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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' Why governments create false histories and false gods.

I know, this is like the fart in church. I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I happened to be one of those that don't believe in Christianity but accept that this is what most people in my community believe. I get along just the same....Since we like to question institutions around here then whats wrong with questioning this?

Anyway, check this out as point of conversation:

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."

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Not a dazzling lie at all

If Jesus is not a lie, then Buddha, and Mohammed certainly are, and they have more people that believe in them as God, and just as many that have died in their name.

By the way, Jesus and Mohammed have a lot that killin their name too, how does that figure in to your logic ?

Mohammed led the killers

Jesus did not. And Mohammed married a 9 year old, so what would that make him?

Jesus killed no one and no one ever accused him with diddling with children. So if someone does those things in Jesus' name it is NOT because he was an example of such actions. I don't fault Jesus for another's perversions.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

But the Christian Church

Certainly has a lot of blood on their hands - not to mention enslavement of women, abuse of Children.

All these messiahs are fake.

I will take a page from Thomas Paine and find God in his creations, rather than in the words of other men.

The truth is

Jesus did not teach Christianity. He taught a hybrid version of religion, that did not condone any of those things.

The money changers started the Christian religion, in order make Jesus look bad. He had the answer, that would have freed everyone and will free everyone eventually. DO NOT GIVE YOUR POWER TO THE COLLECTIVE, OR SOME KING. Give it to god, and govern yourself. Free Will.

Jesus never preached about hell, and God nor Jesus ever said people go there. God said it was for Lucifer, and he angels.
God would not send you to his dominated collectivist world, just to punish you again for being gullible.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

Places Jesus directly preached about hell

Mat_5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat_5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat_5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mat_11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
Mat_16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat_18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Mat_23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat_23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mar_9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar_9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar_9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Luk_10:15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.
Luk_12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Luk_16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

thanks for your comment

But we all have our truth. That is yours. I don't take the Bible Verbatim, because it wasn't written verbatim.

Romans 6:23 tells us, "...the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." With each passing generation, sin has become more and more invasive. Once man sinned, this caused condemnation for all to eternal torment in Hell. Why? "...all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." (Romans 3:23) When Adam and Eve sinned, their sin required atonement for them to be cleansed of that sin: necessitating a Savior.

Jesus's sacrifice saved us all from that.... Remember?

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

Jesus's sacrifice was to save us from our sins

have you given him yours yet?

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Yes I have

But, I don't believe the book of Romans or Leviticus and others are telling the true story. There is a reason why they were able to split the church (divide and conquer), and got Christians to act violently. This is the reason the money changers are still in power.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

Yes, Jesus taught the Tao.

Not Christianity, or even hybrid Judaism.

If Jesus is fiction, he is an amalgamation of other stories of a messiah or savior from MANY religions.

The Romans were not Taoists, so I doubt seriously their invention would attempt to convert Jews to that path.

This trash again?

The guy isn't a biblical scholar.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013/10/joseph-atwill-has...

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

OMG...Really?

Guess they forgot the 'Missing Years' huh? How did Native Americans know about Christ BEFORE white people got here? How about the Asian legend that Christ was there..learning all he could?
I believe in God..I believe in Jesus Christ..And no bs you or anyone can dig up will change my mind.
Soon I will be getting a new tattoo..over my heart..Im just not sure of the wording I want...Its either going to read:Prop. Of God or maybe Jesus Lives Here

I believe in Hope & Change..I Hope the government will Change
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And that's cool

But doesn't mean as a free thinker we can't question....we do it with everything else....

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Free Thinker???

You and your group are only tolerant of one single system of worldview. And you have the arrogance and audacity to call yourself a "free thinker"?

What you are really is an authoritarian fundamentalist atheist that gets orgasmically excited at every chance to control other people and tell them how stupid they are and how brilliant you are and that only you have the key to Truth.

One thing I can guarantee, is that there are people in all religions who are much, much, much better people than you are.

Stop filling Daily Paul with this divisive hateful crap.

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~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

I know you don't realize it

or you wouldn't have said what you did, but you are being extremely intolerant and lashed out at someone who did nothing to you but ask questions. If we cannot question faith and belief then what else is there.

Just because there exist some on the DP that are rude atheists, doesn't mean we are all rude atheists, or even just atheists, and it doesn't give a Christian the right to lash out at random people.

I hope you will reflect on your statement and ask forgiveness from whomever you believe you should get it from.

As a background, I am not an atheist, but I am also not a Christian, and I don't think anything the gentleman you replied to indicated he was an atheist either, he might be, but you would have to prejudge him to make that determination.

I think you may have confused me with someone else

I'm not part of a group, I don't seek to control anyone, and I try to do good always. I'm not full full of anger or hate, and do not like to insult people.

What I do like is to have challenging and thought provoking dialog with people that are willing to discuss matters even if it is taboo . Usually when people make it personal by using derogatory jabs and call my character to the table It's easy to conclude that individual doesn't have any facts and must resort to such tactics either out of fear of not being able to back up their position or are just a mean spirited person which are both counter behaviors to the subject they are defending....

In other words....take it easy were just talking...

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Take it easy?

You do not understand.

To those who believe that Jesus Christ is God made man- a real human being that walked the earth , the incarnate God that created all things- saying that He is just a myth is the most outlandish thing you could say.

You would not post some obscure, self styled scholar who concluded that the moon is made of blue cheese, would you?

But think of this. If there truly is no God, then does history even really matter? Aside from transmitting information that could not be accumulated later by the experience of man (such as Divine Revelation) what is the point of arguing about history?

There is very little means to prove anything about ancient history if we do not believe the testimonies of those who lived at the time.

A lot of people here also do not believe the testimonies....

...of eyewitnesses at the nazi death camps. To them it must mean that every poor Jewish farmer or tailor was part of the zog movement to take over the world and, therefore, must have lied about what they saw, of course, to further their plans for world domination through mass extermination of themselves.

I didn't say he was myth

Atwill did. I just posted the article as a topic of discussion....

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Well then, I will...

..just for the record.

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A thinking Christian will welcome the debate

There is no reason to be upset by this post. Close your mind and don't expect others to open theirs.

Very few

I have found that there are very few of those. The firewall is up from the very start. There was one here named "Bear" that would have very intelligent open debate and respect for those that were not quite "all in". She was a joy to talk too.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

What do you mean by "free"?

sorry, wrong reply..

I see this as somewhat possible

That the new testament is sort of a "protocols of the elders of zion" type thing - some early propaganda. The Romans tweaked Chirstianity as time went on - for example the council of nicea.

Not even an interesting theory.

Does Atwill think the internet existed back then?

Propaganda?

Tell me again how that works without printing presses.

Typically, the way propaganda worked back then was to embellish a legacy for the sake of history. It could not be used to influence the current population. How exactly would that work?

Regardless, Rome did not have a problem collecting taxes until around AD 30. Before that, the treasury would spill over, and they typically gave a portion of the treasury back to the citizens as a rebate.

I also find it very hard that JC did not exist. Forget about the whole massiah thing for now. There was a a great deal of recorded history going on at the time, and JC shows up quite a bit. I find it hard to believe the guy never even existed.

God Bless

Hmmm

He could have existed....I can see that.
Propaganda can exist without being printed. Word of mouth and conspiracy still existed....

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Well there are two problems with that.

1. Rome was an empire prior to the birth of Jesus so there would be no need for conspiracies. An emperor can do as it chooses. There really can only be one type of conspiracy in an empire. Mutiny.

2. Word of mouth over a vast empire by people using mules and camals to travel, is a very slow process. And if the propaganda was a way to collect taxes then it is a moot point. The treasury at the time of JC was too full. They were giving money back at the time.

Now if this were a century later then the concept is much more palatable. By then the empire was hemorrhaging cash and needed a fix.

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uhhhh...

"the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ".

I don't think so. They weren't that smart!

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L M A O ! :)_) THREE points !

I don't think so. They weren't that smart!

L M A O ! :)_)

THREE points !

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"Pensées"

"Pensées"

Faith indeed tells me what my senses do not tell, but not the contrary of what they see. It is above them and not contrary to them :

Knowing God without knowing my own flaws makes for pride.

Knowing my own flaws without knowing God makes for despair.

Knowing Jesus Christ strikes the balance, for He shows me both God and my own flaws.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Even if Atwill was correct the Jesus story would not

be the greatest conspiracy of all time because that slot is already taken by the monotheistic "God Story" as perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Religious Organization or Big Religion ... but that's another story.
If anyone cares to follow the dots: the great Sleeping Prophet Edgar Cayce about 80 years ago in one of his sleep readings announced that "Jesus is the reincarnation of the god Tuhutti." Now, for all of you who know some pre-Biblical history Tuhutti was a god in Egypt whose father was the great god Ptah, the first god of Egypt. Ptah previously was a great god in the Mesopotamian region and his name there was Ea, which is the correct spelling and pronunciation of the name Jehovah. So there you have it -- Tuhutti/Jesus is the son of Ptah/Ea/Jehovah/God - according to Cayce who was never proved wrong about anything.

The God Story: Jehovah or Ea was by all accounts the most popular god of a pantheon of gods who came to Earth close to 1/2 million years ago ... and stayed, well, at least for 400,000 years according to Zecharia Sitchin.

The Roman Empire on the wane to better control the populace insisted the citizens select the most popular god among the many idolized to be the God who all citizens would revere; and so Ea was chosen God. After hundreds of years newer generations only knew of the One God which was Ea, whose name spelling changed to Jehovah, and at some point in time Big Religion decided the true story of God was not good enough so made God a magical figure who was Pure Spirit who created the entire Universe, while the true story of Ea as one of many very physical gods from a distant planet who came to Earth was corrupted.

For what it's worth, I believe whoever has the biggest stick writes the history. The last straw for me was recently reading Thomas DiLorenzo's The Real Lincoln and discovering Lincoln was on par with non other than Mao Tse Tung. Lincoln was a dictator who wanted all blacks colonized and shipped out of America, who created the bloodiest war in American history while destroying the U.S.Constitution; and he gets the country's largest memorial.

I believe Jesus existed but his story must have been embellished over the years.