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The journey is yours, and yours alone.

If you understand that, then you understand Freedom.

If you understand that the consequences of your choices and decisions are yours and yours alone, and you can deal with that terror...


http://youtu.be/ZHadPUkzdc4

...if you can roll with that and accept that, and fully own that, then you might have a chance at knowing what real freedom is.

Most of the people here are nowhere near that. Babes in the woods. Driven by their emotions. Still stuck on Fox News.

Unwilling to accept the consequences.

Of the fact.

That it's a long road.

And there's no turning back.

Embrace freedom! Embrace your destiny!

Throw off your chains and live!



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For some reason

your post made me think of this one.

Hands on the Wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71cIYDnDZUk

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

"No one is coming."

That's one of my favorite quotes by Nathaniel Branden. He means that no one is coming to save you. Once you realize that, you feel free. Free to do whatever you want.

On a related note, that's why I find nihilism kinda optimistic, and not pessimistic, as most people do. If there is no meaning to any of this, to existence, to life, to why we are here, then you can create whatever meaning you want. You are free. You can make mistakes, but you can't make wrong choices. Whatever path you take, it's a good path. It's your path. And once you fall in love with your chosen path, or many paths, for there does not have to be just one, you will realize that other people feel the same way about theirs. That is my basis for natural rights. Other people love their life just as much as I love mine. I can relate to them. Empathize. Light up my mirror neurons. And not feel alone.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

'Whatever path...

...you take, it's a good path.'

This is what I find so depressing about nihilism. In the end, Hitler's path was not really any 'better' or 'worse' than Jefferson's path. Ron Paul's path will have been neither 'better' nor 'worse' than a murderous authoritarian's. We may as well pack up the Liberty tents and call it a day.

In the end, it's all meaningless rearrangements of atoms and molecules and energy.

When we dethrone Love as transcendent and put cold, lifeless nothing in its place, I find that horrific. Especially when you and others sound as if you would prefer eternal death and meaninglessness over eternal Love and life. If it makes me a 'flat-earther' to actually believe that Love is real and first and greatest, then so be it. :)

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'There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.' (Solomon, Prov. 14:12)

I am sorry that you completely missed my point

But you know what, that's ok :) If love being transcendent gives you meaning, by all means, preach it that way. That's what I was trying to say. You are free to choose that meaning and to preach it to others.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

I am sorry...

...if I missed it, as well. It seemed like you were saying that the lack of meaning in life frees us up to be able to choose any path, without it being wrong, without any meaning chaining us down to worry about ultimate repercussions.

This is how I see our two different approaches (please correct me on yours if needed):

nihilism

- our lives (and all things) are meaningless

- we choose whatever 'meaning' we want to pretend they have

- reality then rises up to drown out this pretense in the end

- the gaping mouth of the void is waiting to swallow all of these illusions, as we die off

transcendent, eternal Love

- we are free to journey through our existences and discover our own paths of development

- reality rises up, revealing the shortcomings of our paths, but drawing us closer to Truth and Love in the process

- the open arms of Love are waiting to embrace us, as we leave behind non-Love in our development (the process is more difficult, painful, convoluted and protracted to the degree we tightly grasp that non-Love)

Notice that both of our approaches allow people freedom to choose their paths -- it's just that one view ends up with everything swallowed by death; the other ends up with everything lifted up by Love into fuller and deeper Life. :)

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Life is empty and meaningless

And it is empty and meaningless that it is empty and meaningless.

You are free to fill it with what you want, what is of value to you.

That is the kind of optimism I find in nihilism. I think we're on the same page there.

Whatever path you take, it's a good path. It's your path. And once you fall in love with your chosen path, or many paths, for there does not have to be just one, you will realize that other people feel the same way about theirs.

My first exposure to any of these ideas was as a green 19-year old, from this book:

To a straight-laced, toe-the-line, logic-oriented, solid-A good-student, that book was a revolution. It set off little explosions in my mind that got bigger and bigger!

I also like this quote from Osho, that telepathic introduced me to yesterday:

"I am not a philosopher, I am not a systematizer; I am absolutely anarchistic, as anarchistic as life itself. I don't believe in systems. I am a nonsystematic, anarchistic flow; I am not even a person, just a process. I don't know what I said to you yesterday, and the person who said it is not here to answer; he is gone. I am here, and I am answerable only for this moment. So don't wait for tomorrow because I will not be here. And who is going to make consistency, who is going to find a thread that is not contradictory? There is nobody. And I would like you to be the same."

Thank you.

He's the man.

When...

...you say we fill our meaningless lives with something, do you mean that we just pretend that there is actually 'value' or 'meaning' there, and then we just die and the pretense dissipates into nothing? Death conquers all our illusions in the end? Is it really all just a land of make-believe, where we play dress-up, knowing it's all really a sham?

I can't find true joy in any of that.

You've got to walk that lonesome valley...


http://youtu.be/BcbqCssiBUc

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It is mine...

and I'll say how I feel,
teach what is real,
kiss and hug my children a thousand times a day...

I've never had much respect for boundaries...in college my poetry teacher ridiculed my work as abstract and not to measure...I took a total of 16 hours of piano lessons and said hell with it and taught myself...

I'll state my own message and live my own life.

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Michael Nystrom's picture

There's never turning back

It is only an illusion that you can turn back.

Jay Gatsby suffered from that illusion. He honestly didn't get it. He thought you could turn back time.

He's the man.
Michael Nystrom's picture

Everyone's got their own, customized, personal journey.

You've got yours. I've got mine. Adam has his (come man, you're not out to be a martyr, are you Adam?) Ron Paul has his.

Et cetera.

All we can pray for is that we have the courage to face what we are presented with.


http://youtu.be/kvM6TxUnCDE

He's the man.
Michael Nystrom's picture

David Byrne is awesome

And that's all I've got to say about that.

Goodnight.

He's the man.

Same as it ever was...

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And he's still cool as shit

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