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Governor Brown Signs Bill Banning Use of Lead Ammo for Hunting in California

In a move to protect wildlife and the environment, California on Friday became the first state to ban lead in hunting ammunition.

The measure, signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown, phases out lead bullets and shot by July 2019, with regulations due by July 2015.

"Lead poses a danger to wildlife. This danger has been known for a long time," Brown wrote in a signing message, noting that a leading conservation wrote about lead poisoning in 1984. The federal government banned lead ammunition from waterfowl hunting in 1991.

The measure expands an earlier ban on lead hunting ammunition in California condor habitat. The new law covers all wildlife, including "game mammals, game birds, nongame birds and nongame mammals" such as coyotes.

"The risks to California's incredibly diverse wildlife are many," Brown wrote. "We must manage our state's wildlife for the use and enjoyment of all Californians. It is time to begin this transition and provide hunters with ammunition that will allow them to continue the conservation heritage of California."

Brown noted changes to the legislation that "better protect the hunting community," including authorizing the state's Fish & Wildlife director to suspend the ban if the federal government outlaws nonlead ammunition because it can pierce armor.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/11/califor...

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So... depleted uranium in Iraq... good? While...

lead in Cali bad? Interesting.

I wonder, does this "lead Law" apply to the military bases in CA as well?


So it's illegal for hunting, but still legal for self defense, rodent control, and target practice?

Why is that confusing?

Not that I would neccessarily agree with it, but makes sense to me.

As part of shot? then maybe

but it doesn't make much sense for bullets. Further, when they brought in the lead ban for waterfowl, the lighter steel shot that replaced it wounded way more birds. People had to start using T's and BB's just to shoot at similar distances, compared to the 4s and 5s that worked just fine for lead before. Also, substituting with bismuth was another bunch of BS. It's about as toxic as lead, just with less of a bad reputation.

Its because..

of the California Condor.

I come from a family of birders. The California Condor has the largest wingspan of any bird on earth. They are dumb ass birds though. They eat quarters and choke on them. They also eat the lead bullets and the lead kills them.

That whole Darwin theory of natural selection is a bitch. We are literally losing a huge beautiful animal because of our presence. Im not a global warming nutball. Our presence is effecting our environment. The Condor is much like the DoDo bird. They cannot adjust to our presence. Our efforts are futile and I find it hilarious.

Not like I like kicking puppies at all. Jussayin... it is kinda funny. Its like these birds cant survive without our help. Period. We could wipe them out in less than 5 years. Does that make them stop eating lead? Nope. How about choking on loose change? Nope.

We don't ban loose change but they ban lead ammo.

Heart in the right place.. head up the nearest ass.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

That's a load of bs

1. There's ZERO proof of frickin' lead bullets harming condors

2. Condors only live in a section of central California

3. There's an all out assault on guns and gun owners in California

Put these three together and it's not hard to figure out what's going on here.

Once again...

long time fucker here.

Did you even read my post?

Load of BS? You tell me genius... why are the Condors dying?

Had you had a couple synapses snap.. maybe your knee jerk reaction would have been subsided with a moment of clarity or decency. I dont have to call you a piece of shit without you holding the trophy.

Enlighten us wonderful one. My load of BS is based on interaction with these beautiful creatures. Hence my entire argument, you simpleton, ignorant, redneck, vile and obviously obtuse critic.

Our presence is effecting them whether you choose to believe it or not. I just think that they are kinda dumb ass animals. The only reason they are still around are because of the efforts like the patriot my grandmother was. Doesnt mean it will win.. but at least she fought for the cause of life.

I would rather protect the California Condor than your ideology.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul


Or you're full of crap. There is none, so you're full of crap.

You're on the same planet as democrats if you think that there are enough lead bullets from hunting just laying around in the gigantic and vast mountains and hills and valleys and deserts of California to actually do anything to a f'in condor. That's just totally f'ing insane. I hunted in California for YEARS AND YEARS without ever even pulling the gd trigger because there just isn't that much game to hunt. The best spots require days in hikes, and they're all up north. Central California is a pig hunting mecca, but do you think that the bullets end up just laying around on the ground after you shoot an animal???? And condors have been "dying" for 30 years according to the tree huggers in Cali.

The name calling is common on planet Illogica, too...

Here's some proof. Don't worry about the trolls, Nicholson...

They work as a hive which is why their stupid comments like this one get so many upvotes.

Anyway, here's some proof of what you said:

The birds swallow anything that looks like a bone fragment.

Wasn't hard to find this, just googled 'condors swallow' and it came up.

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Ummmm.... I'm sure this will be overturned by then. I hope, anyway.

This will be impossible to enforce

I spent many years hunting all over California and the rampant coyote population MUST be controlled. There are LEGIONS of coyote hunters in CA and there's no way in hell that they are going to stop shooting them. No one is going to follow this in a gigantic, wide open state like CA, and I bet the DFG will have a hard time enforcing it.

Can see this WRT to birds/waterfowl

but it seems like overkill to extend it to bullets and shotgun


What's the price of titanium these days?

you cant swage a bismuth core bullet

Bismuth is brittle.

What will the expect us to use plastic bullets?


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

This law...

does not outlaw the use of lead ammo in California, it only bans it's use for hunting.

If I want to buy some 5.56 green tips to protect my home I'm still good to go.

We don't want the animal to get lead poisoning after being shot.

That would be cruel.

How freaking retarded can

How freaking retarded can they get? Ban lead ammo to protect against lead poisoning by hunters... for f... sake..

I'm not into duck hunting but it's news to me that lead ammo was banned in 91' by the federal government for water fowl hunting.

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Does The Bill Say Anything...?

...regarding the use of depleted uranium ammunition? Hunters adapt pretty quickly ya know.

It might be a good idea to

It might be a good idea to own some armor piercing ammo.

But he favors mercury filled lightbulbs.

Lead, in trace amounts is needed to make the enzyme that prevents DNA from unraveling.

Mercury is just toxic.

Leave it to government. They are sure to screw things up and bring profits to their cronies.

Whenever government intervenes it costs me more.

Free includes debt-free!

You could poison yourself

if you eat game shot with lead. That was known before the Civil War.

Seems the goal is to greatly limit the availability of ammo

IMHO, it seems the goal is to greatly limit the affordability and availability of ammo altogether. Most ammo on the shelves right now, is lead.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

"Poses a danger to wildlife"?? You're SHOOTING at it!

Steel bullets and shot are significantly more expensive and more difficult to find nowadays.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Steel is banned

as a fire hazard. Sparks. Solid copper is restricted as AP and availability is spotty at best. Little by little, no ammunition will be legal in CA.

Are steel shot/bullets really banned altogether, in CA?


Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

It's difficult to find a place to shoot

because most places, including on public land, have bans on tracers, steel cored bullets, and anything else that may start a wildfire.

didn't know that...


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That's a hilarious thought.

"Poses a danger to wildlife"?? You're SHOOTING at it!


Death by instantaneous lead

Death by instantaneous lead poisoning :P


Right? I think they took the

Right? I think they took the "lead poisoning by bullet" joke too seriously. That, or they just don't care.

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