12 Million to WIN!!!!! Remember that?
The Paul Campaign asked for 12 Million at the start of the 3rd Quarter.........What did they get ? Try 18.5 Million!!!! The campaign said 12 million to WIN!!! We blew past that number but the grassroots has NOT been rewarded with a win. Yes I know all about Voter Fraud. But I also know all about the reports of lack of organization from the campaign. I also know about the low grade radio and television advertisements that resembled NOTHING to what captured the interest of the grassroots on the internet. I also know about poor judgement by the campaign for spending time and energy and opening offices and wasting money in the state of SC for a LOUSY 4%!!! This was disaterous because NV was there for the taking if the campaign had foregone SC. The very same mistake is happening now because Ron Paul should be in Maine this very moment and is not. If you think I'm whining, I'm not...........I'm pointing out something very very wrong with this strategy. Look at the big lift that Mike Huckabee got from winning IOWA. Ron Paul needs a win BIG TIME.........He needs a win more than he needs that extra five million. If he got that win then MONEY would start flowing again.........Huckabee is only 7 hundred thousand behind us right now..........and that's with us having a big 1.85 million dollar day. Without that day we would be behind Huckabee by over a MILLION!!! I do not want to come accross as a whiner or complainer........I am pointing out why it's getting harder and harder to raise money. His campaign needs to come through and figure out how to get his supporters a WIN!!! Do I canvas? YES Do I support Ron Paul? YES Do I have my head in the sand? NO Is it getting harder for me to get people to support Ron Paul when they notice he isn't winning and hasn't won a thing? YES..........that's why WE NEED a WIN and should have already gotten one in NV. Sorry, but I'm seriously frustrated with the official campaign...........I so hope they make me eat my words.
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MOMENTUM!
Well...
I have a very hard time believing that we have a right to know how he spends the money we donate to him. We give it to him because we know he can be trusted. He has proven that for over 20 years, so he's already been verified.
I also know he has flown all around the country on a non-stop basis. He has purchased TV air time (maybe not in YOUR state, yet) and has had to pay for someone to make those commercials. He has rented out rooms for after-voting rallies, pre- and after-debate speeches, etc. He has also paid for an hour of TV time to talk to citizens before the FOX debate in which he was excluded.
But the most important thing is he knows we're all tired. This final push up to Super Tuesday and through November is the hardest, and he has to save money just in case we get tired, even though he is still going. You're not giving him credit for not being broke like the other campaigns. He NEEDS the money for Super Tuesday. Thank God he didn't spend all of it in the earlier states.
We've basically told him, "Here's some money. Win on this budget." How fast do you see his meter rising today? Hardly any.
If he loses, it's our fault. His entire campaign relies on us, rather than PAC's or lobbyists. And we're too f---ing pathetic to fund it.
Freedom and peace for the world is obviously not worth as much as the sentence "Jesus was too smart to run for office."
yeah, look at huckabee....
he is loosing!... Paul knows what he's doing, please just keep donating.
"This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave."
Maine
Ron will be in Maine tomorrow..
http://www.ronpaulhive.com/hive/?page_id=29
Please appreciate how well we are doing considering what we are up against as we knew we would be from the start.
When RP ran as a libertarian he only got 500K votes... think about that!
From what I read, RP should
From what I read, RP should have come in number 1 in the state of LA, and would have if not for the other candidate supporters who ganged up on him to beat him though(using the pro-life slate to beat him) to steal his thunder in an underhanded and cheap way. And there are still a lot of provisional ballots there to be counted that could boost RP even more.
People also complain about NH and how RP should have done better tehre, but you have to take into account two things there at least, not long before polls opened, that Giuliani supporter who managed to get CNN to run that hit piece against RP concerning the old newsletters, that surely did not help RP there to have a big controversy right before people went to vote in NH. Plus, the vote fraud that is said to have happened there.
Delegates
most people pay no attention to the primaries (to all of our detriment) and many vote for who they are told to by others. don't stress. just be praying, if you do, donating, telling EVERYONE you know, emailing people spread the word (especially to Christians, who have the ability to unite and swing things quickly if the right people endorse) and do what you can to BECOME A DELEGATE!
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different sets of rules
You a talking as if Dr. Paul is being given the same playing field as the other candidates, he is not and that is the real explanation for the perceived level of success for this campaign. You are evaluting from the box that the MSM, RNC and Election Commission have created for Ron, you believe what they are reporting is pure truth and that the numbers are accurate. If this was the case then it would make sense to direct blame towards campaign HQ, all the candidates are getting an equal portion of steak so it has to them.
Then there are those who are not operating in the box and know the hidden truth is this campaign has double the success that is actually being reported and the blame is rightfully directed towards those that have hijacked the process. Campaign HQ has the impossible task of dealing with unimaginable hostility at every turn with absolutely no help from the MSM, the RNC and a fraudulent Election Commission that has already been caught rigging ballots in New Hampshire.
So when you judge the spending of money in comparison to the other campaigns this one has done a good job.
Jim Gilmore is gone
Sam Brownback is gone
Tom Tancredo is gone
Alan Keyes is gone
Duncan Hunter is gone
Fred Thompson is gone
Rudy Ghuliani will very likely be gone before Super Tuesday
Mike Huckabee may be gone shortly after Super Tuesday
For Ron Paul to at least be in position for a possible 3-way battle with John McCain and Mitt Romney leading to a brokered convention is an incredible achievement. So far I would say it is money well spent.
well said Fountainhead
you make good points.
this guy is drunk...
Please people...let this thread die.
Obviously, he just wants to be right...not open to receiving information.
Probably liquored up.
This post is reasonable
quite a few people doubt HQ's ability to drive the campaign. We have no clue how and what HQ spend such money.
Also blimp helped nothing on Ron Paul in early state, period. Save money on better usage, like local newspaper ad and TV ad.
Ron Paul, the Thomas Jefferson in 21st century
You still don't trust RP?
I've thought Ron Paul has been wrong about a few things, every time I end up being schooled. Why don't you consider that maybe that people are a bit smarter than you, or at the very least have a different strategy than the blaringly obvious and unworkable one you think is the path.
Look, we are underdogs. We have to play the underdog strategy and it has worked out pretty well. Winning big time in the early states would have been great, but it was never realistic, despite the frenzy that people had worked themselves into. Some people actually believed that the results were going to look like the internet votes with RP smashing everybody for an easy win. There were 11 candidate at the start, with RP looking like he was one of the least likely. Giuliani looked like a shoe-in. (The beginning of the end came from him the night he contested RP on foreign policy), we are down 5. Huckabee won't last, the sooner he is out the better for us. Giuliani won't be able to last but hopefully he'll be able to last out Super Tuesday because he siphons votes from both McCain and Romney but none from us. At the end of Super Tuesday 3 men will be standing, RP will be one of them. He will still have some money, and the "late states" are his prime hunting grounds. He doesn't have to win anything, all he has to do is stay in the hunt after Super Tuesday and he is set to take the come from behind win.
What we need, is some faith, continued support, realistic expectations and rationality. What we don't need is more criticism, doubt, and unrealistic expectations based on emotional wants.
I think we are in great shape, much better than if we had spent are money early, won an early state and having nowhere to go but down, We would be like Huckabee, one oar in the water but nowhere to go.
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both
Brother, I was just about to
Brother, I was just about to post this same reply, but you said it better than I could have. For cryin' out loud, there's some things that people seem to forget, and that is that our dear Dr. Ron has won TEN elections! Do you know anybody else who has done that? AND, he's done it against the most intense opposition from EVERYBODY, even HIS OWN PARTY! Quit second guessing the man and go along for the ride. If he's dumber than you, then you should run yourself. And maybe you ARE smarter than him, but you're certainly not more experienced. Let's dig deep and keep this thing going and rely on the person we think can be our president to at least run a campaign, huh?
www.paulforronpaul.com
If I'm wrong
It wouldn't be the first time.........NOR the last. I'm not afraid to be wrong. I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong on this one. The campaign did say 12 million to win........did it not? Now it's saying......5 million? I really really hope we all can come up with that amount..........though it looks bleak at the moment. I should be shot for having that opinion huh? Does the campaign think that it will be easier to raise money the longer it goes without any wins? Maybe that's there strategy........
baubaublacksheep
Here is where I disagree with you
You said, "I'm pointing out something very very wrong with this strategy. Look at the big lift that Mike Huckabee got from winning IOWA."
Huckabee won because he said he was an evangelical. That is ALL he ran on, and Iowa is FULL of them, that's why he won.
You have to define "win". If you mean first place, that is a long shot. If you're talking about winning as getting the message of freedom and liberty out, then that to me is winning. What's the point of having an apathetic, uninformed, tabloid-faithful voter?
Another thing: unless you have actually ran a campaign or been involved closely enough to discuss a strategy, you really have no basis on which to make your assumptions.
I've been in politics my entire life. Ron is doing enough to "stand out". He needs to spend the money, yes, but I would rather him get 2nd or 3rd in the other states rather than 1st in one. Super Tuesday will determine a lot. It's too late to go back in time and reevaluate everything. So, basically, calm down and start pumping out more signs.
Helping to Restore the Republic.
Huckabee Won
because ALL AT ONCE the ENTIRE MEDIA in lockstep with one another started talking about him POSITIVLY.........on every show, on every network.........INCLUDING TALK RADIO. He's a member of the CFR and the mass media is riddled with CFR membership. Do some research and see for yourself..........It happened POOF out of no where. In fact it was reported HERE on the dailypaul right before the VALUEVOTERS straw poll that the media was going to start pushing Mike Huckabee and sure enough, whomever posted that was CORRECT. At the time he was polling around the same and was considered a NOBODY like Paul. But at least Paul was pulling in the money..........this was around the time that it was reported that the Paul campaign raised just over 5 million for a quarter.........at that time THAT was big news. Mike Huckabee's win wasn't because all of a sudden evangelical's suddenly all at once started to like Huckabeee.........It's because the mainstream media CREATED his hype for him.
baubaublacksheep
actually
it was an email list to evangelicals that started the 'surge', the MSM just accelerated it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12...
NOTE: When Ron Paul 'surges', the MSM will help accelerate it too.
the only reason huckabee won
the only reason huckabee won was because he sucked up the cfr and then lamestream media pushed him to that lonely win! think about it!
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I don't doubt it..........
still so many people DO NOT get the CFR connection with all these candidates except of course Ron Paul who is not a member. To recap........the CFR contains members from current and former elected government officials as well as current and former media moguls and executives as well as many talking heads and reporters. Think about that for a second..........Something wrong here? How can we rely on truthtelling with our media when they are in bed with the politicians? Our media's headquarters should be run directly out of the PENTAGON!
baubaublacksheep
We are just getting started
Ron Paul is still in the race. Isn't that enough. Everybody that was even close to him is gone. The money, the support is helping and it is working. Ron Paul may not even win one state but he will place.
The media has planted the negativity in the minds of all the brain dead MSM news watchers. Joe and Jane Public haven't yet figured out that the same people that said Rudy was the going the be the hands down Republican nominee are the same people that said Ron Paul can't win. That's what they said...Rudy can't loose and Ron can't win.
This campaign has played so smart. Why waste money trying to go head to head with Romney. They could have spent 50 million in Iowa and still lost to Huckabee. Why? Because the Evangelicals that voted for Huckster support the war. They weren't going to vote for Ron Paul. Thank God for saving that money. New Hampshire was a disappointment no doubt, but again I blame the MSM for the lack of face time and real respect for the intellect and the person of Ron Paul.
Michigan was all Mitt Romney's. Michigan wants jobs, they will do anything to get them. Michigan figured that a guy from Michigan would really look out for them in the White House. Of course they were wrong, Mitt Romney will say and do anything to get elected.
South Carolina, again are you going to throw money at a brick wall? Huckabee and Thompson were to strong there for the same reasons as Iowa. McCain got sympathy from the party loyalist the snubbed him in 2000. Why fight that?
Florida, Romney is spending something like over 7 million in TV. Let him spend his money to knock out the "front runner" John McCain and put the nail in the coffin that is Rudy Giuliani. Not to mention taking some air out of Huckabee. The media is already kicking Huck under the bus.
Ron Paul is playing to go all the way. They have built an organization of over 300 staff. They are doing all the work to be on all the ballots in all the states. They are adding top advisors to the campaign almost daily. If you want more....than send them more money.
This is the most brilliant strategy, given the limited resources compared the others. Don't forget that these other campaigns are flying the media around with them, feeding them and shmoozing. That's one of the things that gets the others more coverage.
Keep fighting, keep supporting it is going to go all the way to the convention. Anything can happen at a brokered convention. Do you think that any one of the Repubs that has any wish to win the election, thinks they can win the presidency with a pro-war candidate.
Remember, collectivly we have not raised nearly the kind of money that McCain, Romney and Giuliani have rasied in total, and Huck is almost done. I think that we have done great. Want better, send more money. Pay for the plane to fly the elete media around the country.
Keep the faith, send money and stop complaining
unreasonableman
well
I don't think there was anything RP could to to win NV. Romney got 54% which includes 95% of the Mormon vote, which made up 25% of the electorate.
I think the biggest problem RP has is that he's playing catchup. Just think in Louisiana you had to be a registered republican by Nov 30 of last year for their recent caucus. Another month to register supporters and RP could have probably swept LA's delegates.
You've got to remember that 18.5 million is a pittance compared to the free MSM coverage the other candidates have gotten.
And think about this...
Remember Huckabee's surge? Well, where is he now? He's about to be written off.
I too question RP's strategy, but think about this. He's planning for a brokered convention. Now I'm not in political inner circles to know how a brokered convention totally works, but imagine if Ron Paul comes to the table with 180,000 precinct leaders ready to put him in the White House.
I don't know, will the establishment do everything they can to keep him out? Or will the Republican party be looking for their savior?
Consider this:
in 2000: 573,101 republicans participated in their primary
in 2008: 442,918 turned out (bush wasn't contested in 2004
In 2008 530,322 democrats turned out at the primary
in 2004 272,175 turned out.
In 2004 Bush won the state by 276,275 votes.
In 2000 Bush won it by 226683.
South Carolina will be in play this fall, especially if Obama is on the ticket. Who is the only candidate that can win the conservative base and the independents? It's not McCain or Huckabee and definitely not Romney.
Romney got 51%
Around 23,000 votes. Paul got just over 6,100 votes with just 2 campaign offices. Add another 3 offices that were in SC to NV now we're up to over 15,000 votes. I'm not sure how many visits RP made to South Carolina but I think total probably a weeks worth. Add a weeks worth of visits to NV and a bit more organization I think Ron Paul could have gotten another 8,000 votes to knock off Romney.
baubaublacksheep
I think you over estimate
I think you over estimate the ability the campaign offices have.
If you want numbers closer to reality, you need to compare how well RP did in the district that had the campaign office to the ones that didn't.
a true ron paul supporter
a true ron paul supporter keeps another ron paul supporter's hopes alive. it's bad enough MSM and other politicians trying tear our revolution apart, and here you are. pls don't be part of them.
don't put us down, instead help us up.
before you posted this whiney little bitch-fest
did you ask yourself how it would help the campaign?
Yea
I did. Im hoping that maybe they would READ IT!!!! I've spoken to the campaign before and they told me they actually do monitor this site. I know I'm right about the NV/SC deal. We would be sitting here with an outright WIN right now instead of NADA. We could also have Maine in the bag if he was there! Huck's in GA.....why aren't we in Maine? There is no excuse for it. So, yea............I hope this whiney little bitch-fest helps.
baubaublacksheep
So, if the official campaign reads your post
what will they get out of it?
I don't see one good suggestion or idea in what you wrote... all you do is complain.
playing the blame game is for losers.
you say that you don't want to come across as a whiner and a complainer, but that is exactly what you are.
Ummm, If you can't tell........
I'm hoping they get Ron Paul to Maine!!!!!! That's what I'm hoping for. Maine is just 3 days after FL and is the final state until FEB 5. Nothing else is going on that day either........all coverage will be on Maine. If Paul were to WIN that state it would be HUGE!!! Then Feb 5 really comes into play. There are many many people out there sitting on the fence about Ron Paul.........Most people aren't like you and I who are paying attention. Other than that.........you tell me why it's getting harder and harder to raise money. I remember back in Oct and Nov almost daily Paul was pulling in anywhere from 40 to 80 thousand bucks EVERY single DAY. Now? not even half that amount. So, something's happened. You tell me what it is. Of course If you tell me what it is, you're being negative and being a whiner which you can't do or else you will get called out by someone like yourself. And I knew I would come accross as a whiner and a complainer to SOME which is why I put that in there. I know a thing or two about human behavior and predicting how people will react isn't hard at all. But, read all the posts and you will see that not everyone agrees...........There are plenty that think I've got valid points.
baubaublacksheep
Ron *will be in Maine!*
I got this in my email on Saturday and I'm not even in Maine!....are you not keeping up with your own state's activities?
Pine Tree State supporters, come out to see Dr. Paul at three events on Monday:
8:30am – 9:15am ET
Portland Ron Paul Office Grand Opening
437 Congress Street, Portland, ME
(Open to the General Public, Supporters, and the Press)
9:30am – 10:30am ET
Ron Paul Addresses Southern Maine University
Hannaford Lecture Hall, Abromson Community Education Center
88 Bedford Street on the USM Campus in Portland, Maine
(Open to students, faculty, the general public, and the press)
11:30am – 12:30pm ET
Ron Paul Press Conference at the Maine State Capitol Building
Hall of Flags, Maine State House, 210 State Street, Augusta, Maine
(Open to the Public)
RP2012!
The very best thing you can
The very best thing you can organize is ads in the newspapers every day, If they keep seeing it in print they will think it is real. Maine is doing a lot of things, and RP himself would not be as effective as ads in the paper, every day. If you want him to win Maine, find a way to get that together. If he does not win 5 states, he can not be part of the brokered convention even if no one else gets 51% of the votes. If no one else is doing what you think will make him win in Maine..do what you can. Put him in newspapers. Write letters to editors. Put in a personals ad in the classifieds..anything will help.
This is about waking people up, so they can suffer like we do about the horrid direction our free country is heading. It is not really a pretty thing.
:)
I don't see them getting anything out of your posts either....
One of the biggest things that will hurt the campaign is not being realistic,and living in la la land,with rose colored glasses on....
Apathy,fear ,non effort,attacking other supporters,will take care of the rest...