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This could be big: Matt Bevin Endorsed By Senate Conservatives Fund

Keep your eye on it:

Bevin Endorsed By Senate Conservatives Fund

Beyond big, this could be chaos.To understand the danger to McConnell, recall Scott Brown's unlikely win in Massachusetts, that turned on a serendipitous soundbite from a debate:


http://youtu.be/OJEEQHOnI2Q

"It's not the (funcking) Kennedy's seat! It's the people's seat!

A perfectly timed groundswell would decapitate McConnell, thereby helping Rand work out his Oedipus Complex.

(Nothing to be ashamed of about an Oedipus Complex. It is just a hazard that comes with the territory of being human. The important thing is to work it out.)

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How will Rand respond? Will he back McConnell to the bitter end? Or will he switch sides if the wind starts blowing the other way?

These are important pieces of data to be collecting. I hope you all aren't sleeping!

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Rand wrote a book called, "The Tea Party Goes To Washington."

But when the rubber meets the road, it appears that his higher loyalty is not to the Tea Party, but to the Republican party.

This sets up a showdown with Ted Cruz in 2016, over who will be the Champion of the Tea Party.

It is a tough spot for Rand. Lets see what kind of a dancer he is. He'll have to dance across a tightrope that is as thin as a wire.

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Who is going to remember Rand endorsed McConnell

by the election next year? It's already forgotten except for those who pay attention. And it was before Bevin jumped in, and before the recent big gov antics by McConnell.

Rand can back out anytime with reasons for doing so. Not needed at this time. Maybe not needed ever since I don't think many will remember.

Bevin looks alright...

...certainly an enormous step-up from McConnel.

As for Rand, others have said it already: support for Mitch is the price Rand has to pay for Mitch's assistance in the Senate and for access to Mitch's political machine, which could prove very useful in 2016. I'm not sure how he plans to keep up his end of the quid pro quo with Mitch without alienating the people supporting Bevin, but surely he must have realized when he first started dealing with Mitch that Mitch would probably have a conservative challenger this year. Anyway, however risky this pragmatic tightrope walking strategy might seem, it's the best shot for the liberty movement - and I'm feeling pretty optimistic about 2016.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Senator Rand Paul and his

Senator Rand Paul and his Oedipus Complex not withstanding; Did any liberty movement people vote for Mitt Romney because Rand endorsed him? I didn't think so. Paul knows perfectly well we don't get led around by the nose by anyone, and that includes Rand. Just because Rand endorses McConnel doesn't mean any of us will vote for Mitch or help with his campaign.

Can't believe no one knows

Can't believe no one knows this....

The only reason Rand's all behind McConnell is because McConnell hired Benton to be his Campaign Manager. Why would McConnell do that? Because he wanted to hire the Tea Party staff to fend off a Tea Party attack! So then why would Rand agree to that? Because he gets to infiltrate McConnell's base. Get it?

He gets to tap into McConnell's juggernaut campaign donor base and establish relations with those donors. That's the whole job of Jesse Benton. This is no secret. Obviously, McConnell knows that. That's the compromise he made. It's a symbiotic relationship.

So obviously, Rand will back McConnell to the end because of the KEY alliance he was able to make with the Senate Minority Leader! That's a huge feat for a junior Senator who is bringing constitutional common sense to the main stream via:

1. Filibustering Drone attacks on Americans on US soil.
2. Fighting for excons' rights to vote (these rights are inalienable!)
3. Fighting for decriminalizing drug possession
4. Fighting for industrial hemp.

Hmmm, the DP's got the sharpest folks on the web and I'm surprised so many people don't understand what Rand is up to!

Jesse Benton could fall off

Jesse Benton could fall off the planet and I'd be happy.

..and I hope he takes

Bruce Fien with him!

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I think everyone is aware of "the plan"

The interesting part is when "the plan" breaks down. When it jumps the rails, that is when unpredictable things happen.

Remember "the plan" for Bunning's seat? That's the seat Rand is currently sitting in, in case you've forgotten already.

McConnell had "a plan" back then as well, and that was to slip his boy Trey Grayson in there real nice and easy. Everyone was aware of "the plan," all the big guns lined up behind Grayson, but a funny thing happened on the way to the election: The Tea Party.

Now that the Tea Party has gone to Washington, it has become the establishment. First Rand, now Rubio has endorsed McConnell.

So the former Tea Party, now the Establishment, turns its back on the Tea Party candidate Matt Bevin.

Will the Tea Party surge again?

That is up to the Heritage Foundation, Senate Conservatives Fund, Club for Growth, FreedomWorks, etc.

Everyone understands what Rand is up to. The question is whether fate will cooperate or not. This could very well be the most important election of 2014.

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I dunno...It's a win-win

I dunno...

It's a win-win situation for Rand. Unless, he hasn't tapped the donor base of McConnell yet. I guess the timing is key. Though I criticized Benton to some C4L national coordinators, they reassured me that Benton is able get good intel by being the campaign manager for McConnell.

Also don't forget that party rules dictate that you always endorse the party's incumbent. Ron Paul mentioned that too. He had no choice but to endorse all TX incumbent Republicans when he was in office. Surly you may remember in an interview that Ron Paul said that as much as he goes against the grain even he can't NOT endorse incumbent republicans in TX. For this reason I doubt Rand will get involved in de-throning L Graham and McCain.

Ideally, I'd love to see Rand infiltrate AND get in good w/ McConnell's decades old donor base AND have Bevin win the primary!
heh,heh
Cheers!

I never liked

that Rand backed McConnell in the first place. I don't think Rand can totally cut McConnell loose but I do think Rand will begin to distance himself from McConnell as carefully as he can.

Rand has to back McConnell.

That's the deal that he and McConnell made when McConnell started working amenably with him. He will back McConnell no matter what, unless McConnell gets busted for some great betrayal of the Party. I don't know this to be a documented fact, but it's obvious.

Rand backed Romney while his father was still running for President. He didn't betray his father. There's no way he did that without his father's blessing. I don't see Ron Paul interviewing Rand or saying anything in support of him if he'd been betrayed by his son. Again, I don't have a crystal ball. It's just obvious. I was as mad about it as anyone when it happened.

Just because Rand backs McConnell doesn't mean that McConnell has to win because Rand says he should. He shouldn't. He's been in the Senate long enough and he needs to go. If Rand's supporters in Kentucky go against Rand's wishes and vote for Bevin, well, Rand kept his end of the deal. Kentuckians are the voters who will decide. Rand only gets to vote once.

I try to watch Rand very closely because I want him to be what I think he is, but I see the tightrope he's walking. If the primaries were taking place now, I'd do all the things I did during Ron Paul's campaign for Rand.

I seriously hope he's not forced into a situation where he has to betray one side to prove allegiance to the other. This definitely isn't it, and he has already proved that he has the skills to avoid that. We knew this was going to happen and can't expect Rand to do anything but what he's doing, which is support McConnell.

Nailed it.

Rand is walking a tightrope. He has to make nice with recovering Neocons and libertarians like me, while still reaching out to reflexive GOP voters who don't realize that Progressives stole their party in 1998 and have been running it into the ground ever since. I think he's doing a masterful job of it.

I only wish that the emotional adolescents among us would get over his endorsement of the GOP nominee (he did NOT endorse RMoney, he endorsed the nominee, as he had ALWAYS promised to do) and stop playing "crabs in a bucket" by tearing down the most pro-liberty-voting Senator we have.

It would be nice if Rand could, at the very least, count on the support of everyone who claims to have supported Ron Paul because he was pro-liberty.

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I could handle

a Paul-Cruz ticket or vice versa.

16 years of some form of republicanism would be a major improvement. We need a true libertarian conservative congress as well...both houses. There is a helluva lot of work to be done.

And it starts with repealing ObombaCare...assuming that it isn't repealed after the massive tax revolt that is gong to happen on April 15th 2014.

The next president inherits

The next president inherits an economic catastrophe.

I think Paul and Cruz

are on the same team but using different tactics. Ted, from his work experience, knows the other side from being inside. Rand, from watching his Dad's experience, knows how to get play the middle when needed. Both know how to get media attention to wake people up for the cause of liberty.

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Hear hear!

Hear hear!

Debbie

My tuition

Spring CA GOP convention, Tea Party was upset at "establishment". Republican Liberty CAUCUS took a big lead, being better organized grassroots (Raimondo was speaker).

FALL CA GOP convention, Tea Party is a CAUCUS and they are very professional.. where Republican Liberty Caucus, was still rooty, good show, still rooty.

I remember when I thought that Ron Paul rEVOLution was part of the tea party, and then Hannity and MSM got a hold of the tea party, and that as far as MSM was concerned was Palin, Bachman, Lee, Cruz, and folks suggested Rand rode in on his dad's tea party coat tails.. but to me... the tea party is a fabricated as it gets.

Sure the Tea Party represents real people that have real interests (but the are in the process of formation as a caucus, thus all this "Tea Party" oon/in MSM is fabricated from the top down).

Meanwhile, back at the troph, that is a congresscritters job (to bring home the bacin, just like Roin Paul did), and why McConnell is not worried about "conservative" PACS, because like Ron Paul, he understands that keeping the state flush is what is going to win, and Rand Paul, who is part of that "Tea Party" in MSM, is in an interesting position.. he's with McConnell, and people like a good team.. people in CA like the Feinstein-Boxer team (and one reason we are deep in police state, as many here like having two nannies that have great staff that respond).

At the GOP conventions, you can see the layers of players in a kind of poker chess game. Mitch can deliver, and I think he'll win. I think Bevins is to keep the tea party on it's toes for future elections.. I think Rand will stay in the senate and make a presidential run in 2020 if Hillary wins 2016 :D.

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Mitch has got the pole position, no doubt

But a lot can happen between now and the election.

Up here in MA, it was a huge influx of outside money that helped sweep Scott Brown into office. He rode a 'tea party' wave.

All the Democrats up here saw it, and there wasn't a damn thing they could do about it. And that sound bite above sealed the deal. His campaign became a juggernaut.

Senate Conservatives Fund has a lot of money.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/senate-conservative...

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Big influx

If I was an investogative reporter, I would be finding out what's/ who's behond this "big influx" of cash.. CA GOP Spring convention half million in debt. Conventtion annoucement, nearly $2 million for candidates.. they claimed it was from Andy Videk's race, Munson contributed $100K and thus hosted the convention, but it's too weird, all of a sudden GOP's got money and MSM is promotring more tea party. I got a bog meeting today.. for the times, they are a changin". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycCR0XEBHGA

You guys have a lot of meetings.

I think that's awesome. It seems like you always have a story to tell about another thing going on in your neck of the Republican Party. Shakin' things up. I like it. :-)

Loyalty to whom.

Rand Paul's first loyalty is to Rand Paul. He balances his act so as to satisfy the Establishment Republican party and yet not alienate his libertarian/conservative/Tea Party base. He's very good at it.

The trip to Israel cemented his establishment credentials. His father wouldn't make the trip because he realized it would cost him his independence in foreign policy. Rand is committed to Israel and will not ever vote to end its billions in foreign aid. He knows what foreign country dominates U.S. politics and MSM.

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I trust Rand Paul 100%

we in the r3volution are gonna have to give him some wiggle room on this one, problem is, did the establishment put Mitch McConnell in Rand Paul's equation to create blowback against Rand Paul? Sometimes the water has to get a little muddy from time to time, Rand Paul is our only shot and we must give him ample space to work within this corrupt system. I dont know what his best move would be at this point, but he can only make the right moves if he knows we all trust him.

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"We"

There it is again, the "we" word.

Who gave you any authority to include me in your plans?

You can do anything you want. You can give anyone any kind of wiggle room you want.

I don't trust any politician 100%. That is a fools errand, as is looking for other people to save you.

No one is coming.

I wish you would get into the habit of saying "I"

That means you're taking full responsibility for your own actions and opinions.

There is no such thing as "we."

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

What is it with this hysteria about the first person plural?

That groups don't have rights is a libertarian insight. Yet for some reason certain people inflate this into the weird metaphysical claim that groups don't exist, that we can't sensibly talk about groups, about their collective thoughts and actions (oops, there's another un-PC word, collective). Nonsense. WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE, collectively collective collectivization ...bite me.

It's like a bizarro-world political correctness for libertarians. WE should COLLECTIVELY mock those who engage in this ridiculous bastardization of language.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Maybe when he says 'we'....

He isn't necessarily including 'you'?

Maybe when he says 'We' he means all the people who agree with him?

I believe it's suggestive that when someone says 'We' in the context that the above poster said 'we', aren't they talking to like-minded individuals? If you do not include yourself, then that would be pretty obvious that he didn't mean 'you'.

There is such a thing as 'we'. Otherwise why would the word exist?

As in: "WE the People of the United States, in Order to form a perfect Union... do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

'We'(posters on DailyPaul) all have different opinions and views and that's why we can comment and argue points with each other, no?
People disagree all the time and let each other know, all the time. Playing word-police can't help, imho.

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Agreed!

.

Also

Don't forget, Rand grew up watching the media, the GOP and the Democrats treat his father horribly, and don't think he forgot that, and learned from it.

Mr. Bevin said his closest policy stance to Ron Paul...

Mr. Bevin has said that his closest policy stance in comparison to Dr. Ron Paul is his view on Foreign Policy.

I am currently working to schedule an interview with him for the show and have spoken to his communications Director, Rachel Semmel who worked on Indiana Governor Mike Pence's campaign in 2012.

So hopefully we will all get a chance to pick his brain a bit further in the coming weeks.

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Looking forward to it Allison

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All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Rand has one goal, and one goal only. POTUS 2016

He will do and say whatever he has to. He has not strayed off the liberty plantation in any major way that I am aware of, as of yet.

Is it possible he is a Trojan horse against the liberty movement? Yes.
But my money is on the likelihood that he is playing Trojan horse against the establishment. He is doing to them what they've always done to us.

Either way we have to do what we have to do, to become independent individuals, families and communities, on our own. It can't hurt to simply vote for/support Rand, he is much better than the rest, and is hopefully on our side. He is D. Paul's son, after all. If he's not on liberty/the constitution's, we haven't lost anything. That's already how it is. If he is on our side, then we can take back the Executive Branch/Presidency.

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I disagree that he will "do

I disagree that he will "do anything". I think he as acted independently on many occasions, but that he DOES try to play nice with the others--Which he is VERY good at--Just as he doesn't let hostile interviewers troll him as he sticks to his message.

Sometimes, people (like the GOP 'leadership') ARE going to find ways to pen him in a little bit. No one is perfectly perceptive, energetic, and able--But he has certainly done a damn good job.

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