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Something I Never Knew About Maynard Keynes-He Was a Sexual Deviate!

Thanks to Ron Paul and many of you here at DP, I knew that Keynes was a treacherous economist. However, I did not realize that his economics flowed from his atheistic beliefs and his desire to destroy society through vice. It all ties together!

" In 1967 the world was startled by the publication of the letters between Lytton Strachey and Maynard Keynes. Undisputed evidence in their private correspondence shows that Keynes was a life-long sexual deviate.(12) What was more shocking was that these practices extended to a large group. Homosexuality, sado-masochism, lesbianism, and the deliberate policy of corrupting the young was the established practice of this large and influential group which eventually set the political and cultural tone for the British Empire.

Keynes’ sexual partner, Lytton Strachey, indicated that their sexual attitudes could be infiltrated, “subtly, through literature, into the bloodstream of the people, and in such a way that they accepted it all quite naturally....” [Note: that's now happening in schools across America!]...

Keynes and his fellow voluptuaries made numerous excursions to the resorts ringing the Mediterranean, where little boys were sold by their parents to bordellos catering to homosexual appetites.(14)"

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Keynes apparently believed we would all be working a 10 hour week by now, such was his faith in technological progress.

Confused deist commentary.

Atheism is not a philosophy in itself. It is simply a non-belief in some invisible, ephemeral, being existing somewhere on a cloud in the sky and controlling the universe all the way down to each sub-atomic particle.

For the Christians who might read this, atheism is based on reality itself and not some mythology about a 2000 year dead Jewish prophet who was divine only by a declaration nearly 300 years after his supposed death by deists voting for such at the First Ecumenical Council at Nicea in 325. There is no existing historical proof for his existence.

The Gospel writers Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John didn't even have their Jewish law right and confused the Jews having this Jeshua guy killed as a heretic when the indications are that Pilate crucified, him for sedition against Rome, as only the Romans could do, not for violating Jewish law. If the Jews had killed him it would have been by stoning.

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Atheism is a rational belief that there is no God.

"For the Christians who might read this, atheism is based on reality itself"

This depends upon what one understands reality to be. My guess is that you mean the visible, sensible universe that is accessible to observation by the natural five senses and includes inferences drawn from such observation. If this is indeed what you mean then you have arbitrarily eliminated any possibility of the existence of other dimensions that are not accessible to the natural five senses and reasoning based upon the evidence derived from them.

These other dimensions are usually referred to as spiritual and are understood to be accessible to the spirit of the human being who has been empowered to so access them by the denizens of these dimensions or by the One who created everything in the first place. Self evidently if one denies the very existence of such dimensions then it is impossible to access them unless empowered to do so by a sovereign act of God Himself as was the apostle Paul on the road to Damascus. In other words God is not limited by the wilfulness of man.

However, there have been literally millions of events during the past two thousand years, including this present age, that are well attested to for which there is no rational explanation based upon physical evidence. The claims made for these events have always been that the Spirit of Jesus Christ operating in one of His followers has healed diseases, caused the blind to see, the deaf to hear, the crippled to walk and the dead to live again. That there have been frauds perpetrated has also been recorded but this will always be the case: where the Spirit of God is working the adversary of God is producing counterfeits. This has also been ordained of God to test His saints.

These events, or signs of the Spirit of God at work, have been given for the express purpose of glorifying the Name of Jesus and to validate His message of reconciliation that is preached by His messengers. He does this in order to reach even the sceptical searcher who is willing to accept the reality of the spiritual dimensions and their activity in the lives of humanity. The greatest sign that was given was of course that of His resurrection, His ascension into the highest spiritual realm and His return in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost in 33 A.D. to take up residence and generate new life in His waiting disciples.

"There is no existing historical proof for his existence."

As I have mentioned above, the evidence for the Reality of the Lord Jesus Christ is well attested to, not only from the records of His life when on the Earth in human form, but of His continuing work in His followers and messengers since that time throughout the past two thousand years. There have been literally millions of pages written about His work in that time resulting in the conversion of billions to His Kingdom.

With regard to the question of Jewish law and the testimony of the Gospel writers, I have no doubt that the scriptures are accurate since they are inspired by the Giver of the Law Himself. One of the scriptures from the Law that applies to this event is Deuteronomy 21:21-23:

"If a person commits a sin punishable by death and is executed, and you hang the corpse on a tree, his body must not remain all night on the tree; instead you must make certain you bury him that same day, for the one who is left exposed on a tree is cursed by God. You must not defile your land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance."

It is true that the Roman governor was the only one with the authority to pass a death sentence by crucifixion and so fulfil the Law. However there was a trial before the Sanhedrin that preceded the trial before Pilate and in that trial the chief priests and elders passed a death sentence upon Jesus for the sin of blasphemy because He claimed to be the Son of God. They then conspired to deliver Him to Pilate to be tried for sedition, the evidence for which they themselves provided. Since they were the cause of the trial and the prosecutors and since they demanded the death sentence the Law itself holds them responsible for the ultimate execution carried out at the hands of gentiles. This is clearly stated by the apostle Peter in his first speech to the men of Israel after the coming of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost.

“Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man clearly attested to you by God with powerful deeds, wonders, and miraculous signs that God performed among you through him, just as you yourselves know – this man, who was handed over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you executed by nailing him to a cross at the hands of Gentiles. But God raised him up, having released him from the pains of death, because it was not possible for him to be held in its power.

For David says about him,

‘I saw the Lord always in front of me,

for he is at my right hand so that I will not be shaken.

Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue rejoiced;

my body also will live in hope,

because you will not leave my soul in Hades,

nor permit your Holy One to experience decay.

You have made known to me the paths of life;

you will make me full of joy with your presence.’

“Brothers, I can speak confidently to you about our forefather David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. So then, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, David by foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did his body experience decay. This Jesus God raised up, and we are all witnesses of it. So then, exalted to the right hand of God, and having received the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you both see and hear."

The consistent message of the Gospel of the Kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ has been preached throughout the past two thousand years and has been believed in by millions who have testified in word and deed of their personal experience of His power in their lives. Many have died rather than recant their faith.

This is surely evidence of the kind that even the most sceptical rationalist must accept and they therefore have no excuse for refusing to believe. It is only by the sovereign grace of God that men are saved so that grace will still save even those who have rejected Him, when it is their time to be apprehended for the Kingdom. Refusal to believe does not disqualify anyone from receiving the Life of God in due time. If we have borne the image of the earthly man we shall also bear the image of the Heavenly Man.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Good grief! Get a grip. Focus

Good grief! Get a grip. Focus on his "Economics" brilliance. Why do you feel your posting is relevant? Why do you feel we need to know what his personal habits are?

I notice you answered my

I notice you answered my question with another question...again irrelevant!

We need not delve into keynes' sexual proclivities because we

Only need to know one thing about him- his economics were deviant

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The concept of deficit vs

The concept of deficit vs debt was brilliant at the time.... or so I thought along with everyone else. What has proven over a relatively short time is that it was just an interim band-aid fix not a cure for an ailing economy, As far as I see it, it has become an ongoing strategy. Now we are in an abyss of insurmountable debt...which has nothing to do with the man's recreational private time.

The Bloomsbury Group (or Set)

Keynes was a member of the Bloomsbury Group which was "an influential group of associated English writers, intellectuals, philosophers and artists, the best known members of which included Virginia Woolf, John Maynard Keynes, E. M. Forster and Lytton Strachey. This loose collective of friends and relatives lived, worked or studied together near Bloomsbury, London, during the first half of the 20th century. According to Ian Ousby, "although its members denied being a group in any formal sense, they were united by an abiding belief in the importance of the arts". Their works and outlook deeply influenced literature, aesthetics, criticism, and economics as well as modern attitudes towards feminism, pacifism, and sexuality." (Wikipedia)


Later in life Keynes himself is on record as criticising the Group:

"on the eve of war Keynes gave a "nostalgic and disillusioned account of the pure sweet air of G. E. Moore, that belief in undisturbed individualism, that Utopianism based on a belief in human reasonableness and decency, that refusal to accept the idea of civilisation as 'a thin and precarious crust' ... Keynes's fond, elegiac repudiation of his "early beliefs", in the light of current affairs ("We completely misunderstood human nature, including our own")". (ibid.)

There can be no doubt that the beliefs Keynes held influenced his economic thinking. He was a brilliant theorist and at the same time a hedonist who valued pleasure in all aspects of life as a paramount good. When his economic theories were criticised on the ground that they would bring about economic disaster "in the long run" he is reported to have replied "... in the long run we are all dead".

The question of how one's deeply held convictions affect one's intellectual theories is a perennial one. It is the underlying presupposition that indeed they do that gives rise to the attacks on the personal habits of anyone proposing or disseminating ideas in any field. One only need recall the personal attacks on Ron Paul in an effort to undermine his credibility to see this tendency in action. However, the early moral philosophy embraced by the Bloomsbury Group was that proposed by G.M. Moore who believed that "intrinsic worth" can be distinguished from "instrumental value".

"Moore's differentiation between intrinsic and instrumental value allowed the Bloomsburies to maintain an ethical high-ground based on intrinsic merit, independent of, and without reference to, the consequences of their actions. For Moore, intrinsic value depended on an indeterminable intuition of good and a concept of complex states of mind whose worth as a whole was not proportionate to the sum of its parts." (ibid.)

This then provided the Group with a moral justification for their controversial sexual behaviour and relationships. Whether they were indeed justified in such a view is open to question. Keynes himself seems to have departed from it later in his life.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Junk Article

Once I read that it was saying all homosexuals are pedos I had to stop. Sorry to say but it's a piece of trash of an article. If Keynes was a pedo I agree he had some issues but can we please stop with the gay bashing articles? I mean the author could not figure out that a lesbian is a woman lol.

I'm just curious about how

he managed to pull off "lesbianism" of the allegations on that list.

Really, who cares?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I read a book written by a prostitute

"The Happy Hooker". She said the more powerful in society, government, business a man is, the kinkier they are. She said all her weird, kinky dangerous clients were the rich and powerful.

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Keynes was also chair of the British Eugenics Society.


Google is government.

when you own a big chunk of the bloody Third World....

the babies just come with the scenery.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche


I did not realize that his economics flowed from his atheistic beliefs and his desire to destroy society through vice.

You're controversial alright. Controversially crazy.

name calling so early in the discussion?

I've heard something about when your opponent turns to ad hominem attacks...

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

How's this?

I think your religious zealousness takes priority over your logic and you assume anyone who isn't Christian is out to ruin the world. No ad hominems, just opinions.

I did not realize that his economics flowed from his atheistic beliefs and his desire to destroy society through vice.

You're saying that his opinions on economics were formed partially by his atheism. Did you ever consider the fact that some of the men who formed Austrian Economics might be atheists? Are you going to discredit their Austrian economics for that?

I've seen time and time again you using your religious bias to discriminate against certain people and I'm just sick of it.

Keynesian economics is wrong because it's been proven to not work. Not because the creator was an atheist.

I have never said that an atheist cannot do anything good.

Nor would I make such an assertion. I'm very sorry that you've taken away from my comments that I think I am 'holier than thou'. I am no better than any other sinner. I am just as prone to be selfish and mean. I have however met The Truth and want to tell others about Him.

On the OP, I was merely saying that "I" realized something. If you don't agree, you certainly have that right.

And, just because one atheist does something because of his atheism, doesn't mean that all atheists will do the same thing.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

atheist or agnostic?

There is a difference.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

I agree, there is a difference.

I'm agnostic.

I've seen her (1controversialchick) discriminate against atheists, but I'm sure her "holier than thou" opinions stick to anyone who isn't Christian.

for more about keynes the

for more about keynes the man, read rothbard's keynes: the man, and read keynes at Harvard by some other guy. forgot his name... theyre both free online. bear in mind none of it refutes his economics its just fun to find out bad things about people we don't agree with.

Informative post thanks

Keynes was just another scumbag elitist pedophile, like those guys at Bohemian Grove. I urge people to read The Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant, and The Franklin Cover Up by John DeCamp.


"I did not realize that his economics flowed from his atheistic beliefs"

---Yeah....I'm going to need some proofs on that one. It is the banksters and the Neocons that support Christian Fundamentalism and turned this country into a fascist state.
I think you are probably making the assumption that only atheists are sexual deviants, when, in reality, the opposite is true.

But...I'm open to anything. If you have evidence his disgusting economic theory is based on not believing in a deity, then please present.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I will try to explain.

If you read and understand the Bible, you will see that Satan, as God's archenemy, will use whatever means he can to deceive people. People are the crown of God's creation, and as such, Satan wants to cause them pain and misery and ultimate destruction.

Satan cares not if he does this through 'atheism' or a false religion. However, when a man denies the creator's existence, he denies the creator's rules, one of the main ones being, "love thy neighbor as thyself". So, an atheist is then free to be a god unto himself and push an economic plan that will impoverish and destroy individuals and society. He is also free to deviate from God's plan for sex, by abusing himself with mankind and abusing small boys, etc. In his own mind, he has no God he will answer to, so why should he care.

Keynes knows different now though.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Thanks for the effort

But, you didn't answer the question even slightly. The OP made the claim that Keynes' economic theory and sexual deviancy was based on his atheism (and, not even sure he was one).

Yes, you can use your Satan excuse for anything, but that isn't evidence. And, you are free as well to deviate from your god's plan for sex, it isn't just a non-believer with that freedom. If that was true the free-will argument would disappear.

I don't have a god to answer to, and I don't abuse little boys, or little girls for that matter. I wonder why....? I live by a higher moral standard than most Christians around me and no sky-daddy to answer to. Again....why would that be?

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I answered, but you hear only what you want to hear.

Please read the following article for my thoughts on atheism. I didn't write the article, but it is what I'd say on the issue.


Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Ahh....The moral relevancy argument.

The article starts with a strawman fallacy, I almost stopped reading after the first sentence. Neither I nor any fellow atheist I have ever known "boldly declares disbelief". I simply don't have a belief in your deity, that is all.

I won't bother you with countering the article you posted. It would be an interesting read if it didn't rehash the most common fallacy used. I am of high moral character than because I do good to advance life and the human condition, make life better for myself, etc... You do good because you want a reward and to avoid a bad place. As long as you are doing good, I'm fine with it, and it matters not to me why you do it. When you do evil, it affects me and my world, so I will speak out. (Not you actually, "a religious person").

You still haven't answered the original question, although I as actually asking the OP. It is not I that has selective hearing.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

I am the OP silly.

I wasn't giving you the article as a philosophical argument to win a debate. I want to see you in heaven. You'll be dead a whole lot longer than you are alive, so it's important to know the truth about eternity.

I'm sorry that you are not my brother/sister in Christ, but I will not try to force you to agree. That is completely your choice. If you seek the truth you will find it.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html