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Pricking the Bubble of Gandhi, MLK and Mandela Worship

Far be it from me to destroy anyone's childish faith, but the level of sappy, ignorant, head in the sand adulation of these 20th century secular saints gets to be stomach turning after a while. Sorry, but I can't resist pricking a good, overblown bubble when it gets this obnoxious.

For one thing, all three were one manner or another of socialist, ranging from the militant communism of Mandela to the more ethical socialism of Gandhi with its subtle nuances, MLK being somewhere in between. I'll leave the economics aside for now, as it is secondary.

Gandhi, despite his many admirable qualities, was an out an out racist who regarded the black "kaffirs" of South Africa as uncivilized savages who ought not be classed with Indians. His offense at Indian nationals being thrown together with black natives under the British dominion in South Africa was part of what motivated his early nationalism and political activity.

“A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.”

“We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they [the British] do, only we believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race.”

In response to the mixing of Indian workers and blacks in South Africa, Gandhi wrote "Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension. [. . .]Of course, under my suggestion, The Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly.”

His supportive view of India's caste system are more controversial and changed over the years, so I won't go into that.

Mises had quite a low regard for Gandhi and expressed this in his Socialism and Omnipotent Government. He opined in the former that Gandhi's anti-colonialism promoted the expropriation of rightful property claims and constituted the theft of capital investment from individuals and firms which had provided the basis for India's industrialization. Companies that had entered into contracts in good faith and modernized India's economy had their rights trampled by state collectivism and political nationalism. Ayn Rand had similar views on the expropriation of western investment by nationalistic political movements using the state for confiscatory purposes.

Mises also pointed out the hypocrisy of Gandhi, who he felt had undermined his own convictions the moment he stepped into a western hospital to be treated for illness. From Omipotent Government: "Mahatma Gandhi expresses a loathing for the devices of the petty West and of devilish capitalism. But he travels by railroad or by motor car and, when ill, goes for treatment to a hospital equipped with the most refined instruments of Western surgery."

For good measure Gandhi also abandoned his wife for a homosexual affair with a German body builder. According to the recent Huffpo review of New York Times executive editor Joseph Lelyveld's Gandhi biography Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi And His Struggle With India: "Gandhi is also said to have encouraged his ­17-year-old great-niece, Manu, to be naked during her "nightly cuddles" with him, and began sleeping with her and other young women. He reportedly told a woman on one occasion: "Despite my best efforts, the organ remained aroused. It was an altogether strange and shameful experience."

I'll make shorter work of M.L.K. and Mandela.

Reverend King was an absolute moral reprobate who could not control his sexual appetites and regularly cheated on his wife with prostitutes. He was so blatant and non-discreet about it that J. Edgar Hoover had him on tape in the act bellowing obscenities damning enough to constitute blackmail for slippery J. Edgar and to be sealed from the public from FOIA requests until the year 2027 by our transparent federal government. Apparently our benevolent overseers, and the King family, consider it better for our emotional well being not to know these tidbits.

King was also a noted plagiarist who shamelessly used the writings of others in his own speeches and doctoral dissertation without attribution.

He hobnobbed with Communist party members like his main financial handler, speechwriter and organizer Stanely Levison, who was was in the leadership of the Communist Party USA in the 1950s.

Well, enough on this questionable character who children sing to.

Nelson Mandela was a raised fist communist and an actual terrorist who was convicted of helping plan murders and bombings as part of the leadership of South Africa's communist African National Congress. He was not a pacifist nor an innocent man imprisoned unjustly for crimes he did not commit. He had blood on his hands and was punished for crimes he did commit. Only the leniency of the South African government saved him from execution to allow for his later release and canonization. For his role in transforming South Africa into a modern democracy, each can judge for himself how that turned out!

I realize that it is rhetorically convenient to embrace these establishment saints and try to claim them as libertarian icons, the way a charlatan like Glenn Beck does. I even understand the sentimental pull of their overpowering public images. In the phrase of Joseph Conrad, they seem like "emissaries of light, something like a lower sort of apostle," paragons of unselfishness and virtue. It is hard to separate the real men from their legends.

But truth has to win out over sentiment. If we are to be honest in our own hearts and respect ourselves intellectually, we have to abandon these shady figures. If you need heroes to worship, I'd suggest finding some new ones who aren't so clearly tainted and dependent on establishment whitewashed history.

The power of truth will ultimately prevail and things with feet of clay will fall. There are plenty of real heroes we can celebrate rather than borrowing the spent cultural elites febreezed dirty laundry and recycled trash. The power of love will show the way to honoring the unsung men and women of real moral character who get no such accolades.

To them, then!



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I'm surprised at the moral demagoguory

Though I hadn't thought about the possibility of Ghandi being pissed off that he was in the same rail car as Nelson Mandela's mom.

Hero worship is a bad thing, and so I hate the way media dotes on these guys, and the way some people worship them as if everything they ever did was good.

But all three opposed their government, for very valid reasons, which is a good thing.

May the odds be ever in their favor.

There is a difference between a god and a hero.

For those who would "worship" those individuals, you might be right to point out their human flaws. But there is nothing wrong in looking at those three men or others as heroes *for* some laudable character trait such as courage or conviction, or some outstanding achievement or effort, i.e., the qualities or deeds for which they are best known.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

good point--

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Im not really concerned with

Im not really concerned with the bedroom behavior or economic policy of well meaning socialists. All three of those guys were admirable, to the same extent as Ralph Nader, Drnnis Kucinich, and Glenn Greenwald. Using the smear "evidence" that Hoover obtained illegally on MLK to discredit him is not fitting of a Constitutionalist.

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why are you getting downvoted--

Hoover was a monster--

anyway, I agree--

I don't think *I* could have been 'friends' with any of these men, but they did accomplish some good things--

in spite of themselves, perhaps?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Im not really concerned with

Im not really concerned with the bedroom behavior or economic policy of well meaning socialists. All three of those guys were admirable, to the same extent as Using the smear "evidence" that Hoover obtained illegally on MLK to discredit him is not fitting of a Constitutionalist.

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You're a bit too expeditious with MLK, no?

You're a bit too expeditious with MLK, no?

What happens in people's bedrooms is none of my business, and I only expect justice to be seriously rendered when abusers are found guilty, after their victims have come forward.

As for his habit of plagiarism, this is news to me, but hey, I truly wonder who hasn't fallen for it at some point, being caught or not...

... in the last two centuries. Nope, no kidding. Just think about it.

Finally, people who know me also know what I think of the collectivist thinking, and on that one, I don't buy much into this guilt by association re: MLK. Have you considered he may just have been simply approached and deceived by them rather? I have some clues - to say the least - about the formidable snakes they can be, but I guess I don't need to make you drawing...

If anything else, I can't think of a message other than in MLK's speeches valuing more the individual character and rejecting the group think and division, precisely.

I won't bother trying to defend Gandhi about whom I know next to nothing (I would do a terrible job, although I'm a bit shocked/surprised by some claims in your post), nor Mandela, whose case isn't news to me... especially re: his implicit complacence for his wife's "football" activities.

My conviction is even a man like MLK would be VERY righteously angry and ashamed for his fellow Americans to see the Beast they have allowed today in that oval lair office.

Just IMO.

Peace.

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King

"Reverend King was an absolute moral reprobate who could not control his sexual appetites and regularly cheated on his wife with prostitutes. He was so blatant and non-discreet about it that J. Edgar Hoover had him on tape in the act bellowing obscenities damning enough to constitute blackmail for slippery J. Edgar and to be sealed from the public."

I have to disagree right here. What went on in MLK's bedroom was none of the FBI's damn business. The same with Lennon, who they had a file on, and no doubt Robert Kennedy. Hoover was totally power drunk worried about some "communist revolution" happening in the 60s and 70s. King should be judged by his actions and words to the outside world. You will find complexities and flaws with all these personalities. That is because they were human beings. I think having a tape recorder under your bed, being sent death threats from the FBI director, and then later being assassinated does vindicate private bedside activity. Also, meeting with alleged communists... this is an attempt at guilt by association.

You can look at ANY, ANY

You can look at ANY, ANY beloved figure and find things like this. A huge hero around here, Jefferson, was a racist slaver who raped his slaves. George Washington censored the press. Many American presidents were drunks, clansmen, etc. Hayek wrote some things that suggested he was strongly in favor of socialism.

Heck, Ron Paul has made some dumb statements in his day.

The important thing is to not let the message get lost...

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I'm just going to focus on

I'm just going to focus on MLK becuase he's the one I know best out of the three.

The things you don't' like about him are: had affairs, said some obscene things, plagiarized some speeches, was a socialist.

Even assuming that all of that is 100% true, he was also essential in ridding this country of government sanctioned (and government enforced) racial segregation. That had a huge effect on this country for the better, and even made a more libertarian society.

Meanwhile, how big is the harm that came from his affairs, his obscenities, his plagiarism, his socialistic beliefs?

This is like people that discredit the tremendous advancement of the Declaration of Independence because Jefferson owned slaves and did some unconstitutional things as president.

All valid points. If that's

All valid points. If that's the case, then the legacy of these individuals should be able to withstand an airing of all the facts, as in the case of Thomas Jefferson. Perhaps the halo will be gone, but then we can celebrate the real people like adults. Making such people into the secular saints of a deranged new age religion by only telling half the story is no proper way to honor their memory. Let's understand and celebrate the real people.

fair--

enough.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

C'mon, then

Let's hear about some of your heroes. This should be good.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

I'm not big into hero worship

I'm not big into hero worship but I'll take this opportunity to mention one forgotten heroine who doesn't seem to be either a pervert or murderer, so that's a plus.

Jeannette Rankin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeannette_Rankin

interesting--

certainly a woman with principles!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

glitch bump

glitch bump

Bhagat Singh

Learn about him.

Gandhi is the most talked about, but there were many individuals skeptical of the state that helped India achieve independence from the British Empire.

Do you have any sins to confess?

Please list them below.

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LOL!

WHY are you being downvoted? Here; I'll get you back to negative one--

LOL!

THANK you for the chuckle. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but it was my first chuckle for the day--

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Lust Wrath Pride But as far

Lust
Wrath
Pride

But as far as I'm aware no one has erected a goofy religion around me based on lies.

LOL!

"Bill" and Chris, thanks for the chuckles!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

All them - and I'd add

sloth and gluttony.

Love my sloth and gluttony.

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Gluttony is my favorite sin

Gluttony for sex, especially

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

Glustony

Glustony

I understand what you are saying--

I have never seen these men as heroes; I just know that some of the things they did were good--

it's that way with most humans, actually--

I knew about MLK and Ghandi, but not about Mandela--

however, Dr. Paul has always pointed out the good things that bad men have done--

and that has been my tendency as well--

heroes? No humans.

I may say, "that man is a hero" when someone speaks out, but the fact is that I don't have any heroes--

a person can do heroic things and still be very flawed--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thomas Jefferson not only

Thomas Jefferson not only held slaves, he was a demonstrable white supremacist. He also massively expanded the power of federal government by purchasing land which wasn't a power granted in the Constitution. Much more importantly, he issued what could be considered the first executive order -- and it was a doosey! He forbade American ships from leaving port in a confusing and utterly failed attempt to increase (yep) free trade (the Embargo).

You can find flaws in nearly everyone, and it's true that frequently the bad outweighs the good. But that shouldn't stop us from pointing out the good.

I did upvote you, as bringing truth to light isn't a bad thing. But I do afford a large level of lenience with my fellow humans, seeing as they are (most likely) in the same boat as myself with regard to the extreme difficulty of being right all the time.

I agree, but people know this

I agree, but people know this about Thomas Jefferson, and he isn't worshiped as a near divinity by millions of sappy chuckleheads. The reason a bubble need be pricked is to bring it back to earth. When all the facts are on the table, the person can be properly evaluated.

Feet of clay

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Thank you for the wonderful

Thank you for the wonderful insight Bill. I have shared this on FB and tweeted to all my followers. I just hope this can rise above the downvote powers the paid shills posses.

You are welcome my friend. I

You are welcome my friend. I too hope the paid shills will see the light one day and give back their pieces of silver. They aren't just online, either. I often run into people in the real world who disagree with me, and must therefore be paid shills. I just hope everyone can embrace facts without needing to be divisive and rude. Hope does not die just because pretty lies perish.