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Rand Paul Muslim Bashing

Wow. You sure are losing it.

“From Boston to Zanzibar, there is a worldwide war on Christianity.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/14/rand-paul-s...



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Multiculturism has failed and the sky is falling

This is really tough to watch but important to watch at the same time. It's clear multiculturalism has failed. Some may call posting this video hate speech, I look at the pictures and just call it the truth. By sharing it with others hopefully people 1) wake up then 2) think hard about what to do. I personally think the thing to do is to enact orderly immigration laws that prohibit the immigration of Muslims specifically to prevent the same cultural breakdown from happening here. I want the melting pot to work, but that suggests one culture, not separate multi-cultures. If it sounds like it is dividing immigration along racial and religious lines to prevent people who want to divide along racial and religious lines from entering the country then so be it. If it sounds like violating freedom of religion to preserve freedom of religion, then welcome to the conundrum. Outside of that I do believe there is a culture. Isn't it necessary to protect the culture?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/A3YQANdvvbY

The Tea party crazies are

The Tea party crazies are comin'!

You Cannot Deny the Facts

Islam is definitely not a religion of peace.

Zanzibar!

Awesome place. I was there during Ramadan. I have never ever met nicer people - all black open-minded Muslim men. It was an extraordinary experience. I did not see any women though as is common in Muslim countries (sad). But the nicest people on earth, imho, are Zanzibarians, Peruvians, and Bhutanese. Rand has absolutely no idea what he is saying.

Islam is not a religion

It is a totalitarian ideology. IMHO, sharia law is political. So is dhimmitude. We would be better off by calling a spade a spade instead of believing that they believe in some perceived god.

Tons

Of Christians are being assaulted and/or worse in Africa and Asia as far as I recall.

donvino

How many

Muslims has the US killed in the "war on terror" in Iraq and elsewhere? After Saddam Hussein was toppled a US serviceman was quoted saying "I knew my god was stronger than your god."

Making this about religion is exactly the wrong thing to do.

That maybe correct

But I am wanting to stay on topic.

Fact: Many Christians are living in fear overseas. Their torment is great. Are you familiar with

...are you a neo-liberal by chance? just joking lol

Cheers,

900 Christians were butchered last year in Nigeria alone.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/5/more-900-chri...

donvino

No truer statement can be made

It has been the fuel for every conflict throughout the ages. At some point should a faith finally set an example of peace over conflict? Probably never happen due to the preaching of man. Every faith apparently needs an enemy to perpetually sustain it's self. Two wrongs do not make a right.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

He was basically quoting Michael Scheuer

And you guys sure seem to like him...What gives?

Look at these quotes carefully:

Radical Islam will end only when Islam begins to police Islam. Only when Islam allows her children to examine the firefly in the daylight will the knowledge and enlightenment begin to glow and grow and religious violence recede. We should all pray for that day to come sooner rather than later.

We send billions of dollars a year to Pakistan and Egypt. We helped put new Islamic regimes in place in Afghanistan and Iraq. President Obama now sends arms to Islamic Rebels in Syria. In Egypt the mob attacked our embassy and burned our flag. I don’t know about you…but I’ve had enough.
(Notice he didn't say, "let's go bomb some countries!)

AND...

To me, it doesn’t make any sense to send American arms, American planes or American troops to aid the Syrian rebels, who are on the same side of that war as Al Qaeda!

In the future, I see less and less likelihood that conventional wars and armies will defeat 50 million Muslims spread across the planet. Make no mistake, we should actively defend ourselves but the ultimate answer must come from Islam itself.

These Islamic Republics see us as invaders and infidels. They will never accept us through force of arms. Somehow, though, they must come to understand that they must police themselves, that they must root out and destroy the sadists and killers who distort and contort religion to justify killing civilians and children.

Islam needs to remember and recreate the good in their history. For centuries, the Middle East was home to the cultural and intellectual centers of the ancient world. Math and science flourished. Tolerance and sophistication were the norm.

The great medieval physician, Rhazes, identified smallpox and measles, while the Persian mathematician, al-Kwarizmi, made advances in algebra.

Islam carried the light of learning through the centuries. They paved the way for the Enlightenment. Innovation in the Muslim communities developed the magnetic compass, mastered pens and printing, and understood better than any other culture the diagnosis and treatment of disease.

As late as the 1960s it was said that books were written in Cairo, printed in Beirut, and read in Baghdad.

Most Muslims describe Islam as a peaceful and tolerant religion, that at one time prized inquiry over the heads of infidels; the scientific method over fanaticism. I believe Islam still contains the roots of these classical traditions, and can return to them....

*Now, these were all ballsy points to make, but they are pretty well balanced in my book and waaaay more intelligent than what most political hacks are saying. What is the real beef with what he is saying from our community? Are you mad that he's a Christian?

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Michael Schueur

a man who has lived, eaten, and slept with the terrorists, has stated the same conclusion as Dr Paul, not Rand, stating they don't want us over there on their land and provoking them militarialy is only making matters worse. Rand, whether you diehard supporters like it or not, is following the Neocom mantra, that we must kill them before they come here and kill us. In reality, Rand is dishonoring his father, because Ron has stated the empirical fact, that we used the Saudis to create Maddrasa's to radicalize them to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, and this ideology has spread through our created proxy wars. I'm not a great fan of Eisenhower due to many inhumane murderous actions he performed in WWII, but I believe he, much like Gen Smedley Butler had an awakening when he left the military. He began to understand these proxy war creations when he ended the Korean War Truman created, and later warned us about the MIC. Rand uses the same ideology he learned in Medical School, treat the symptoms, instead of looking at what could have prevented the effect. Really most medical doctors are similar to the MIC, they won't make any money unless negative effects occur from bad practices.

I disagree with you

We'd have to ask Mr. Schueur, but I confident if you dig deep into his writings you will see him and Senator Paul make the same points. Sen. Paul is not saying "we have to kill them first." Where did you get that? Did you listen/read this?

"They will never accept us through force of arms....To me, it doesn’t make any sense to send American arms, American planes or American troops to aid the Syrian rebels, who are on the same side of that war as Al Qaeda!...In the future, I see less and less likelihood that conventional wars and armies will defeat 50 million Muslims..."

"We helped put new Islamic regimes in place in Afghanistan and Iraq. President Obama now sends arms to Islamic Rebels in Syria. In Egypt the mob attacked our embassy and burned our flag. I don’t know about you…but I’ve had enough..."

***This ain't neocon speak...it just ain't lol! Sure, it's clever, but it's Ron Paulisms communicated in a way that Republicans can understand in my opinion...

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The gop is better off

The gop is better off becoming fossil fuel. I have 0 intentions of wasting my dime or time in the gop ever again. Rand has helped me make this decision. His pandering and his support of the failed drug war and his statements to the right wing nuts. let the right wing nuts be delegates for rand not me.

I am not buying rands BS. Will be voting outside the gop. I DO NOT TRUST RAND PAUL. I am sure plenty of right wing nuts will lineup behind rand. Being a republican is like having to smear shit all over you and then trying to tell folks the shit does not stink. WELL IT STINKS. The best thing for the gop is to become fossil fuel.

Ron Paul 2016

Being a republican is like having to smear shit all over you

That's the truth. And this is why it's so hard to join the GOP, which I did, and many like me, to help Ron get the nomination. Very VERY hard to join the GOP because, Being a republican is like having to smear shit all over you .. and all you have to do is mark the GOP box on the voter registration.

Ron Paul was worth joining the GOP. It was shocking what I found out about my GOP.. about the GOP as a whole, it was all a MSM illusion.. the MSM illusion that Being a republican is like having to smear shit all over you .. the reality is what Ron Paul wanted us to see for ourselves and that's why committees like mine are now Liberty Committees with Tea Partiers, and we all get along and no one is a Bush fan.. Thanks to the seeds Ron Paul planted in the Republican shit, a Liberty tree has taken roots and is growing. Ron Paul knows what to do with shit, plant seeds, the brave and strong seeds that can deal with shit.. whiners over shit don't know what to do with shit besides smear something (under the influence of MSM). :))

Rand's speech is not hate speech.

He is trying to reduce our involvement in the middle east, including cutting foreign aid, preventing wars (Syria, ...), opposing any aid to rebels,etc. Many misunderstand his approach. Basically he is saying any Muslim extremism should be addresses by Muslim countries and not by us, meaning leave them alone. We can do far better by minding our business here at home.

If it is hate speech, he would have joined McCain, Graham and other war mongers in promoting bombing of all those countries.

maybe you missed it

graham is now praising rand.

even earlier rand has gone on the record to say that he wants a "little less aggressive foreign policy." not exactly something to stand up and cheer about eh?

it might not be hate speech, but it sure has stirred the pot.
i would have rather his speech have been on the NSA

Islam literally means 'submission'...

You cannot drink alcohol, you cannot use recreational substances, you must obey your Imam, and if you are a woman you must cover yourself and obey your husband's every command. This according to Sharia Law.

Rock the Casbah? Sharia don't like it.
Not very libertarian. Not very individualist.

Nobody wants war, I certainly don't, but this bs about Islam being off limits to criticism while there is open season on Judaism (ON THIS SITE) is political correct hypocrisy to the fullest.

Down vote all you want but bet you can't show me how Islam itself is consistent with libertarian values.

And I notice when the H-I-Fer trolls start pouring in and mass-down voting other posts. It does not go unnoticed.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Islam does mean submission

Submission to what, though? That is the question that must be asked. Islam means to submit oneself to the will of God, much like all monotheists believe in. Islam means to recognize that God has all power and might in the world and one is powerless without Him. One of the most famous phrases in Islamic tradition is "La hawla wa la quwwata illa billah," meaning "There is no power or strength, except with God." That is what Muslims believe in when we refer to our relgion as Islam, rather than the idea that our very faith depends on autocratic rulers telling us what to do, how to act, or what to think.

Furthermore, you don't have to obey your Imam, as Islam commands its followers to think for themselves. The Quran calls for people to ponder upon its verses, so mindless obedience is not called for. And if one's husband is doing something wrong, just as in most societies, women have the right not to obey them. Even from what you post, all of this is voluntary and as individuals, you must choose to obey it voluntarily. The Quran states clearly in verse 2:256: "There is no compulsion in religion." Sharia is a way of life, at least, that's what it used to be during the time of the Prophet. Back then there was religious pluralism, and I would even go so far as to state that it was in fact, anarcho-capitalist in its very nature. Tyranny changes the mindsets of those who live under it kind of like Stockholm Syndrome affects its captives.

I think it is horrible that Judaism is attacked. I don't oppose the existence of Israel even, and well, I think it is wrong. We should all seek to learn more about each others' faiths.

BTW, what's Rocking the Casbah?

I am a proud libertarian Muslim.

Here are some awesome Islamic Libertarian links:

http://minaret.org

http://muslims4liberty.com

AND TO GET OFF THE NEOCON DRIVEL ABOUT MUSLIMS: http://loonwatch.com

Exactly, submission to God,

Exactly, submission to God, and that's not a version of God I'm interested in submitting to.

OK, that's not a problem for me!

I don't proselytize, if that's what you think I'm doing, especially since I know so little about my own faith and I'm certainly not the best at it, so I feel it's hypocritical to do so. Live and let live is my view.

I am a proud libertarian Muslim.

Here are some awesome Islamic Libertarian links:

http://minaret.org

http://muslims4liberty.com

AND TO GET OFF THE NEOCON DRIVEL ABOUT MUSLIMS: http://loonwatch.com

deacon's picture

which version then

would you submit to?
each and every religion has their own version
so better make sure which one is right,because the one
you choose just might smite you for your ignorance
or lack of knowledge

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Exactly, again. Enter my

Exactly, again.

Enter my logic for "None of the above".

If judgement day comes you can always argue it's the right answer.

If indeed God hasn't given mankind or the rest of the physical universe an iota of a clue about who he is, or what to believe in, it makes sense that all those who do believe in any version of God will be judged as believing in a false God.

The only right answer is not to believe.

Think about it.

I think very few will actually get this one right.

I think if you fill the slate board of ideas in your head upon which you base your view the universe with objective facts and what is provable, and learn how to live with that, then should you meet God I think he'd be impressed with such an accomplishment. You'll no doubt keep your mind open to new facts. Everyone knows the existence of God can't be proved (or disproved), so lets assume at some point when he does become provable, i.e. you meet him face to face, he'll fit right in. I can't imagine a more thoughtful approach, and certainly any God would be capable of thought and should respect that. It's almost obvious.

Don't do this, if you don't wish to. Keep your beliefs if you wish to. Don't think about it if you don't want to, or if it's not permitted for you to do so, or too dangerous a line of thought, or would be too painful, or too difficult. I'm not looking to argue you out of anything. All I'm saying is to think about it, if you wish, on your own thank you.

Deacon?

Why is it mandatory to be submissive to anything including faith? Does freedom of religion only include those of one faith or another and never the logic that it it may not even exist? Complete lack of faith is considered by all to be devil worship? Lack of believing in heaven or hell and not fearing death is not an option to be respected at all? This is what is wrong with a faith. It is all on "our way" or we are going to "make you believe" or "kill you". Sorry, I too was at one time a believer as a minister until I discovered the cruelty and hypocrisy with most faiths starting with my own. I just could not honestly support it with integrity anymore. I have reverted back to my Native American beliefs that far out weigh the Anglo fallacies and hypocrisies. AT LEAST THEY ARE HONEST.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

deacon's picture

I only asked the question

never mentioned mandatory anything
I have studied under most major religions
and I also studied that which isn't,that which isn't
has better information,than say,a bible with whole chapters taken out
and complete books missing
I have looked into things that predate the bibles,and they are a mirror
yes a mirror,so one of 2 things went down,the bible was taken from these
earlier writings (plagiarized)or,the earth is older than the bible records
and the earlier writings is the truth (without the books and crap missing)
I pick no religion over another,to me,they are all wrong and lack truth,sincerity,honesty,and most preachers fall short
I have seen pictures of what looks like helicopters,airplanes,and ships
which predate our told creation
I have seen pictures set in stone of someone flying an air ship,2 to be exact,one found on this continent,one over seas,but how could this be?
the nazca lines have drawings that can only be seen from the air,how did they do it?,and why,for whom?,why does the top look like our own aircraft carriers?
how did they create precise precision lines in granite,when at the time
we are told,they used common stones and wood?
how did them ancient indians mine gold,when all they had were simple tools?
I have seen pictures set in stone from utah,with no explanation
I have read reports of finding jewish carvings/artifacts in the grand canyon
all I do is ask questions,I am a truth seeker,and it is all i want
but what I do believe,we are lied to on a daily basis,the truth is not so
and we are all lead down a winding road of uselessness until we die in futility
why didn't you ask this from the commenter i commented to? this is a better question for me to be answered :)

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Thank you and I apologize my friend

You are right, I will ask that above my friend. I just went with your words man. Your words are most important to you more than me. It is important I think that we not lose objectivity in discussion as this begins to be explored as truth here at the DP. All faiths should be respected and explored as long as they do not try and supersede any other, Or lack there of. Not one of us as individual humans can claim righteousness over one another. We could cure all of this if we chose to respect that ideal. Thank you man.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

deacon's picture

well put

respect,I agree,as you already know,religions do not
respect each other,they hate on them
If one does not totally believe in what this one says,they are shunned
I respect all,love all,and try to do no harm.But i will call a spade a spade
if necessary
I do not really care if one picks this over that,but people better make sure
it is the truth that they sell their souls to
have you ever read about solomons ring??,not that you would,but it isn't in the bible
The pope wheres a thing on his lapel,it is 2 keys,this was also in the bible,but no more,wonder what that could mean?
I love to chat with you,but at times you confuse me much like oyate,err smudgepot does
I like bewilderment,but also like to get to the bottom of it,it is after all
a mystery :)
you 2 have the same deal going on,your color,yes that must be it,no,not your
pigment,or lack there of...deeper...much deeper,something connected deeper
naturally maybe IDK :)

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Deacon?

I need to share that it is a common vibration of an atom frequency that has just recently been found in the string theory that binds everything together, both animate and inanimate.

This has been understood as a truth for many thousands of years and no one believed it until recently as science is starting to catch up with what was already known for thousands of years as "harmony" with nature.

Folks have even found that they should tune instruments to the correct frequency cycle to get "in tune" with their surroundings. What happen to Oyate, I miss him.

Last I heard he lost a friend?

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/a/animism.htm

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

deacon's picture

would you say

the truer one is,the better,refined vibration becomes?
the closer one comes to wanting and finding truth,the clearer
the vibration can be?
would these vibrations change in frequency,and frequencies, being a color, can be changed,by oneself
meaning,one who lives a life of lies has a different vibrational pattern
and this can be felt,or "seen",as apposed to one who strives for truth?
Vibrations,to me,come in many forms, color,sound (noise),and feelings, mostly at the same time,ones own reflection,or what others see,is their true self
I have read about the music frequencies,and I must agree with it,some of what is called music,has a way of setting me off,or making me feel good
all this is done on my inside.
I remember sitting in the woods,and just listening to the music,it was so natural,beautiful,i would sit and get lost for hours,then one day,the music left,it was replaced/displaced,but it is not there anymore,the woods i go to,is silent,it makes no music,no noise (other than an occasional animal calling out ,it has no harmony,just a dead eery silence
could you say,the truer you are to yourself,that the more in tune one is
to the real workings of what is really going on?
the oyate is still amongst us,he is SMUDGEPOT, I came in contact with him
(online) unfortunately years back,in another chatroom...what can I say,i pick great friends :) you and him being amongst the few I truly can say that about,must be that vibrational pattern drawing us to each other?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Absolutely

We are only what our surroundings will allow us to be. We must "hear" and "feel" them to an end, and no matter what that be we must "trust" it. It has worked for me now for a long time. Family and Clan is where we must concentrate our efforts on no matter the faith. Because there are many that will deceive. If we can do this with vigilance, our surroundings become complete and supportive. Tap the drum and make a song to connect and it will help even those that only hear it. Thank you for sharing about our mutual friend.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I support the 1st Amendment, and every individuals' right to...

Freedom of Religion.

I know Islam means submission to the will of 'Allah' but you cannot deny that Muslims in the USA and elsewhere have attempted to make Sharia Laws hold water in US Courts. The same thing is happening in Europe. It is that way in the middle east.

Sharia don't like it. Rock the Casbah. That's a great song I cannot believe you don't know it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ&feature=player_de...

If you look at the middle east nearly every Muslim nation follows Sharia Law, to varying degrees, but none-the-less. There, the religious institution is the power institution. I have witnessed a little girl being stoned to death, and it was one of the most horrible, disturbing things I've ever seen.

I understand there is a liberty movement in countries like Egypt, and they have been used, and ignored behind the radical Islamists that are backed secretly by NWO/US partners. I support those Muslims who don't want tyranny to reign in their home countries anymore.

As for the Quran/Koran, I understand it in my limited study of it, to be a book of contradiction. Not necessarily a bad thing. One line says one thing, and the next line says.. 'BUT'... and then the opposite. For instance, the notion of, and I'm quoting you not the Quran, "you must choose to obey it voluntarily". That's kind of an oxymoronic statement.

Not that there isn't apparent contradiction in the Torah & Bible.

I really don't have anything against Islam. I have friends from my childhood, who were Muslim, and we got along very well. My camp roommate was Muslim one time as well, we were good friends.

The issue of being theocratic and tyrannical is one that all major religions have been guilty of at one time or another.

Jews, in Biblical times, wiped out all the people of Jericho. Christians have the inquisition. Islam, which is the youngest of all the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, the basis) seems to be still going through those growing pains.

But one major issue with Islam, that leads to radical militant Jihad, is that it preaches that Islam should indeed be spread by force, to the whole world. Christianity has always been about spreading itself, and it used to contradict it's every teaching in order to do that. The real teachings of Yeshua though, were to spread His message with love, not the sword. Christianity has turned that corner. Judaism did long ago. Jews are basically just sitting back waiting for the (return of the) Messiah. (This doesn't mean Jews won't violently defend themselves, and the tiny, only Jewish nation on earth.) As for those 'infidels' who're behind the 'west' attacking, and occupying Muslim nations (not including Israel, but Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.). To me, the war on Islam & the mid-east is a NWO Luciferian/Masonic/Templar plot, and not a Christian or Jewish one. I mean they are killing as many Jews and Christians as they are Muslims. Maybe we, as monotheists, should unite against the NWO? Hmm?

Now, why is it that Islam remains violently radical? Well, the constant attacks on Islamic nations by the west has provided fuel for that fire, no doubt, but what is the spiritual explanation? There is more going on than just retaliation. Islam is the most popular world religion, and it is spreading across Europe, and even the US, like wildfire. Most Muslims are living peacefully in the western world.
Why, still the support for violent Jihad? And worse, totalitarian, theocracies?

Islam preaches to both befriend the infidel, and to kill the infidel.

As I said, the Koran is a book of contradictions. There certainly are some very beautiful poetic verses, and great wisdom in the Quran.

But it is not always consistent with the wisdom that the Freedom Movement holds dear. Being submissive to the Lord G-d Himself, is a good, humble thing. But when Men start claiming to know the Will of G-d, beyond that written in His Word, it usually leads to tyranny. That can be found in any organized religious structure, but right now, the organized religious structure that is killing, and oppressing the most people, is that of radical Islam.

Thanks, for your comments, I hope we can continue to discuss civilly.

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