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DP: How Do You People Expect to Be Taken Seriously?

Do you teabagging "patriots" really think you can be taken seriously when you continue to contradict yourselves?

"Screw the government! We want it shut down! OH! BUT WAIT!

Damn them for shutting down Federal Property!

I mean the veterans fought for our rights! Oh wait, we're anti-war!"

Give me a freaking break. You people are nuts.



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Teabagger? Nuts? I don't

Teabagger? Nuts? I don't think anyone here teabagged you... But if they did you probably should go around posting it on the internet.

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One of our own?

That does not see the connection between the Ron Paul and Tea Party Movements? Ron Paul was the Godfather of the Tea Party Movement, a movement that morphed in 2009 but largely kept the basic libertarian principles that Paul advocated. These House Conservatives are fighting for the things you want - a smaller government and more freedom from tyranny. In so doing they are seeing their popularity wane because the sheeple want their stuff to continue. These conservatives, Cruz, Paul, and Lee need our unflagging support and encouragement right now.

So they aren't prattling on about pot or raw milk right now. Who gives a damn. They are prattling on about stopping Obamacare and shrinking government.

The national park issue symbolizes a tyrant that is using the discretionary power of government to punish his political enemies. It symbolizes the House - the people vs. the Executive - the dictator. It focuses on our inability to set priorities and to prioritize the wrong things.

Ron Paul is anti-unjust war, anti-foolish war and anti-perpetual war. He has never said he is anti-war.

Ron Paul is a patriot and not an anarchist. He has also made that very clear.

The conservatives and libertarians are uniting again as they used to be. You guys have convinced a lot of them to come back in your direction. Ron Paul is winning. Don't bite off your nose to spite your face.

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a movement that morphed in 2009 but largely kept the basic libertarian principles that Paul advocated.

Wrong. It was co-opted by neocon shills like Dick Armey.

These House Conservatives are fighting for the things you want - a smaller government and more freedom from tyranny.

Wrong. The GOP is full of complete neocons who would force through the same legislation as Obama if they were in power. Most of them lack principles and only want Obamacare repealed because they're not in power and Obama and his party are. And have we already forgotten the disgusting level of corruption that party has displayed in its conventions in 2008 and 2012, or the bloating of government under Bush?

I don't play, I commission the league.

Take me seriously

His name is Edward Snowden

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We aren't against veterans

We aren't against veterans fighting for our so called 'rights', thats not what these 'wars' are about. They are about greed, corruption, and no care for human life. Even the most of the military knows this which is why the politicians who support ending the wars get the most money from active duty and veterans for their political campaigns. We are not against WAR necessarily, just unconstitutional wars with no authority for the president to unilaterally strike any nation without a declaration. Even declared wars most libertarians, and I think Americans, would be opposed to anyways because we know most likely they are being faught for the wrong reasons. Over 80% of the American public was non-interventionist going into WWII, thats why the government had to keep making propaganda films to sell the war, also they never showed Americans actually getting killed. If you think the 'war on terror' is about freedom you are terribly mistaken, it's the exact opposite. Just like most governmental named programs. It's there as an excuse to take away our freedoms for security.. I can't believe we all still react to people like you but its just because we care to educate so for the most part we will take the time out of our day to explain and in a respectful manner, unlike calling people names like you seem to do. If you want to debate policy nobody in political arena today is more willing to do that than libertarians. Thanks for your post at DP and hope to see you here sometime in the future, once you wake up.

No

Not by morons.

Ron Paul wasn't taken seriously by the MSN.

Calm down guys.. this is just

Calm down guys.. this is just one of our own trying to keep us on our toes

This is a really stupid post with zero substance

There is some hypocrisy here on the DP, but you haven't pointed any out. What you did was bitch for the sake of bitching.

If we are all smart enough to unplug ourselves from the matrix what makes you think we can't see through this nonsense?

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national park service

should not exist.
i do not want them in my state.
i do not need armed supervision to take a walk.
that is what i protested.
seems in line with libertarian philosophy.
thanks for asking.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

You lost me at "teabagging".

The government is not really "shut down"

If it were, no one would be getting social security checks, in which case, there would be mass pandamonium. Really. 80% of the government is still operational. Enough waste can be saved from eliminating crony capitalism, tax loopholes, and bringing the troops home. Shrink the size of the defense budget, gradually, to be more proportionate to our other allies and potential enemies. The war profiteering will bankrupt this country before anything else does. We will stay with tens of thousands of soldiers in Germany, South Korea, Japan, Kosovo, Qatar, Afghanistan... before we ever shell out a real dime to our own common people. And that is the real truth of the matter whether you are a far left socialist or a far right conservative. They will not stop until every last penny is gone. It is an auction house.

My guess is that most people

My guess is that most people here want to reduce the size of government across the board, except for those things that either benefit them directly or that they want to go to.

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That's the thing, I didn't expect anybody to take me seriously

DP: How Do You People Expect to Be Taken Seriously?

That's the thing, I didn't expect anybody to take me seriously (including in my family) when I was ranting in my 20s (20+ years ago) about the hypocrisy and fraud of the socialists who I knew would bankrupt my country, extracting everybody willing to work.

Should I mention it was the same socialists who were already pro-war b.i.tches of dear Bush father for Desert Storm, and who were willing to go to war even more so against Syria with Dear/Daddy/Boss/King Obamarx just months ago?

See, socialists are champions at what one thing :

spend everybody else's blood and sweat, while they spare theirs and lesson you about it.

Right, Wilson? Right, FDR?

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And btw...

And btw...

I'm NOT EVEN an anarchist. Not at all :

http://www.dailypaul.com/302442#comment-3228830

How weird is that, huh?!

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FACTS are so f * cking STUBBORN, aren't they?

FACTS are so f * cking STUBBORN when they've been captured on Historical records, aren't they?

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Good troll but no I'll help

Good troll but no I'll help you.

If the government is shut down, they wouldn't be able to close federal property whether they wanted to or not.

So they're not shut down. Whether they were or weren't, preventing Americans from enjoying national parks or monuments, which belong to them is not acceptable. If they are unable to maintain or operate the parks I'm sure competent volunteers would be happy to do so. Washington DC doesn't own the country.

We can be against present wars or even all wars and still affirm the right of veterans to go to a memorial that was put up in their honor. There doesn't seem to be any contradiction there.

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I would argue that closing

I would argue that closing the parks while they aren't being maintained was wise, as to prevent a tragedy of the commons situation from developing.

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Never wanted the government

Never wanted the government shut down all at once, just scaled back slowly. And it's not federal property that's necessarily a problem so much as the public and private property they have shut down with absolutely no right, precedent, or reason to do so, at an expense significantly higher than simply allowing them to remain open and unstaffed.

Despite numerous government shut downs, this crap has never happened before. To think that it's totally cool for private businesses and things that already have funding to be shut down purely out of political spite, now that's nuts. This is why the government shouldn't have so much control over things like this: they just use it to screw us all.

ha ha lol

Screw the Free Market (Except the parts we like)

But seriously, your argument is weak. Closing down an open space like the Grand Canyon is BS, has nothing to do with closing down gov.

I don't think people could care less about closing 17% of the Gov.

Backing Veterans has nothing to do with being anti-war.

It's almost as if

DP members have individual opinions that sometimes contradict the opinions of other individual members!

The DP (usually) doesn't act as a hivemind; people here disagree on the most trivial of issues. Obviously you're going to come across contradicting statements.

Also, who is this 'we'?

A signature used to be here!

Yeah, unlike Huffpost or some MSM site...

We are individualists (mostly), not collectivists. Therefore we think for ourselves, each in his/her own way, instead of a bunch of lemmings parroting in legion the same hate-filled ignorant drivel about tea-bags and crazy uncles.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Hiya TROLL ...

... looks like your posts are mostly ad hominem.

Is that because you are not capable of discussing substance?

I think it's great

entertainment.. one reason I LOVE DP.. I get a lot of good laughs and it keeps it real for me...

Clearly you are taking us serious or you would not have

spent the time and energy to address us.

Seems to me your little progressive ass it getting all screwed up as more and more people realize what a crock of shit you are selling.

Now run along and maybe your EBT card will have a glitch and you can spend more of my money. Go on - you earned it - after all - it is hard work trying to put out fires. Just know this fire isn't going to die so easily so next time bring your A game.

Do you people have any idea

how silly/backwards you look??

Who are "you people"? LOL.

Who are "you people"? LOL.

LOL! Getting Desperate, huh?

It's called we support the men & women who put their lives on the line to protect this nation, even if they sometimes have been sent into harms way unnecessarily, or for the profits of elitists in the corporatist government.

We support our CONSTITUTIONAL system of government.
We oppose the rejection of our system of government, when both elected & un-elected government officials attempt to ignore &/or over-ride the Constitution.

Do you know how ignorant, selfish, and adversarial you sound?

We are your fellow Americans. Do you not care about restoring this nation to the greatness it once was? Do you not care about individual liberty for all Americans, free-markets, and a sound fiscal/monetary policy?!

Or are you just another Inter-National Socialist, advocating for more government, and less freedom?!

Hmmmm?

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It is our property

and there is no reason to shut it down. If they just fired all the people working there then we could enjoy it without their interference. We want them to stop committing crime and stay within they very limited bound duties.

That is consistent. You look like the serf who begs for their own enslavement.

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