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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Why governments create false histories and false gods.

I know, this is like the fart in church. I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I happened to be one of those that don't believe in Christianity but accept that this is what most people in my community believe. I get along just the same....Since we like to question institutions around here then whats wrong with questioning this?

Anyway, check this out as point of conversation:

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."


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Religions aren't meant to be Believed

They're meant to serve as teachings and metaphors to one's OWN "religion".

Sure perhaps the tale told of Jesus's life is plagiarized like so many other Religions that also have a "son born of a virgin mother" who was also "crucified/executed only to rise 3 days later". Much of that pattern of myth stems from astronomy.

But if you read the words of Jesus himself (which is after all what Christianity is based on), he was a teacher and was attempting to teach his followers how to be "in tune" with the Divine as he was. "Unconditional Love" for example can be understood today through deep self awareness and meditation upon one's "Beingness" in the present moment. Easy to say but hard to do in our Fear/Division-based societies. But it CAN be done and it IS being realized by many Christians as well as other faiths.

People in power presented these Metaphors as "truths" rather than the teachings they are meant to be and we have a world today fighting over who's Metaphor is THE one and not the common threads that they all share. Imagine that, I world where all religions are viewed as a guide to one's own Divinity and not some collectivist form of mass control upon the masses? I'd like that very much.

And as for the Atheists (of which I was one for a time after abandoning my Christian faith), look no further than the discoveries being made in quantum physics that suggest there is "a Force at the Fundamental Core of All Creation" that unites us all with all there is. I don't know about you guys, but that sounds like something that science shouldn't be FINDING, is it? But it IS finding it and it's resonating across the world.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin


It's your opinion that they aren't supposed to be believed, that they are metaphor. Jesus made a very specific and logical claim that is absent in any other religion he said, "I AM the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE". You know what, that's hardcore.

Yes, that's correct

To me, what he meant was that his Way of BEING (in Unconditional Love) is the Truth and he taught that "Everything I Can do, you Can do AND MORE." He wanted to be emulated not worshipped.

"Hardcore" is taking his teachings to HEART and actually LIVING by them, not by the man-manipulated Religion that became of his teachings. I have put this Faith into practical application in my life as the teachings suggest (His as well as many other teachers) and my life has completely changed for the better. My relationships, my work, my health, my clarity, all improved to a degree I never thought possible.

So much time is wasted on fighting over who teaches the Truth best, like arguing which side of a cube is the most square. It's all a different PERSPECTIVE of the SAME Truth. And that is my opinion based on my own personal experience with applying the teachings in my life. There's more science to it than many are willing to accept. Cause and Effect. As Above, So Below.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin


Again, this is simply your opinion, not fact. Jesus accepted worship in his own life time, from this followers. He didn't rebuke them when they did, in fact he encouraged worship by making himself equal with the father. I agree that a lot of time is spent arguing about such things, because they are important, because truth exists, because God exists. We want to know the right path, you're free to choose the path you've chosen and I'm free to choose my path. Everyone is arrogant to a degree and proud and thinks they know the right way. We'll see in the end. I'm sure you've chosen your way from what you believe are well thought out logical observations and experiences, as have I. I am a reformed Christian, quite happy in the Church that Christ built. You think it's a distorted mess. I don't see that at all, I think it is beautiful and true and just as the scriptures describe. That is your opinion, you may not be absolutely right and I also may not be.

The way you hold forth, just seemed a little over the top, like you were explaining to us peons how enlightened you were and how dim the rest of us are who are too stupid to understand the truth. I thought I'd address it since I completely disagree with everything you said.

My apologies for the misunderstanding

I never claimed anything as fact. I clearly said that my views are based on my experience and mine alone. You cannot take my subjective experience on as your fact. Too many have tried and failed that already.

Indeed, we are all free to choose our own path to Truth and to our own personal relationship to/with God. The right path is the one that works for you. Your path may not be mine and vice versa.

I am not afraid to stand with conviction of what my experiences have revealed to me. Those are my facts that are mine alone and I would never impose them onto others. That is the fault of many systems of Religion.

Let me also clarify my position on Religion, which is not one of "a distorted mess" but rather generally messed up by distorted people. I draw a distinction between Religion and Faith, however. Faith is something that is within the individual's heart and mind and again is a completely subjective experience and relationship. Religion is the institutionalization of a Faith by which it is disseminated to masses of people into a group-based "organization" of sorts and historically have been used to impose a great amount of suffering upon humanity. It was a LACK of Faith by those in power that caused that.

Yes, of course today the Church is much evolved and as I mentioned, many are "adapting" their Faith to teaching in new ways, practical ways—which is what I believe Jesus would have preferred. That's my opinion either way. I am very happy, truly, that your Church is a source of great happiness for you. Many don't unfortunately.

I'm sorry that you perceived my sharing of my experiences as somehow belittling in any way. If I had done so purposely, then I would be a hypocrite to cite Unconditional Love as my way of life only to place the condition of agreement with my opinions on others. I never implied anyone was dim and I would definitely never imply someone was stupid for coming to their Truth in a way different than mine. I believe being enlightened is seeing the common thread that runs through all manners of Faith and not to seek further division.

If I still fail to find some common ground with which you could agree then I am still happy with the fact that a conversation was had and an attempt made to find some unity in the abundance of Truth in this World. Unfortunately, I cannot likewise disagree with what you have said. We have both taken different paths through our lives to come to a knowing of Truth which can only be understood by the individual alone. I think that's beautiful!

Once again, my apologies for my "over-the-topness". I suppose it can come across a bit "bitter" to swallow. Thank you for pointing it out so that I can better express my thoughts moving forward.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

You say

The right path is the one that works for you. That of course is not logical. Because the one that is right would be the one that is the most true. If someone is actually on an untrue path, that would be A wrong path. We both could be on those wrong paths and that would suck for us both.

I appreciate your candor.

Again, I agree

It isn't logical because it's not a matter of logic, it's a matter of the Heart—of LOVE. There is no right path to LOVE—LOVE is the path itself. Truth is LOVE. If someone is on a path other than one of LOVE, well, I think it's becoming very clear who those people are in this world.

As long as we stick to "the path", I think we're doing just fine :)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I want to

I want to agree with you and move on ninja, but you keep making absolute statements saying that you are absolutely right and not qualifying them in any way. LOVE, is not absolutely the right path because your "heart" tells you. Your mind is your heart, you've come to a logical conclusion based on specific criteria that this way of love satisfies. However, you may well be wrong about "love" being the way right?

Love is the right path in my opinion because Christ says it is. If he hadn't said it, I would not believe it. Plunder might get me what I want much faster. Murder might get me what I want much faster. If I was a naturalist I would respect no law, no one else's "heart".

All I'm saying is that it would be nice if you didn't sound like you were preaching the absolute truth of something that you yourself declare is not about logic, which means it's not about truth. It's all very confusing and seemingly arrogant. I don't know if you are or not, I know I am and well... everyone else I ever met, but I hold out the possibility you're not, because I like to see the world that way, because logic and Christ have taught me to.

If I were to qualify any of them personally

then I would say that the emotion of LOVE is a physical manifestation we can feel in our bodies. It is a vibration of energy produced when our mind is used to induce thoughts, or when we interpret things around us with the other 5 senses, that trigger a bodily response in the form of emotion (e-motion = energy motion). The more I resonate in this state through meditation/prayer, the better I generally feel, the clearer I am able to think, the better choices I am able to make, and the easier I can make peace with things that appear as a "contrast" to the emotion of Love. This could be anger, hate, fear, etc. I attempt, through practice, to be in a state of Love regardless of the Conditions around me. I do slip back into conditioned behaviour that I've picked up over my life here and there but it happens less often and doesn't last nearly as long as it did, say, 3-4 years ago when I "woke up" I suppose.

That's my general path. My Truth. It works for me. It may not work for any other human being on this planet, but my experiences are all the qualifications I need. It isn't my place to qualify them for anyone else. I can only speak of my experiences and others may be inspired by them or turned off completely. Again, that is completely up to them. There is no right or wrong approval I seek. I only seek to share my experiences. That is all.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I see

And I'm not seeking to give you any right or wrong approval. I don't think for a second that it would be mine to give. I was just pushing to see if you did feel at least that there was a possibility that you might be wrong. At least this explanation doesn't seem to make statements that all should have to follow or was absolutely true. I think this statement of yours is the most sound. Thanks for the clarification.

Amen, Brother!

You inspired this clarity in a very respectful manner that I truly appreciate, so, Thank You!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

"And as for the Atheists (of

"And as for the Atheists (of which I was one for a time after abandoning my Christian faith), look no further than the discoveries being made in quantum physics that suggest there is "a Force at the Fundamental Core of All Creation" that unites us all with all there is."

Bingo, my friend! I was going to write this whole big thing, but that summed it all up lol..

I too used to be an atheist and Science changed all of that for me. I couldn't sit there and deny findings and am now an Agnostic (until definite evidence says otherwise).

"I too used to be an atheist...

...and Science changed all of that for me."

Ironic, isn't it?

I appreciate your kind words as well, friend :)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

It is. I kind of chuckled

It is. I kind of chuckled writing that lol

And yours as well.

I always like the term deist.

It resonates with me. I don't dismiss the fact that there could be a god or creator whatever that is. Unfortunately for religions of the earth it can't be pegged to a man or a prophet.

It's ok to admit we just don't know, but irresponsible to accept that what's not proven.

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

For me, there is just too

For me, there is just too much evidence against man made religion to believe any of it to be true, but non-religious spirituality is a different story. There is science to back it up, not just folklore.

I have nothing against religion. I just have no need for something as dogmatic as it is.

Many people, myself included

are of the "thought" that perhaps Jesus was a quantum genius. He did spend time (7 years I believe) with the Buddhists which may very well have taught him a true power of "mind over matter" where he was able to direct his mind in such a focused and precise way that the molecular structure of water could be changed into "wine" and the same could be said for his healing of the sick.

Science is showing us that at the core of all things there is Mind. So what abilities could one have who has an unwavering KNOWING of this reality to use his own mind to create frequencies of healing vibrations? "God-like" OR "Blasphemous Witchcraft"? Are they any different in effect? No. But one is perpetuated by Fear isn't it? How dare a "mortal" claim to have God-like powers!

I found it quite interesting when I saw one of those Sunday Christian programs on TV once where the pastor (can't remember who it was now) pointed out the symbology of something as simple as doing the sign of the cross: You first point to the Mind (The Father), then to the Heart (the Son aka Sun aka Solar-plexus) and draw a line between the two (the Holy Spirit), and said that only NOW with quantum physics we are beginning to see these "Truths right under our noses".

I thought I was on the wrong channel for sure. Nope. It was such a weird yet beautiful moment in seeing this man use physics as a part of his sermon. It blew my Mind.

There is much Truth everywhere, you just have to read between the lines. The problem is when these subjective Truths become Industrialized into a Societal Complex. Rather than it being "folklore" it's more accurate to say it's a metaphor like a Glass being half empty or Half full. In reality neither is true for the glass is always FULL: one half water (physical), and one half air (spiritual). Like the photon, we as humans have the ability to fluctuate between a particle and a wave form (As Above So Below), and neither is more important than the other. They are the Yin and the Yang.

I think I'm getting too deep for the end of the work day ;)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

It reaches a point from our limited human perspective

where it all simply becomes ineffable ;)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

It's common knowledge in the scientific field now

that big bang/evolution is completely impossible, DNS strands are no different now, than millions of years ago, but with no alternate answer, what's being taught will stay. The Aether is real, I personally have proved its existence, but so many unanswered questions remain.

Study electrical engineering, its history, and learn everything the 20 or so inventors discovered, and you will see how nature works. It's pretty understood today, that most likely, SOMEONE created the planet and sun, even if they refuse to say it was an all powerful being.

And before I get like a billion down votes for my opinion, study the knowledge yourself. I am basing this off of Electrical Engineering and Ecosystems Analysis studies over the past 150 years, this has nothing to do with the fact I am a believing Christian.

PS: If anyone want's links to some material, I can offer some to get started.


The Aether is real, I personally have proved its existence, ...

I'd love to see that proof!

I should correct myself and say

I have personally been around when someone else proved its existence as a growing mass inside a bulb. LOL but give me the materials and ill do it. It's one of the Tesla experiments. I didn't realize what I was witnessing at the time, but now that I know, I would love to recreate it.

Then how about a link to

a description of that particular experiment? What materials are needed?

Post 'em!

I'm always excited to have my views turned upside down. Since nobody can prove the big bang ever happened I'm a little skeptical as to anyone proving it is impossible.

I'm intrigued by your claims on Evolution as this is the second person here who has stated such. I would love to read what you have...

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

AWEsome! Thanks for the comment.

Do you find that there is a lot more "Truth" out there than you previously thought? I know from personal experience as well that Truth is completely subjective on those deeeeeeeep levels but the surface metaphors are so abundant that it becomes at times a bit maddening that people just can't seem to "read between the lines". Although many finally are.

I haven't officially studied engineering of any kind but I have read and seen a lot on electromagnetic forces not just in practical applications but also in the nature of the universe. It seems, at least to my own experience, that the more I learn about those subjects the more Ancient/Religious teachings make sense to me.

I'd Love some links if you've got them!!!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

There is a growing movement in Electrical Engineering

Ill try my best to remember the path I started on. I think I'll start here though as it's a video. What started me on studying the planet is below the video.

I chose this video because he gives the basic history of the players involved. It's a matter of researching each person afterwards on your own.

These are just theories, but they throw the majority of what we have been taught out the window and after a more in-depth look, I keep finding that he's not wrong on a lot of things.

Professor Eric Dollard is the teacher here.


Here is what made me begin to study ecosystems.

This is the Futurequake show, I don't remember how I found it, but this is the only one I ever listened to. The guest is Dr Michael Coffman, a 25yr ecosystems analyst and former member of the Acid Rain/Global Warming team from the 80's. This show is a Christian radio show, so it's God heavy from time to time, if that bothers anyone.

This link bugs out every now and then, but it's a free podcast on itunes or whatever, can also download this file instead of play it and it should download the whole thing.

Much Appreciated!!

I downloaded the MP3 and am downloading the YT clip now for later viewing at home with my nightly...uh..."cup of tea" for easier mental "absorbtion" ;)

Thanks again!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I highly doubt anyone wrote it for control, and here's why...

Anyone who reads the Bible from an outside the box view, and I'm speaking of both Christian and non-Christians, like any other book, should come to the conclusion of the main storyline/plot.

What is the main storyline of the Bible?

One word: Freedom

Old Testament is Israel constantly getting enslaved, they are free, then they become wealthy(or sometimes go straight to lazy), become lazy and un-Godly, get enslaved, become Godly, and become free again. This cycle repeats over and over and over. Same thing happened in Rome, same thing is happening in America. Socialism/Welfarism destroys economies.

New Testament is about the fulfillment of a promise made to Abraham and his children LONG ago. What is that promise? Freedom, liberation, and the wealth of the kingdom of heaven. The Bible is supposed to teach that Christians have no need to fear, because God is in control, the New Testament is about removing the final fear holding people back: Death.

Without the fear of death, imagine what lengths people will go to, to do the work of God.

Why would a country develop a book, that creates people who:
A)Do not fear death
B)Seek Independence from all governing bodies, except God in Heaven.
C)Teaches proper civil disobedience, especially against unjust laws(what exactly is it you think Christ did?)
D)Defines Truth and how to find it

I'm sorry, but anyone who writes a book, teaching people to think for themselves so he can control them, is a moron.

Dexter, I know that you are posting this in an honest attempt at

scrutinizing history--

Your beliefs are your business.

But I can't forget what you did for--

well, was it the Fukushima victims?

Your actions, your hard work there (am I getting the right Dexter here, or am I senile?)--

showed that you admire the teachings of Jesus Christ, whether you attribute those teachings to Him or not--

Yes, He also warned about showing your 'alms'--

but you came on and rallied people--

I think you've done it more than once.

That, my fellow DPer, is in alignment with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

It doesn't hurt to question things. I have committed my heart to the reality of Jesus Christ in the world over 2,000 years ago--

but I can see that there were evil conspiracies going on that hijacked--and did it very successfully--turning the teachings of a humble Carpenter into something that would turn His "followers" into murderers and pillagers--(Crusades, etc.)

the truth is somewhere in there, if we look long enough--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Christianity is expressed

with explosive variety and tenacity, in nearly every language and culture. It's hard to believe that a plot hatched for 1st century Roman politics would be considered the source of truth, salvation, and forgiveness to so many regardless of culture, language, or historic period. The institution of marriage sprung from a Roman political strategy of control? JS Bach wrote for an institution born of Roman politics?

The institution of marriage

Is not related to Christianity, --since it has been instituted in many places that are not christian, and also before Christ. And J.S. Bach wrote for $$$ and the chruch had all the money.