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Rand Paul’s Hate Speech

Rand is becoming more and more part of the establishment. He had a chance to focus on the current gridlock and the internal problems in our country, why did he spend the whole time scapegoating Muslims instead of proposing real solutions to our problems here at home?

Article from DailyBeast | by Dean Obeidallah | Oct 14, 2013

Rand Paul’s Hate Speech Sounded Just Like Al Qaeda

The Tea Party senator’s attack on Muslims was nothing short of ‘hate speech,’ says Dean Obeidallah, who compares Rand Paul’s words to the bad arguments and vitriol used by al Qaeda recruiters.

Was Rand Paul’s most recent, big set-piece speech about A. The government shutdown; B. The debt limit; or C. The dreaded Obamacare? Nope, it was none of them. Instead, Paul spent his 19-minute speech at the Value Voters summit on Friday talking about Muslims.

Full article here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/14/rand-paul-s...

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If we want to win back this country, we have got to STOP

eating our own. Please stop this continual attack on Rand Paul!.

Some critical thinking would help

In Writing 102 class, a first year, mandatory class for college freshmen, we learned how to read a news article and evaluate it for factual content, bias, and logical reasoning.

Do any other people who went to college remember taking a class like that?

Let's evaluate this Daily Beast article for content and logic.

First of all, out of all the words in a 19 minute speech, they actual only quote 6 small snippets (13 words is the longest unbroken quote), a total of 40 words (out of 1930 words) and inserted their own words in between to tell you what he said. So they don't actually show you what he said in any reasonable context.

Even from those 6 quotes I can see that he dropped buzz words and played to the crowd by using simplistic generalizations about Christian nations and Muslim nations. But because this article only shows me 6 small quotes that have those buzz words and generalizations in them, it may be an impression that this article gives.

This article does not give me enough actual quotes from the speech for me to know what he actually said. Did he really say that all Muslims are in a "war against Christianity"? The article says that he did, and goes on to say that would be as racist as "setting forth a litany of crimes committed by African-Americans in the US as defining that race".

Rand has made many mistakes, I don't believe that he is infallible, nor do I think that he's the best Senator currently in Congress (Mike Lee's voting record may be a bit better than Rand's, but I don't worship Mike Lee either). But please, cite Rand's actual speech, not some article that barely even quotes the speech while telling us what the whole speech was about.

Here is a much longer quote of the speech (it seems to be the entire speech), for us to see what the Daily Beast writer left out of his article:

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/10/11/sen_rand_paul_spe...

I'm gonna be straight with you...

Based on the "buzzwords" that are appear frequently among that particular crowd; "Values Voters" (already couched in some construct of morality) was a perfect opportunity for him to:

1. give an educational response to the "cries" of the lay-Christians who saturate every social media outlet with vile content that conflates Radical Islam onto peaceful Muslims;

2. demonstrate how to exercise your right to free speech appropriately (he specifically said he doesn't need to be politically correct, which I happen to know is a buzzword fave of this group);

3. use an anti-revisionist approach of framing the positive aspects of the other religion in historical context;

4. give credit where it's due in the middle east (innovations & enlightenment era examples, Malala, etc...);

5. emphasize "we've lost sight of peace";

6. call on American Muslims to help fellow American Christians to speak out against religious persecution for any religion;

7. ask the peaceful Muslims in the Middle East to police themselves and eradicate violence;

8. show how any country that exacts religious persecution should never receive American taxpayer money.

From the perspective of his audience, it was a speech that satisfied what "Values Voter Summit" craves; moreover, it was simply about freedom and peace. (Mainly foreign policy)

(I admit I was turned off at first, but then I happen to know how hard it is to wrangle the minds of this type of group in particular; it's no easy task. I hope he got through to them.)

Thanks

Great summary. Good bullet points.

the devil's bargain is never a good bargin

he came in 4th at the value voters straw poll.

I question people like you who make threads like this

you're going to attack one of the good guys in the Senate, there is only 3, the rest are basically criminals, and you'll spend your time doing this, if you're not a troll you act exactly like one.

This guy is a textbook antitheist fanatic.

The reason this guy posted this article is because he was turned off by the pro-Christian rhetoric in Rand's speech, which is actually kind of ironic considering that violence against unbelief is mostly prevalent in Islamic countries, ergo fanaticism finds itself divorced from both logic and common sense.

Spedman is too busy being disgusted by religion to care about much else, so while Jesuit criminals like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden cause both economic and foreign policy mayhem, their semi-secular facades act as camouflage so that our anti-theist friend gives them the usual pass. It's scientifically inevitable that stupidity comes from such single-issue based mentalities.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Liberals...

hate Rand.

Its just their side yelling at each other. Nothing new to see here...

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

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From The BEAST!!!

That's all folks!

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Truthfully

I think the article writer has a point. I myself felt Rand Paul made tenuous connections to support his "thesis" as that article puts it.

I'll give the key one: He used the Boston bombing as evidence of the "war on Christians" although he himself noted the connection wasn't obvious, but added "but they didn't bomb a mosque."

Really? That's the supporting argument? What they didn't do? They also didn't bomb McDonalds. Does that mean they're not anti-capitalist? Or maybe they're pro eating.

(Let the downvoting begin)

Even mentioning the Boston

Even mentioning the Boston bombing in the same context was a big mistake on Rand's part, regardless of what he actually said about it.

The Boston bombing wasn't anything like the specifically targeted killings of individual Christians (and people of other religions) for their faith that he mentions in the speech.

If I ever wanted to talk about the ongoing religious persecutions around the world (which is a serious problem in dozens of countries), I would do my best to show that it is done by radicals in many different religions, as well as atheist governments, too.

However, it's more difficult to categorize governments as being an extension of a religion. Many people wrongly categorize the Israeli government as being "Jewish", but that government is about as Jewish as the US government is Christian.

you're absolutely right, though

...it was a weird comment...

It probably would have been better if he explained that the bombers were conflating Christianity onto everyone here in America, rather than understanding we all operate peacefully...

He def. missed that mark a bit.

This actually isn't a bad thing.

As someone who is well acquainted with what the average GOP primary voter thinks, this goofy little hit-piece from The Daily Beast is actually not a bad thing, and definitely something that was to be expected. The average GOP voter wants derisive rhetoric insofar as "Islam" is concerned given the 9/11 fever that still largely shapes present conservative politics.

Speaking for myself, I'm supporting Rand because I know that he has a mentality on foreign policy that is much closer to that of Pat Buchanan than that of George W. Bush, but he managed to convey the sentiments of the former while also sounding like the latter, and having some journalist that nobody's heard of from the Daily Beast with a Mid-East sounding name denouncing Rand as a promoter of hate-speech will further shield Rand from Neo-con attacks during the primaries. Combined with Ted Cruz going overboard with the filibuster rhetoric and going so heavily to the right that he's brought down the ire of RINO hacks like Peter King actually allows Rand to appear like that middle-of-the-road guy that Romney was able to pull off despite being far more liberal than otherwise suggested.

Granted, this is something that might prove bothersome in getting anti-war Democrat votes in the general election, but there is plenty of time to switch the emphasis to the last several minutes of that speech, which this idiot from The Daily Beast conveniently (and predictably) left out of his incoherent P.C. rant under the guise of an article.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Did Rand

attempt to intimidate or incite violence with his words? No. Did he suggest US intervention? No, the exact opposite. He said not a penny more in foreign aid and let the Muslims police themselves. So, yeah, Rand hates Muslims so bad that he doesn't want US soldiers to kill them, 1+2 = 18, and the sky is pink.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

Ridiculous

"Most Muslims are not committed to violence against Christians"

Did this guy even listen to the speech? Has he done research on how Christians are being treated? particularly in the Middle East?

Rand is not lying in this speech, what he is saying is absolutely true.

The writer of this article should be distancing himself from these Islamic terrorists and not making it sound like Rand is attacking all Muslims.

When Terry Jones burns the Koran I distance myself from that trash.
When the Westboro Baptist Church tells people "God hates fags" I distance myself from that shameful behavior.

Dean Obeidallah's article couldn't be a political smear could it?

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

What do you exspect from a

What do you exspect from a Nazi GOP hack like Rand I sold you out Paul?

If you are going to attack someone

At least learn how to spell correctly. It's "expect" not "exspect", which you misspelled twice, so don't say it was an error.

You got me there.

I spelled it wrong. Never was good at spelling. My bad

Calling him a GOP hack is one thing

but what exactly makes him a Nazi? That and the "everybody I don't like is literally Hitler" nonsense is tossed about far too casually for me to take seriously anymore.

I wasn't wild about his speech either, but the name-calling is ridiculous.

A signature used to be here!

There is a bunch of things

1.comparing gay mariage to beastality on the Glenn beck show.
2. Voting for NDAA 2013
3. Backing Mitch in his 2014 senate race instead of the liberty candidate.
4. Endorsing Mit when his dad was still running.
5 Speaking at the 2012 Nazi Republican convention after they cheated his dads delegates.
5. His hate speach at the value voters poll.

This is just a short list why belongs in that Nazi Party! It fits him just fine.

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Fire Rand 2016!

Out of 100 Senators

You pick the only liberty person up there to pick on. I mean really is trashing Rand Paul the best use of your time?

I am not picking on him. Rand

I am not picking on him. Rand is discussed more on this website then almost any other politician but is often displayed as infallible. I think it is more fair to have a discussion on all of his views and actions, not just the ones we like.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

Posting a blatant hit-piece from a hostile media outlet...

...is a strange way to start a discussion. How about you give us your own critique of Rand's speech instead? O, wait, you didn't actually listen to it, did you?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Oh yes you are, you're not fooling anyone.

Sorry sir, but your cute little atheistkult quotations (The Ben Franklin quote is actually apocryphal and shows that you get your founding fathers quotes from Richard Dawkins rather than original source material) reveal your angle on this, and given the overtly Christian nature of the speech itself, you're actually insulting everybody's intelligence by suggesting otherwise.

Oh, and this is actually one of the points that I like Rand on, so speak for yourself in that regard. And for further research, feel free to check the video link below for some perspective on Ben Franklin's actual views regarding Churches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkuD1kQLtXs

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Rand is better than that.

That Rand Paul speech did actually turn me off. I think it was going a bit to far on that hollow terrorist subject. It's as if he was going for that dying segment of voters who believe terrorists kill more people than lighting or bee stings. Rand can do better.

It's called kowtowing.

Back during the 2012 campaign when Rand endorsed Romney I was livid for a couple of days, then I had an epiphany that has since given me a different perspective on this stuff. Politics, especially in present day America, is an art bound by the boundaries of dishonest rhetoric and sophistry. You don't get there by telling the truth, because the truth isn't of interest to enough people outside of the idealistic minority that populates this website and a few others. Either by nature or through decades of nurturing, Americans have come to love a good liar, especially one who is adept at telling people what they want to hear.

The Values Voter Summit is primarily a flocking of backward Fundamentalists (and this is coming from someone who is too Old School of a Presbyterian to attend any of the affiliate churches in America) and they think along similar lines to the peasants and classes of chivalry during the Crusades, lest we forget how much these people fawned over Chris Kyle (aka Mr. American Sniper), who among other things, frequently flashed a tattoo he had of a Crusader era emblem. These people wanted to hear what Rand said during the first 3/4s of his speech, and at the same time were fooled into considering the possibility that the best way to keep the terrorists out of America is to back off on that same Crusader mentality a bit.

That's how you win in American politics, you literally have to TRICK and FOOL people into believing in and doing the right thing. Ron Paul was a straight shooter and told it like it was, and we all know how that crowd of goofy heretics in South Carolina during the debates responded to that. As the quote from V For Vendetta goes "Actors use lies to tell the truth", and on this front I believe Rand has been doing an impressive job.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Bingo

This is the most important thing about politics to understand.

exactly

he was speaking to a VERRRRRRY specific audience that only wants to hear 2 things:

"we don't wanna be politically correct"

"Muslims are killing Christians and we're mad"

(like you said, unapologetic crusaders who needed to be told to back the fizznuck off for a sec.)

Well said

Too bad so many in the liberty movement refuse to accept this.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

...

Rand has a secret plan to save himself.

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