mediocre results. I believe Paul is correct with his "unintended consequences" theory. This does not fall far from criminal law with the "fruits of the poisonous tree" doctrine when inadmissible evidence is shown to a jury. But I do think shutting down some essential and non-essential services, as well as putting the US credit rating in jeopardy, is a serious problem. Hardcore conservatives will claim this is Obama's fault, but he is not a legislator. The Congress needs to get it together and stop playing games with the nation's financial future. With all things, the devil is in the details, and I think there is enough political pandering going on to thrust everyone into a zombie-type stupor at this point, supporting either nonsensical position.

What is right for the American people would be to end government subsidized everything - over time. I say this with a strong belief that the US should honor its debt obligations to its own people and to foreign investors. In the interim, the US without any social programs at all, and a giant army that it has now, would be nothing more than a totalitarian state. So we again come to a problem of guns and butter.

The S&P health insurance index has gained 43%

in 2013. Obamacare is a windfall for the insurance giants.

The banks got theirs. Now the insurance companies are getting theirs.

For every person who gains coverage, there will be at least one who loses it and pays the fine. So the point is not to insure at all.

The economic effect is overwhelmingly bad.

Further, Obamacare is unconstitutional on several grounds. To say it is a tax is to say that the government may tax me to compel me to do anything (or not do anything). So to interprets it as a tax is to effectively strip the Constitution and freedom of all meaning.

All major entitlements are effectively already insolvent.

I find it perplexing that you feel alarm over the "default" fear-mongering, but not the complete insolvency of the country. We spend far more each year than we take in. We have over $100,000,000,000,000 in unfunded liabilities. In oder to meet these unfunded liabilities, by 2050 payroll taxes covering social security, medicare and medicare Part D would have to rise to 80%. At a personal tax rate of 20%, a 100% tax would be required.

Now we are adding another entitlement on top of these.

I am curious why your wrath is reserved for the only people in the last 50 years to try and say "no" to the insanity. If we must use the budget to force the President to negotiate, then that is exactly what we must do, Will Obama default instead of delaying Obamacare for 1 year? I don't think so. If he does, it is his choice.

If the deficit is reduced enough

With bipartisan support and GDP growth, it is still possible to end the sovereign debt crisis, but time is running out. The deficit is decreasing because of inflationary pressure. I agree about the windfall profits. I also think they intend to cut out employers by delaying the employer mandate one year and leave the individual mandate. This would entice businesses to offer rebates for individual coverage. However well it may be for the economy, these are systemic problems that have existed since WW2. And they are getting worse. I am not for abolishing all social and public works projects. Is it realistic to overturn Obamacare now? Not at all. The president is not going to cave on his signature law. What will happen, I suspect, will be much like the New Deal. The legislation will be eroded over time. Whether or not this will empower the people to multi-generational debt, I'm not certain. What I am certain of, is from a purely political perspective, "closing down (80% is still open)" the government and risking the default now would be treacherous. Clinton did leave the country with a balanced budget. It was immediately squandered by massive counter-terrorism and war spending, as well as the subsequent bailouts. Right now, John Kerry recently went to Afghanistan to beg Karzai to allow us to stay there after 2014. They pulled this stunt on Iraq, but they would have none of it. At some point, a nation is only sovereign once we leave. From a foreign policy perspective, there is absolutely no difference between Bush and Obama. You will recall Biden stating emphatically, during the debates, all troops out by 2014, to Paul Ryan. Why are negotiating for legal immunity and a permanent presence, after 12 years of occupation? Because we are empire.

I find this more perplexing than any possible political issue. I also question the president's authority. Among his first executive orders was to close down Gitmo and it was never done. I'd like to know whose in charge of this administration and the prior ones. Hopefully not our creditors. We agree on the fundamentals, however.

If they really wanted to cut out the middle man on health insurance, they would allow competition across state lines, but prevent mergers and LBO's. Or they could have expanded Medicare to the entire population or implement through Veteran's Affairs. This was never done, and it was explicitly done to maintain insurance company leverage.

What I understand, from what I've been hearing, those who stand to benefit the most from this law, such as residents close to New York City, are being told some letter is in the mail that never comes. I called and asked about the program because I'm on an individual direct HMO and run my own small SMB. I'm being gouged by overpricing due to Manhattan spendthrifts. In any event, I waited 45 minutes on the phone with this MAJOR insurance company, and the reply was to go to their AHA website instead. When I asked what the URL was the guy didn't even know. And I'm still waiting for the letter in the mail.

The only thing healthcare.gov does, for individual policy holders, is to give a price quote and save the data. I have yet to find out if this is because one should seek out the insurance themselves in January 2013, or, if, by registering for this site, I will be automatically enrolled.

So yes, there are systemic problems. If there was a massive impetus to created mandated healthcare, it should have been single payer or bust. You are right when you say this is windfall. Most people are not sick, and for so long as this is the case, the law is a bit of a farce. The arguments about it seem to be political posturing for the mid-terms and the general election.

Any political analyst will tell you that the Republican Party is getting hammered in the polls.

No to raise the debt ceiling, though, would be a death nail for the US credit rating. If its downgraded again, massive economic problems will ensue worldwide. Like I wrote, there is still a remote chance to balance the budget over the next 10 years. This does require Congress submitting a budget in the absence one submitted by the president.

The continuing resolutions that were passed, if the poop hit the fan, violates the tradition of a normal budgetary process, and leaves the nation with less transparency and more speculation about how this money is really being sent.

I think u purposely understate the fiscal issues.

The government is not responsible. The government has ruined our future, as will become more apparent as the unworkability of SS, SS D, Medicare, obamacare, QE 1, QE 2 and and on and on unfolds.

You put the solution in the future and attack the few who draw the line now. This is very human and understandable. But you assign treturousness to the wrong parties. The treterous are those who maintain the status quo, keep on the same road.

"...it is also a democratic Republic."??????????



FALSE.

We are a Constitutional Republic.

And then you follow up with a comparison of how well democracy is working out in Latin American countries???

Wow.

Exercise Liberty...but do it wisely.


America Rising.
The Constitution Stands.

"That the pen is mightier than the sword would be proven false; if I should take my sword and cut off the hand that holds the pen" - American Nomad

CIA World Factbook

Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition

In the past, the US has been described as a representative Constitutional republic, a federal republic, and a Constitutional democratic federal republic.

Prior to 1864, you cannot deny that the form of government we had was different. In fact, state legislatures appointed the Congress, women lacked voting rights, and blacks were still subjected to institutionalized slavery.

Yea, you sure did...

digress. You were all over the map.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

Nope.

Too many people are dependent. Human nature does not change, you domesticate half your citizens and they will attack the other half every time they try to rally.

No train to Stockholm.

Speak for yourself

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3%

3%

3% did the job.
3% will do it once again!

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There is complete disregard

There is complete disregard for the value of American lives inside our own country. Government employees are willing to kill it's own people without reasonable cause.

Individuals will soon be forced to open carry in public to defend themselves and each other when government employees attack.

SWAT teams rule the country...

Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves.

SOULFLY - Master Of Savagery

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They don't rule. They are enforcement arms.

Those who rule are specific central bankers, specific corporate leaders, and specific people.

Nothing will change unless the people go after them.

Well said Athan

Perhaps the best comment of the day.
Thank you.

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No, not yet. When there is

No, not yet. When there is talk all over and protests ect, then maybe. I doubt it will sneak up quietly.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.