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WHOA! Piers Morgan: "The Second Amendment was clumsily written, it’s time for a debate to rephrase it"

WHOA! Piers Morgan: "The Second Amendment was clumsily written, it’s time for a debate to rephrase it"

By Melissa Quinn | October 18, 2013

CNN host Piers Morgan is well known for his outspoken anti-gun stance and is hardly a supporter of the Second Amendment. But Morgan took a shot at the Founding Fathers on Friday, saying the Second Amendment was “clumsily written” and calling for a debate to rephrase it.

Morgan spoke to an audience at the National Press Club and discussed his new book, “Shooting Straight: Guns, Gays, God and George Clooney.” The CNN host has gained notoriety for calling for more gun control, especially since the shootings in Aurora, Colo., and Newtown, Conn., and Morgan didn’t disappoint, addressing what he says is the evolution Second Amendment and the Constitution.

“That to me shows you how clumsily worded, and I say that with great respect for the Founding Fathers, that Second Amendment was,” he said. “The comma in the middle is perhaps the most dangerous comma ever written because it can be interpreted in different ways.”

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Sour grapes

Just like a F-IN spoiled brat Brit.
He's just jealous we kick his King George worshiping arsh.
Get over it already Piers.
Leave us Americans alone.
The truth is...Piers was clumsily conceived.

ok - is this re-write straight forward enough ?

"Come for my guns I'll kill ya."

UN stooge,

and Globalist whore. Bah!

proposed new wording

"All men shall have the right to keep and arm bears."

Oh wait...

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

capitalize men and you've solved one problem, but you've

introduced another - that of GRANTING rights that already exist and don't need to be granted.

not to mention

making hiking trips rather scarey

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Time to bomb the ratings of

Time to bomb the ratings of his book on Amazon.

Proof that Piers can't read proper English.

"A well educated Citizenry, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed."

Can you read THIS sentence Mr. Morgan?

Simple isn't it?

Your stupidity and hatred is clouding your brain.

Clearly, the amendment recognizes a PRE-EXISTING right and seeks to protect it. And also very clear is that the right being protected is an INDIVIDUAL right.

No one in their right mind would claim the above sentence only protects public libraries, or the right to read books only in a government approved and run book-club, instead of your PERSONAL and INDIVIDUAL right to keep and read books.

Also notice, the right is BOTH keep AND read - just as the real second amendment protects the rights to both KEEP and BEAR arms.

"Regulated" in the original amendment, and "educated" in this version are comparable. "Regulated" does not mean restricted - it means "kept regular" which if you had a clue about words, their uses and meanings, Mr. Morgan, you would know that in this context, a Militia, which is "kept regular" is one that is trained and prepared to carry out their duty and responsibility to keep themselves FREE. A critical aspect of being "regular" for a Militia, is to be ARMED. This way, not only is the right to keep and bear arms recognized and protected, it is recognized as being NECESSARY for a people to remain free - that is, not oppressed even by their own government, that if the People always remained armed and properly trained in the use of their arms, that the government could never overpower them, and, it recognizes that since it is their DUTY to keep themselves free, it is their duty to be armed - not the government's place to supply them with arms.

As well, "Militia" and "Citizenry" are comparable, where on the one hand, members of the Militia - that is, all able bodied males between the ages of 15 & 60 are responsible for being armed and trained in keeping the entire population free, so too do the Citizens who chose representatives and other officials, and in some cases, approve laws and taxes via referendum, have the responsibility to remain educated in order to keep all of the People free.

You clearly have no comprehension of the English language Mr. Morgan. You are woefully ignorant of the meanings of the words "militia" "regulated" "necessary" "free" "right" "keep" "bear" "infringe" and perhaps even the phrase "shall not." You certainly can't comprehend descriptive, introductory, and dependent clauses.

You also are completely ignorant of what a "right" is - a right is ALWAYS and can ONLY be individual - there are no such things as "collective rights" or rights that can only be exercised while participating in a group, and certainly not only with approval of a government - that would then be a "privilege."

If you want to re-word the amendment, it's going to take a paragraph or two where currently a single sentence is sufficient, unless of course, your intent is to trample the right and institute tyranny.

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I can't seem to post on the original article since I don't use FB or G+, so if anyone wants to use any of this in a reply there, feel free - no credit necessary.

Done

I posted a slightly shortened version of your excellent remarks.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

It will never be changed

It will just be ignored like the rest of the constitution.

The truth is, the only reason we are talking about the constitutionality of gun rights is because people care about the issue. I dont hear anyone talking about the constitutionality of undeclared wars being waged by the president, or the FED.

We need to stop talking about the bill of rights as if it gives anyone any authority, and start talking about what it is. An official recognition of mans equality.

Séamusín

I agree with him

We should rewrite it so it's crystal clear that we have a right to own guns,and to use them to protect our life and our liberty, and that the average Amerikan can have as much firepower as the average infantryman.

This'll end the debate on "Well Regulated" once and for all

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

good intentions but bad idea

I understand why one would want to do that.

The problem I have with that is that our society has been sold a lot of nonsense about guns. I doubt that if our congress were to try to re-write the second amendment that they would get it right. In other words, I think we'd end up with a situation where we are reluctantly allowed by our protectors to buy squirt guns, but only after a thorough full field background check. Real guns with bullets, never.

Our leaders are also not of the same caliber and many do not value the right to keep and bear arms the way our founders did.

For the same reasons I do not favor the idea that we have a new Constitutional Convention.

If we re-write our constitution now we'll end up with a western european socialist state.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Earth to Chicken Freak...

We already are a Western European socialist state! Wake up! You can't build a shed on your property bigger than 12'X12' without asking for permission, helllllooooo!

I agree though, any rewrite with the cast of criminals we have in DC now, would make it worse!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

they allow sheds that big?

again, thank you captain obvious. Oops I mean, thank you Ira, keeper of unknown secret knowledge. How would we have ever known about building permits if it weren't for you! Many thanks.

Dick

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You're welcome

Service with a smile!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

No, the solution is to educate people on what "well regulated"

means.

It is already crystal clear.

It is as concise as possible.

Trying to be any "clearer" would take paragraphs.

See my above comment with an alternate language example.

You just can't convey all of the ideas in that amendment with any more clarity or brevity than is already there.

yes

and also to what was meant by "militia" and what the equivalent is in today's terms.

Historical research can be a big help here.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Why doesn't he go back to the

Why doesn't he go back to the UK already??

This just proves he's an idiot

Look, you can't judge a statement that was written over 200 years ago based on today's language. Literally that is apples to oranges. The language has changed drastically in the last 200 years and this includes punctuation. I don't remember who said it, and am too lazy to look it up, but somebody said you should interpret the constitution in the same spirit as it was written. THAT is how we should interpret the constitution. In the spirit of a bunch of patriots who had just overthrown a ruthless monarchy.

That was the Supreme Court and they use it as one of their

"rules of construction."

When determining the meaning of words used in the Constitution, their rule is that words used in the document are to be interpreted with the meaning they had at the time they were adopted. (thus 1789 for the original, 1792 for the first ten amendments, etc.) This is because the People are considered to have ratified the language and thus what THEY thought it meant at the time is what they ratified.

Under this construction, the Constitution is NOT a living document. It does not change. The only way to change it is to amend it.

This is why we must look to their use of the term "regulated" not as "restricted" but as "kept regular" because that is what it meant to them. (and technically, STILL means today, we just ignorantly use the word improperly) The same goes for "Militia" as it describes all able bodied males of a certain age, and not a government organized defense unit.

wow

I know it isn't the SAME SCOTUS but the SCOTUS said this? I have to remember this the next time I'm in an argument about a constitutional right or SCOTUS ruling. Thanks. :)

Yep. I don't have a link, but if you look up their rules of

construction, that is what they are supposed to be following.

Now, these are THEIR rules, and they make them up, but they've held on to this one for a LOOOOONNNNGGG time.

I don't see them changing it any time soon.

Scalia Talks About It

He's the originalist/textualist on the court and he speaks of it brilliantly. Check out youtube for any interview or talk he gives.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Piers Morgan

is a Slimey Limey.
Go back to Briton you Toadie!

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The Magna Carta is clumsily written

How about we send a few Tea Party yanks over there to tell you what parts of your founding documents need re-writing you Redcoat.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

Red coats sent to take our personal defenses.

Cops work for the government and leave everyone un- defended.

How many domestic killings by government employee this decade.

The propagandists have demonized the 'sheeple', so-called.

Calling are hard working men and women names for believing we live in a nation of law is foolish.

Free includes debt-free!

Tell any liberal jackass

The 2nd Amendment is "settled law", like obamacare.

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RON PAUL 2012

I keep dropping this one in every argument - it tends

to stop the argument in its tracks.

I also point out that the 2nd Amendment is an actual amendment - having been ratified - which places it WELL above a Senate bill that was passed. Why not try to add healthcare into the bill of rights as an actual amendment. Good luck.

Petards!

Hoisting liberals up for generations

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RON PAUL 2012

He does have a point

I find the man vile, but I've also discussed this with some liberal friends. It is a bit clumsy, much more so than the others. My friends often point out the "well regulated militia" part. It is often claimed that this is the State Militia ("National Guard").

Obviously people here know the root of all that, and I am not arguing their side. However, it is a valid argument. Being prepared to counter an argument is one thing, ignoring a valid argument is just that - ignorant.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain