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Ender's Game


I don't know if the movie can possibly be as good as the book, which ranks definitely in the Nystrom Top 100:

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I fear

that this movie will be a recruiting tool for a new generation of drone pilots. The Ender and Shadow books were wonderful, but they were in no way anti-state, nor is Card a libertarian. Battle school was very cool in the books, and if the kids didn't know that they were fighting real battles, it's just sad that they didn't know how "patriotic" they were being, wiping out an alien species. That's not a good message.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Well, Roberto Orci is a

Well, Roberto Orci is a producer of this movie and he is actually quite a radical, at least by Hollywood standards. Loves Ron Paul, is virulently anti-government and is also big time into conspiracy theories, or as he likes to call them "coincidence theories". He will also call out his detractors and fight them head to head. He quit Twitter not very long ago because he was infuriated with the criticism of his last Star Trek movie script. I like the guy.

The book sequels are excellent as well

It was a Hugo and Nebula Award sweep for a couple of years running. Xenocide and Speaker for the Dead are excellent as well.

hated the original sequals

but loved the shadow series. Particularly the part about how they go about making a world government. Card actually does a fairly good job describing how it could happen, but he is crazy to think that once we have a world government it will be benevolent.

The Ender's Shadow series

Have you read any of the Shadow series of Ender's Game? They are pretty low on my reading list since I see them as supplements to the original story and possibly not as powerful as that first read of Ender's Game was for me.

I prefered the shadow series

I prefered the shadow series over some of the Ender series ones. It got boring between Xenocide and Speaker for the Dead for me. Dont forget the prequels about the first war.

I cant wait

This has been my favorite book for over a decade, and ever since I first read it I wanted a movie of it. I have been tracking the movie for the past 2 years. Of course I expect the movie to screw it up , I just hope it isn't to bad.

If you want to see some good videos, look at fan made trailers. I find most are better than the actual movie trailers.

Yawn. More "Alien Fear pr0n"?

Why can't beings from other planets ever be depicted as MORE peaceful than WE ARE?

Isn't the [d]elitist "End Game" plan a fake alien invasion? Is this just more conditioning and pre-programming to fear "things from above"?

I don't buy it. And I'm definitely not paying for this. Last "alien" movie I spent my money on was 'District 9' which is probably more based in "reality" than these types of films.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

If you read not only Enders

If you read not only Enders Game, but the following books, specifically Speaker for the Dead (EDIT: It may be Xenocide that I am referring to here) you will see that it isn't just Alien Fear. While yes District 9 was fairly realistic for what we might expect in one situation, Enders Game is completely realistic in the situation posed in Ender's universe. Ill briefly explain what happens and why if you are interested in knowing.


Enders Game takes place 70 years after a second invasion from the Formics. The first invasion was to scout and begin terraform the planet, the second was a colony that had already been on its way before the first arrived. The humans had no idea of this and saw it as 2 attacks. Since there was no communication between the 2 races there could be no negotiating. So the humans decide to launch their own attack against the threat, and end up wiping them out.

Later in Speaker for the Dead Andrew finds the last remaining egg of a queen and learns of their story (they finally found a way to communicate with us). Since they were more of a hive colony, with a queen controlling every drone, they couldn't see that we were intelligent as well. They thought at best we were disposable drones. They didn't realize this until after the second invasion, in which point they stopped. But it was to late since the humans launched their attack already.

The later books go on to show how different views and propaganda can change human perception of things. But what I have explained is very fitting of humans, possibly even being to kind. The humans, with no communication to the Formics, fought with all they could against them. But our technology was primitive at the time, in fact a lot was learned from the Formics. And seeing this constant threat, we launched our counter attack to end it once we could. In 'Earth Unaware' (the story of the first invasion) you see how even from the first interactions, the humans perceived the Formics as hostile, and rightly so. But like I said, it was essentially due to miscommunication from two completely different species.


Now, our first alien interaction may go better. But it depends on a number of factors. We think and communicate in certain ways, and if the aliens fit our general conception of this, then sure, they may be peaceful or at least try to communicate at first. But we have nothing to support they will. We cant even communicate with other species on our own planet easily. (and yes there are a few that can learn to communicate with us) What we are talking about is a species that has evolved on a different planet entirely. Their evolutionary path will most likely be completely different, to the point we may not be able to comprehend them.

So not only would we have to think about communicating in the same manner, we would also have to precieve each other as an intelligent life form before we attempt to. I, along with many others, would like to think our first interaction will go peacefully, but we have no guarantee of that.

Thank you!

Sounds like quite the fitting metaphor for the way humanity typically reacts to "foreigners" of any kind.

I suppose I just displayed that same level of thinking basing my whole opinion on just what I saw on the surface. But how nice to have an explanation as the one you have provided :)

My "belief" in what "they" might be like is that they would be peaceful but not stupid. To be able to travel intergalactically, would mean a fundamental understanding of the universe and the abundant energy source that would need to be tapped into. That's something we are only beginning to scrape the surface of. This same "energy" is what creates all there is and if you can really understand that on a fundamental level then you must come to the knowing that all is Creation and destruction is an unnatural force.

Sure, it's no guarantee, but some things require a bit of faith.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Agreed, and that is a fairly

Agreed, and that is a fairly common thought of scientist.

Any space fairing race has to be fairly organized and have high technology, which takes cooperation. They would also be intelligent and understand that other species may be completely different. It is assumed that they will be more peaceful because of this.

But there are things that go contrary to this. War for us is a major driver of technology. We have a problem with investing 16billion to scientific study, but as soon as you label the technology you're developing as a weapon you can tap into the 700 billion in funds for war. Other races may be similar. Also we can be cooperative with our own country men, but not with people from other countries on things. Imagine what will happen when you throw other species in there. Sure (like in Enders Game) the humans may stick together now, but that may only lead to more hatred of the other species.

And it may offend some, but you have to look at religion for this as well. It is another way of have a group of people come together for a goal, which can achieve a lot, but they can still be violent people. Throughout our history we have religions killing others because they were different. I also have to think back to Eve online and the Amarr. One of the highest in technology because they all have something to work together for, but they use it to enslave others.

As humans we are beginning to enter into space, but we are still so far away from giving up the needless violence. Hopefully by the time we become a true space faring race we can have a singularity that enlightens us, and sheds us of this flaw. And hopefully any other species out there goes through the same first.

We should be prepared for war as a last resort, but offer peace.

Likewise, Agreed.

The only thing that I will sort of add as a "good sign" of our human tendencies towards War for Profit, is that people are finally seeing it as just that. Actually, not just that but also control.

War divides and Division is Control.

But the force of "Love" that is increasing in awareness and momentum across the globe is a very welcome revelation. Thanks to our ability for the first time in World History to be in a time where we have this global consciousness growing each day (the Internet), we are beginning to see that Hate and Fear need to be PERPETUATED and Imposed upon humanity to keep the "mechanics" of Division and Control in place to serve the FEW that use it all as tools to hoard their physical wealth while they remain spiritually poor.

Religions have only been a casualty of these old methods. I've read many religious texts, Christian and others, and I have never come across anything that would incite violence within me. So where did all these "Religious" Wars come from? From the people that sought to exploit them for control.

These are all just weaknesses of "Powerful" men/women. But that "power" is all illusionary. It has no basis in the Laws of Nature. Only in tactics of Control. And since people are now becoming more in tune with the Laws of Nature and the Universe, humanity is becoming more at ONE with all of this life has to offer.

Historically, I believe you are 100% accurate in describing how we, as a human species, got to where we are today. However, we are also on NEW ground and we're actually making History as we Awaken in becoming a Global community that embraces its differences.

Hey, didn't we just stop a war in Syria because of the internet and immediate spread of information? Have we even noticed that we have done so for the FIRST time EVER? Seems to me we have expended our consciousness to the Global Level rather than just Nationalistic narrow-sightedness.

What do you think?

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I think you may be right, and

I think you may be right, and that way may be beginning an age of enlightenment. After all it is time for a change.
And while I do hope this is true so I can live to see it and be a part of it I worry as well. How many generations have believed the same thing and failed. It will be so easy for us to fail and fall back into the old.

So while I hope it is true, it is something we have to monitor closely.

And yes, we did stop one war, atleast for now. But there will be many more to come, not all will be stopped, and some may even require fighting for us to succeed.

The Dangers are real, but Fear is an Option.

I ride sport bikes, which are dangerous but I have let go of the Fear of riding them. The danger is the same but my lack of Fear of that Danger keeps me alive and clear-headed to be able to respond quickly if I need to (and boy, have I needed to).

I see what you are saying, that we can just fall into old patterns that have come and gone, but unlike before, humanity didn't have the internet to get around nationalistic propaganda and lies. We used to rely on our Media to tell us what's going on, yet today we see it all as just another of the tools for control. As a result, independent and citizen journalism is exploding and REALLY informing the people on the issues and world events that matter. That "Kony 2012" thing fell apart quicker than it "magically" accumulated millions of views. People seem to be able to "feel" the bulls*** no matter how good the production value is.

We haven't given ourselves enough credit for this technological evolution we are undergoing right now. Not sure that's something that can easily been seen whilst in the midst of such a paradigm shift but you can just see the bigger picture long enough to get a taste of it.

In all honesty, I think our human perception and growing global consciousness (technological and spiritual) cannot be stopped. The momentum of Truth in all its forms is too great for the weak attempts by a few humans to perpetuate the "Empire of Lies" for much longer.

Don't worry about living to see the day to see it all happen, instead realize you are awake and aware that you are already a part of it, friend. We all are. Human or not ;)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Loved this book; not holding breath for movie, though

I think the story of Ender's Game is very relevant in our death-from-above, drone-mad military and LE agencies of late.

I'm reminded of a lyric from Roger Waters from his album "Amused to Death" (title derived from a book by Neil Postman):

Just love those laser guided bombs
They're really great
For righting wrongs
You hit the target
And win the game
From bars 3,000 miles away
3,000 miles away
We play the game
With the bravery of being out of range
We zap and maim
With the bravery of being out of range
We strafe the train
With the bravery of being out of range
We gained terrain
With the bravery of being out of range
With the bravery of being out of range
We play the game
With the bravery of being out of range

Hey bartender, over here, two more shots and two more beers

Hey bartender, over here, two more shots and two more beers

Sir, can you turn up the tv sound?

The war has started on the ground

I looked over yonder and what did I see?

I saw a US Marine in a pile of debris...

One day, I'm gonna' change my name to Dale Lee Paul

Old man, who the hell you gonna' kill next?

Love that song!

It must have been around 20 years ago I read Ender's Game

Excellent book, but I seriously doubt the movie will do it any justice

One day, I'm gonna' change my name to Dale Lee Paul

Chilling corollary b/t our 'reality' and Ender's Game, this

Lt Col Bruce Black (US drone pilot who flies predator missions into Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan, speaking of the emotional detachment after engaging in 'combat' through a virtual Predator Drone interface): "The disconnection is astounding ... it's amazing."

"Astounding?" "Amazing?" I'd call it a cynical, sickening and dehumanizing aspect of 'modern warfare'.

Thanks for the link, Manystrom.

Great book

Keeping my expectations low for the movie.