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Police cars explode in Canada as fracking protests turn violent

"What started as a peaceful protest by the Mi’kmaq First Nation in Elsipogtog, New Brunswick against a shale gas project has now spun violently out of control. After the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) advanced on the anti-fracking protest, demonstrators clashed with police, chemical agents were deployed and at least half a dozen police vehicles were destroyed by Molotov cocktails."

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for the outstanding contributions

Patagonia fracking update

Lots of opposition there, too - prominently by the Mapuche indians.

Government seems pretty determined to push the project, though..


Police brutality committed against women

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Mi’kmaq Amy Sock is a warrior from Elsipogtog First Nation who was arrested at the anti-fracking blockade last Thursday and then assaulted while under arrest by Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

In court now. Full story to come...

In a town of 800, 700 RCMP were there with snipers

This pic has become famous for t-shirts and posters.

Warrior Up

In the spirit of Crazy Horse

"They shot me twice"

This is what protestors don’t want to occur in their communities

And they were acting within their rights of tribal sovereignty to protect their land and resources.

Happened Friday. Lots of pictures from it on my twitter grid.

And facebook. Cars started burning after they shot a guy. Snipers were aiming guns at women and children. @RalphHornsby

Or go to Chase Iron Eyes Lastrealindians on tumblr for lots of

good pics and many first hand account stories. @lastrealindians on twitter


Purely awesome. So excited to see people fighting back.

On the other side of the coin,

were the protesters infiltrated with a violent core to spin it out of control, which then leads to "clamp down" legislation?

sand mining

In Western Wisconsin, mining companies are moving in and setting up 700-1,200 acre strip mines. Think of West Virginia with its history of the coal industry. Farmland is ripped up, unproductive holes are left behind, and neighbors suffer reductions in their property values. Property owners come out ahead but their neighbors breath drifting dust and listen to dump trucks 24 hours a day without compensation. In another 15,000 years or so, glaciers will come along and remedy these messes but in the meanwhile land is less productive. Thirty years of good truck driver jobs will be offset by 15,000 years of reduced food production and accompanying jobs.

So the solution?

Do you think we should use the government to stop people from deciding what should be done on their own property? Shouldn't air pollution be a legal issue their neighbors could bring to court?

of course

Of course, but the courts are corrupt and we know how that goes. I hate it when people have only one view. Libertarianism is wonderful, but it's not always going to work, except in a utopia.

So your answer is coercion

You think the government should be able to coerce people into doing, or not doing something based on- it makes other people (or person) uncomfortable? So one person gets to make the rules based on what their gut tells them... That is in sharp opposition to property rights. I hate it when people want to use the threat of violence to make people comply. No one is talking about a utopia.

Todays Canadians obviously

Todays Canadians obviously have a lot more Chutzpah then Americans

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good things is my religion. Thomas Paine, Godfather of the American Revolution

"by the Mi’kmaq First Nation"

It says "a peaceful protest by the Mi’kmaq First Nation in Elsipogtog"
The Mi’kmaq First Nation aren't merely typical Canadians, they were natives in the area before Canada existed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi'kmaq_people They may have issues involving tribal lands or something, and might have more rights than typical Canadians if they are like native Americans in the US.

What is wrong with Fracking?

I have a client that is in the fracking business at the engineer level...they haven't got it perfect yet...but...the supposed damage to the aquifer or water is minimal at best.
Of course there is always a tradeoff when we do any kind of extracting of resources or even simply digging a hole in the ground to make room for seeds or a foundation for a hospital but..the food that is generated by working the land or building a hospital from the hole in the ground tends to far out weigh the "damage" to mama earth...wouldn't you say?Soooo...what is so wrong with the trade off (that there certainly is for extracting energy sources from the earth) when the payoff is such a huge benefit to us humans??
By the way I am Canadian...and am surprised at the violence but possibly there is another beef that the Indians have and that may be that they want in on the financial action....don't know myself..but..whenever there has been any kind of mining on Indian lands there can be this type of issue. This is just an extension of the "Tragedy of the commons" dilemma that is so often the case with communally held property as reservations are.

Just came back from Pine Ridge rez in S.D.

The fracking is poisoning the water in North Dakota and South Dakota. Mostly on tribal lands. Which they did not get permission for in the first place because the U.S. govt. does not honor the treaties.


Can you supply some proof on HOW the waters are being contaminated? Also,many 'tribes' have their own companies that either lease out their minerals and/or do their own drilling. No one can legally drill on their property without consent.. If they own the minerals.

proverbs 20:15
There is gold, and an abundance of jewels;
But the lips of knowledge are a more precious thing.


Take a look at a few youtube videos from here in PA where people can literally light their well water on fire straight out of the faucet...

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.


I understand what is claimed to be a result of "fracking"... what I want is evidence that it resulted from fracking... wells are frac'd thousands of feet below the surface; artificial fractures only extend a few hundred feet. Drinking water is supplied from within tens to hundreds of feet below the surface... there is a large gap of impermeable rock between the two...

It is possible to contaminate the near surface if operators are cheap and re-enter old well bores with crappy casing/cement and then frac. However, this is not recommended by any professional and is done by jackasses.. There are ways to frac safely and technology has only been improving. But as everyone knows; you can't fix stupid. There will always be people who cut corners and makes mistakes. It happens in every industry.

proverbs 20:15
There is gold, and an abundance of jewels;
But the lips of knowledge are a more precious thing.

Put "fracking gag order" in a search engine...

put "fracking gag order" in a search engine and learn about some of the victims of fracking.

The "trade-off"

Implies someone is giving up something but receiving some benefit
in exchange. In fact, with fracking and much else those doing the
giving up receive few if any of the benefits.

Some areas targeted for fracking, such as the Karoo region of South Africa
and Argentine Patagonia are deserts or nearly so and the vast amount of
water required to conduct the fracking would vastly deplete the only sources
of water (groundwater) and likely pollute whatever might be left. Who in their
right mind would give up their water supply in a desert? Of course those who
are profiting most from this don't plan on being around once the gas is extracted
and water is gone...

Then there are incidents like this - which occurred using a nitrogen gas based
fracking process - supposedly more benign, but:


I'm somewhat familiar with the area the article is about (it's in Letcher County, SE Kentucky) - it *used* to be beautiful and the people around there are generally very supportive of coal mining and extractive industry generally, you can see where it's gotten them.

That's the stupidest analogy I've ever heard.

Fracking is like digging a hole to plant a seed. You need to shut up about what you apparently don't know anything about.

the sheep

do not know who the wolf is anymore, seems like collateral damage will be a common theme these days. The wolves send out wolves and they don't even know they are sheep.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!


Some of the most annoyingly polite people in the world? Oh well, they whipped our butts in 1775, so I guess it is possible.

"Why didn't I shoot him?!"

Your comment about annoying politeness is spot-on, Bob-45, in my experience at least.

Reminded me of this Canadian Heritage Moment: