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G. Edward Griffin sez the strawman is all hokum

IS THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT A CORPORATION?
IF TRUE, SO WHAT?

© 2007 by G. Edward Griffin. Revised 2007 December 17.

A common assertion made by those who are unhappy with the declining state of freedom in America is that this can be traced to an 1871 act of Congress that established Washington DC and, at the same time, converted the United States from a constitutional republic to a corporation.

Secondary claims attached to this hypothesis are that this is the reason the official wording was changed from Constitution for The United States of America to Constitution of The United States of America and also why all capital letters are used in the name instead of upper and lower case letters. They claim that this Act of 1871 abolished the original constitutional government and created a legal fiction that became financially indebted to and controlled by international bankers.

A forceful example of this view can be found on the Internet at www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm.

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You're a trove of nonsense

So rape and spousal abuse are commercial events? Don't bother sharing any more of your brilliance, we mere mortals can't understand it.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

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In America it is according to the code. You don't understand because you are a true believer in government religion. It's against your beliefs to accept truths out side your box.

There is no constitutional court in the USA. There is no court that conforms to article III section 2 of the US constitution. All courts are administrative actors. They all have costumes on.

Lawful and legal are not the same words.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/72.11

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No, the difference is

Ivevactually read and studied the codes and know what they apply to. You get your legal education from YouTube then parrot what you've been told by fools.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

okay

I agree with the title of your post, but you're here peddling your own snake oil, quite obviously.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

If it were just snake oil...

It wouldn't be the law. Enjoy your federal citizenship.

"Let those who wish to be desieved be desieved." ~ A maxim of law

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how bout this one

"'reliance on old maxims is now deprecated"

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

no wonder you fail so bad

Doing law without maxims is like doing geometry without axioms. You are a fool. You have traded the rule of law for the rule of man.

Psycho chicken's laws:
-Be buddies with the judge so he will like me and listen to what I have to say.
-Only use codes as law and refer only to case law regardless of its consistency within all law.
-Call everyone an idiot who does not enslave themselves to millions of pages of unlawful codes

You do not understand the logic foundations of law and why maxims are there. You absolutely fail. I don't think you get where we are going. We will be free even if that means we have to hunt down every single criminal bring them before the jury for a proper trial and give them the death penalty to remove them from existence. There will be no more tolerance for your criminal kind. The people will hold complete sovereignty, the system will limit their duties to a valid cause of action by the governed and no other outcome will be acceptable. You and your kind will simply be a speed bump in our way to complete justice. When the government fears the people there is liberty. We will have liberty and the bureaucrats will be the servants or they will be thrown out on their butts, thrown in prison if they commit criminal acts or given the death penalty if they physically injure someone. Every individual is responsible for their own actions including the bureaucrats.

We are only at the very beginning. I don't think you have any idea of our capabilities and how rapidly these capabilities are growing. There will be no mercy for your criminal kind.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Ancient maxims

Have very little use in law practice . They are not specific enough. Relying on them is a good way to,lose. There have been many articles written on it. So again knock yourself out.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

No law can violate any other law

Again you have shown yourself to not even understand what the word Law actually means.

"Articles" by the tyrants for the tyrants all designed to inch their way to more power and control all while ignoring that each individual holds equal sovereignty with the power of accusation and liability for their own actions.

Did you ever consider the fact that tyrants write "articles" or "law" to ensure more usurpations and abuses? Clearly it is a fact in law that this does indeed happen and it is also law that we have the right and duty to throw off such abusive tyrants. Did you ever consider that these abuses and usurpations happen on a daily basis and to suffering of the people who are more disposed to suffer than to right the wrongs against them? Even though victory comes when the revolution wins it does not mean that everything was lawful before the revolution ignites. Revolution comes only after the ongoing crimes become intolerable to be free and independent people. You are like the tories who wanted the chains to rest lightly upon your wrists.

There comes a point where good people reject the words of tyrants and institute new to most effect our safety and happiness. That time is now.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Well in the real world

Specific trumps general. In fact, that in itself is a legal maxim!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You are right that to wal

You are right that to walk into a courtroom spouting maxims is a stupid idea that get you nowhere. I don't know anyone, here or elsewhere, who would suggest that. But a maxim is:

1. an expression of a general truth or principle, esp. an aphoristic or sententious one.
2. a principle or rule of conduct.

Go get a dictionary and stop arguing about nonsense. And stop being so angry.

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I know one

Who suggests that in this very thread.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Ok so no proof then?

Just more ad nominees? Got it. Thanks, phooldom

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Yes no proof by you

You and any others claiming to be "courts" have not and cannot provide proof of consent of the governed for any court action of victimless "crimes". I know your fraud and the tolerance for its continuance is done. Expect revolution to come directly to the courts. Let your criminal buddies know we the people are coming for them.

We have the numbers and we will bring all of you to justice. All you and the courts have to do is keep committing your tyranny upon the population and everyone will then seek answers for real rational thought to prevail and you assholes will run out of time. When the time is gone, you and the rest of your criminal buddies will go to prison, the gallows or cower in hiding from the real long arm of the law; We the People. Just keep doing what you are doing and your criminal tyranny will drive the sheep to the shepherds who will demonstrate the simple rational and consistent basis of law and poof your done.

I did provide you proof of the strawman directly from Black's Law Dictionary. I guess that is not a valid enough source for you. I think you were just expecting some other answer other than what is.

I provided proof of US corp and you were so stupid that you thought Duns numbers are housing reports. HAHAHA. You got lost in woods of law books written to control your mind while the rest of us are actually out here making things happen in the real world through actual lawful means.

You have to be the absolute worst lawyer I have ever heard before. You are worse than the Mr. DUI or 1-800-AM-chaser types.

We are coming for your removal and nothing less. The more you fight the will of the people and our laws the more painful it will be for everyone. Tyranny, fascism and levying war against us by you and your criminal buddies will not be tolerated any more.

All of your bullshit will mean nothing as the floor drops from your feet and the rope stretches your neck with only 1 single possible lawful outcome; justice served.

There will be no mercy. We will win either way. It is a mathematical certainty.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Ya got me with that one. I

Ya got me with that one. I can't do any better. You must have been right all along.

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ok

stipulated. But superfluity does not vitiate.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

This is well explained

by the late Bill Foust, who was killed in his driveway for refusing to bow down to a page officer trying to force him to show his ID. I like Griffin, but he is very stubborn in his beliefs, and will never admit he is wrong, even if empirical evidence is shown. Watch and learn, as Bill explains it very well with good humor. http://awakenvideo.org/2013/02/eighteenseventyone/

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Bill Foust had it right on the money. No lawyers are gonna take my money ever again. They can all burn in hell.

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Sad case

He thought that watching known fraud Winston shroud would teach him something useful. Ended up a martyr in his own mind, but a sad sacrifice to nothing in reality. Go ahead, recruit some more statistics for your cult. u are not working for freedom, you're working for stupidity. And you maybe the sovereign of that.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

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Bill has no more bills to pay. No more alarm clocks to wake up to. No more responsibilities. He was gunned down for being himself and no one else. Have some respect for the dead. Your outcome is not going to be as fair as you might anticipate.

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I doubt it

I really am open minded. I'm gonna listen to this, but mainly because it is a sort of hobby of mine to keep up on this nonsense.

i'm about a half minute into this, not exactly, but he's already so full of it.

He's said several things that are just not right, and in fact are outrageously, incredibly laughable.

He'd better make some good points before it starts to sound like on eof Phreedom's posts.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Okay, listened to his first two videos

He's just wrong.

he's a nice guy, speaks well, seems reasonably intelligent. Makes some well-timed jokes.

But he's wrong.

He apparently has spent countless hours on this, yet for some reason has not asked some important questions. And because of that, he's wrong.

He thinks each of us individually is a sovereign. The founders intended that the people held the sovereignty jointly, not individually.

He also thinks that "consent of the governed" means you get to consent after the law is passed, on an individual basis.

Most of his errors flow from this.

But he tells some other real boners. Like the idea that if one puts something in brackets it is not a part of a contract, the idea that there are two constitutions, etc.

He's just wrong.

Now I;m not saying that it might be wonderful for us all to be sovereigns and to live in such a world with such a constitution and laws that meant what he says they do. But, he's wrong.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I demand proof of claim

"The founders intended that the people held the sovereignty jointly, not individually."

1. A precise list of members who constitute the group "founders."
2. All members of the group "founders" intended what you assert.
3. All members of the group "founders" possessed inherent authority to bind any non-constituent to any agreement.
4. Constituents possessed inherent authority to bind any unknown, unborn entities to any agreement without their consent.

I know you won't meet that burden of proof so I will talk about a case before a state supreme court recently as an analogy. Apparently the defendant signed a waiver for a speedy trial. It seems later the defendant revoked consent for the speedy trial waiver. It seems the case was appealed on grounds the trial court was in error allowing the speedy trial to continue when the defendents counsel disagreed because it prejudiced the defendant receiving effective assistance of counsel.

Guess what ... it appears the principle is consent can be revoked at any time so tough shit defendant, live with it because you demanded a speedy trial in open court. Then we have clowns like the OP who want to lead people to believe they can not revoke consent even if they were never a competent consenting actor who received a full and honest disclosure in the first place.

blabber

does drool ever come out of your mouth while you type this stuff?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Yet another post

without any evidence.

The evidence is all around you

You are subject to whatever jurisdiction a legislature is able to put a jack boot in your face.

That's what governmental power is. The power to harm with legal impunity.

Governmental power exists by the legislatures ability to initiate violence upon you to enforce their will.

Is it rightful? NO! But it does exist.

Evidence? What evidence?

I thought , from your example that when discussing the straw man one doesn't need evidence.

Instead your formula seems to be:

1. Go to a website where people are libertarian or right wing and not mainstream, then
2. Attack the common enemy of the site (bad govt usually), then
3. Offer a proof- free panacea to those in difficult circumstances who might lack the mental faculties to be sufficiently skeptical, then,
4. Shout down anyone asking for an explanation, proof, or evidence

This will turn some off but a few deluded believers will then google your nonsense and end up at a site selling quickie faux law education or worse, selling nonsensical documents that if used will at best be ineffective, and at worst, land one in the pokey!

This results in profits to those in the industry, and provides a diversion to half-wits who can then fantasize they are part of some little club who are the only ones who get it. Oh, and they're sovereigns too, like kings! Wowsy-wow.

Then you repeat as nexesaary

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

dead on

People cannot reconcile their grade school propaganda programming with reality...that they live in an occupied society. That government governs them. That they are not free. That the government enforces its will with violence. So they hear goofball claims and think "AH HA! I am free, but only if I (fill in the blank with fake law bull crap)"

I am doing my best to share the reality of our situation.

EXACTLY!

And that is one of the reasons why that sov cit/ strawman stuff is so dangerous! It gives the impression to its believers that they don't need to change things, that there is already a "perfect" world and they and their little group get to experience it here and now, on the cheap, little effort or expense required. So, instead of perhaps being motivated to speak out, to work for change, to do something beneficial, they just go around promoting their imagined perfect world to others and feeling all smug and superior for it.

I get the atrraction- the system is messed up, the court system is inefficient, expensive, doesn't get it right all the time, leaves people feeling abused, the police are everywhere, the media is in the govts pocket, etc....but none of that means they have the answers.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

What's your answer?

Hire someone like you?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown