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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Why governments create false histories and false gods.

I know, this is like the fart in church. I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I happened to be one of those that don't believe in Christianity but accept that this is what most people in my community believe. I get along just the same....Since we like to question institutions around here then whats wrong with questioning this?

Anyway, check this out as point of conversation:

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."


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Also given that Kings and rulers actively tried to put down the Christian movement for its first 300 years, the belief that kings and rulers created this "myth" is beyond laughable.


Standing in the year 2013 and given the documented manuscript evidence for the Bible exceeds that of all ancient texts by double digit ratios, and given that over 20,000 Bible manuscripts exists pre printing press, I'd say you would have to side with the Bible Thumpers.


Ya I have already debunked this Roman invention theory like 6 times on six separate threads. Perhaps OP would mind reading those first before posting the same story over and over by a " scholar " who did not pay very much attention at all to why his thesis was junk.


Is always just on the attack. It's who he is. Nevermind that the article is titled with a lie, nevermind that he knows he'll offend people and stir up angst, he needs attention apparently.

Key to a post that gets traffic

Key to a post that gets lots of traffic, antagonize a group of people and LIE in the title! There is no "ancient confession" found! It's a well known old document that Atheists have been trying to discredit along with the scriptures for a decade and this guy gives HIS interpretation of the two. It's hilarious!! Leave it to Dexter and his frothing hatred for Christians to post this nonsense. He's going to post saying he doesn't hate Christians now like he did before he started the above post which proves the opposite. Joke. At least Dexter you prove how absolutely black all humans hearts are every time you do this crap.


Why is ok for you to flaunt your beliefs out in the open (The Baptist) expecting everyone to just accept it but when someone posts an opposing point a view whether they believe it or not they are scorned and accused of some kind of hatred?

Does that make any sence?

Poor Thomas Paine....I feel your Pain

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.


Call them like I see them. "Flaunt" our beliefs. Do we post attacking posts against your beliefs?? Live out our beliefs I think is what we do. Attack our beliefs is what you do. You're doing no service, you're the atypical modern Atheist. You think expressing your beliefs is attacking someone else's. I don't post, "Atheists are idiots, God's fingerprint actually found in DNA Scientists say" articles, which then go on to show no such evidence at all. Then say, Oh, I don't dislike Atheists and I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I just disagree with them. Dude, you can say what you like, whatever gets you through the night. I don't have to ascent to your lies. If some Christian is posting attacking hateful posts to stoke anger, I'll call them on it as well. But I've interacted with you before and know you well enough to know your prejudice drooling out, you can't help yourself. Whateves. Keep fighting the liberty fight, we coo.

So if someone for example

Quotes a bible verse how do you know the recipient will not be offended? What If that person is a Muslim? Come on man, show me one time where I attacked anyone's beliefs...I posted an interesting article that apparently created quite a stir. Not so much about the article itself but about my character and motives....

I find it rather interesting that some subjects are totally ok to discuss where as others are forbidden in many peoples eyes.

Let me give you some examples:
On the Daily Paul we can discuss:
Kennedy assassination
Fluoride poisoning
Gay marriage
Moon Landing
Federal Reserve
False Flags
Free thinking
Free will

On the Daily Paul we can not discuss

Do you ever wonder why that is? It actually makes no sense. If you are convinced and believe in something beyond a doubt then why does it bother you so much...

And yes, despite what you think my motives are, ....we're always cool! And you can count on that...

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

It's not the subject

It's not the subject. It's the way it is presented. Was the title of this article true? Or a lie? Don't pretend that you didn't know it would cause a stir, don't pretend that it wasn't meant to be antagonistic. That's ridiculous and anyone can see through it. You want to talk about religion, fine, just do it like a good person. Don't start with lies and false pretenses and then backtrack like a politician. We all see through that all the time and you're playing the game right now.

But I didn't write the article

Your alledging that I wrote it. I copied and pasted exactly what was written . How does that make me a liar? Sounds like your issue is with the author of the article.

I never claimed it to be true or false. You keep saying its antagonistic even though I openly put a disclaimer in the subject to quell any ill feeling so we could discuss the writing at face value.

It seems like I am not the antagonistic one here.

Bottom line, if your looking for a place where everyone is going to agree with you 100% of the time I'm not sure this is the place.

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.


Dude, shameless. Total political blather.


I'm amused


For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.


So....let me see if I understand. He's using a 2,000 year old book which was supposedly written by a single man to discredit another 2,000 year old book's authenticity?


I was all in there, thinking he had actually found that quote somewhere. But that is his conclusion, ahhh, well, since he is the authority and is called a scholar I bow to him and renounce all truth at his feet. If he think so, well, it is just a matter of time. Ha. Gimme a break here!! Love it when Atheist post and say, I don't mean to be antagonistic, when that's exactly what they mean to do!! So hilarious, the poster and the man himself are both ridiculously lost and in need of the true historical Jesus, run to him. Not away.

Don't assume

Deist not Atheist
Thought provoking not antagonistic .... Not everything is a conspiracy....

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Sure sure


Why haven't the children been saved?

How many prayers, of what type, in what form, by whom, and in what order and any other attribute that may be assigned will it take to save the children from the ills that befall them? Rapeings and beatings and death continue and have increased. There have been trillions of trillions of prayers offered up to ???? throughout the millenia to save the children from all forms of predators and yet the same predators have their way with them. God works in mysterious ways or God has a plan or original sin or punishment of the families for their ungodly ways won't cut it as a reason any longer. What have the children done to deserve their sentence of heart ache, pain and destruction? Maybe it's preparing them for their adult place in the world or maybe saving them from even greater pain in the future, eh.

These things happen because of sin

Not because it is God's will. The world is full of evil because it is filled with sin. Earth will never be perfect hence the reason in the end it will be destroyed and born anew. It is often forgotten but Heaven is a temporary place until God renews the earth and those in Heaven are given new bodies and we return to dwell on Earth together with the Lord.

Many people struggle with this one

It's not "God's will" that causes these atrocities, there's no lesson to be taught by God allowing these things to happen.

It's Human Will that causes them, we are the horrible scumbags that allow it to happen.

Christianity defines a "Free Will" given by God, but as part of the trade off, God does not often directly intervene in our affairs. To do so would remove our ability to choose, even when we make the wrong decisions.

Think of it like a parent, would you keep your kid sheltered their whole life so they wont make mistakes? or would you give your kids the choice to learn to not make those mistakes, and still function in society?

I had a dream once, I was dead, in heaven standing with my wife, who was my wife on earth. She was just sentenced to hell and I was to enter heaven. All I could think of was the pain she is about to endure, that I loved her, and I would never see her again, I turned to God and said "I can't stand this pain!", to which He held his arms out to all those awaiting judgement and replied "Now you know how I feel."

So Then.....

Why waste my time praying for something that will not happen, that being, saving the children from their earthly fate? If that cause is not good enough, then what is? Got to admit, that as a youngster, praying for this made me feel good but it was to no avail. Ignored, disillusioned and rejected.

You mentioned that God does not often directly intervene in our affairs so my question now is when has intervention provably happened and if it happened what was the intervention for? If my pleading was not good enough for this intervention, what is? And how about the pleadings of those trillions of trillions that had the same pleading through the millenia? Or any other pleadings for that matter. Those pleadings fell on deaf ears or rather, no ears. I am more convinced every day that praying is more useful for making one feel good as opposed to any specific, provable, concrete cause and effective action. I have been told over the years that this miracle or that miracle happened but the specifics have always been clouded in mystery without any proof. More like a mystery story where the villain is foiled and the good guy is victorious. We are chained by just such a 'belief' to a system as opposed to reality.

So Christians were not

...fed to the lions Atwill?

Even the name is ironic imo.



I'm definitely in the minority but thanks for posting.

Judging by the reception here from many posters whose opinions I've come to trust and value, I'm not sure how credible this guy is but will check it out for myself.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Why do you post this??

Do you see me posting topics on how Evolution is made up horseshit .. this has nothing to do with Liberty .. so do you believe in God or made up BS that Aliens created us or lightning hit a rock and created life, because those ideas are laughable

Not defending the subject,

Not defending the subject, but I think any and everything should be allowed to be discussed here, even religion.

A sanctuary of free thought and ideas, js..


I would like to see you post topics on how Evolution is made up horseshit. It makes the most logical sense to me but I enjoy learning new things. :)

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

There are plenty of sites

out there .. so how did DNA form?, how do all these protiens come together to make life, how does non-life turn into life .. The scientists can't explain any of this .. yet you on FAITH believe this?? .. The most logical explaination is GOD created life ... But what the FUCK do people post this shit for to divide people

I am getting sick and freakin tired of the Christian bashing


But hate is not the answer brother. Christ told us we'd be bashed. He was bashed. It's a blessing in a way. It confirms the truth of the Gospel when so many come against it. They can't help themselves.


I feel like Ron Paul, tell people that hate isn't the answer and get voted down! Fun stuff.

I'm not your enemy...

I don't believe anything on faith. The inability to explain something does not mean that an opposing view is any more believable.

I have nothing against Christianity as I believe it does, in essence, put forward a good way to live your life.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

if you are being 'bashed'--

then you are probably doing something right--

think of it as validation--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--