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Obamacare DISGRACE making me SICK reading this

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/20/obamacare-p...

Obamacare PENALTIES?!?!

MonsatObamacare PENALTIES?!?!

GMObamacare PENALTIES?!?!?!

OBushamacare PENALTIES?!?!!

How the heck in name of US Constitution we got to this point, I'm feeling SICK, SICK, SICK feeling in my stomach! Corrupt Supreme Court which ruled that this forced disgrace is "constitutional" was obviously bought & paid for by medical-pharmaceutical-agricultural crony industrial complex.

For self-employed people, small business owners, independent or part-time contract based workers, responsible people doing everything best in self-sustenance protecting their health naturally - without enslaving themselves to industrial complexes - this evil fraud is the WORST possible enemy.

It is crystal clear that this is a very well thought out plan to run this country into the ground, through final WALMARTIZATION nail in the coffin. (As Rand Paul said in an old speech in Iowa: Eating the spirit of the nation from inside out like termites.)

Whoever are resourceful on these boards, please guide me to helpful links on how to "legally" get out of this abomination without subjecting yourself to threat of force. (Kind of like conscientious objector?) I'm starting research of my own now, but if many people already have leg up with research...would help not having to re-invent wheel.

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Shout it from the rooftops, Chiefe 71!

If you haven't seen this, about the nefarious things buried in Ophama Care, you will find them here.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Lane/lauren104.htm

Bumper Sticker idea

When Alternative Healthcare is Outlawed
Only Healthy Americans Will Be Outlaws

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Already feel that way

when a medical person asks who my primary doctor is and I don't have one. Jesus said only the sick are in need of a physician.

VA

Apparently if you are a veteran and disabled you are covered under the VA system and are not required to get additional healthcare. (I got a letter in the mail informing me so) This may also be true for other types of vets, I'm not sure. If you are a vet you should call your local VA clinic and ask.

...Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

-Pastor Martin Niemöller

Religion

I have also heard that certain religions may be able to refuse on religious grounds. Maybe if you are Mormon, Jahovas Witness, Quaker, or Muslim. I am not religious personally, but I think these religions have proscriptions against modern medical practices.

...Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

-Pastor Martin Niemöller

The Season For Just Whining Is Over

The Democrats are sticking together on this. The Republicans are not an effective force to stop the Democrats. We do not have enough liberty independents to represent us.

This is the situation.

The monopoly mob consists of nothing but evil trappers who expect previously free wild animals to scream and fight.

If we restrict our activities to whining, it won't help anyone. There is nothing that we can do to stop Obamacare today. There is a lot that we can do today that might stop it in the long term.

Let's look at damage control in the short term and viable long term methods to get rid of it. There are many suggestions on DP on how to take positive action.

Gene Louis
http://www.survivaloftheslickest.com/
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

I'm beginning to understand--

we're low income--

and in our 60s (still working)

we chose to go alternatively for health; when one of us had a frightening health care problem we not only didn't call an ambulance, we didn't see a medical practitioner--

but now I see that we will be forced to take money from other people in order to keep from having to pay a penalty that we can't afford?

What a divisive set up--

we do NOT want this 'care'--

we don't want this government involvement in our lives--

we don't want the MIC in our lives--

this is evil--

we couldn't pay for the cheapest medical insurance--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I don't want/can't afford insurance--

I guess we'll lose everything we own--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Sooner or later

IMO subjugated slaves must openly defy oppression in order to finally be free

KTLA Los Angeles TV station

http://ktla.com/2013/10/20/discovering-the-cost-of-obamacare/

Obamacare seems to be delivering sticker shock for some Americans. Glen Walker reports on Sunday, Oct. 20, 2013.

Brainwashed Zombie liberal America which voted for this disgrace wakes up to the fact that it's a FRAUD!

As reported by TV station KTLA in Los Angeles, the heart of brainwashed Zombie America who helped vote for this FRAUD.

Immoral funding of Military Industrial Complex by Federal Reserve and US taxation system must stop!!!! End illegal/unconstitutional wars! Preserve US currency!
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One thing people are missing

One thing people are missing is that as much as we all hate Obamacare(Romneycare...whatever) it will NOT collapse of its own accord...as much as I wish it would. There is one thing preventing this...quite simply most Americans(me included) already have insurance through their work....quite a few have it at no charge(at least visible charge). Unions for instance recieve it as long as members work a certain number of hours each quarter. Non-union employers also sometimes cover the whole cost...sometimes not...but most people will sign up for it if its affordable through their employer. This law does not affect those people where it counts...so they will feel all warm and fuzzy about supporting it. Many poor people will be exempt. As will certain ethnic groups like native americans. All that means is there is only a minority which will vehemently oppose it....until its permanently embeded in the system and its like SS...too ingrained to ever remove it. It will have disastrous financial impact on the country and quality impact on the healthcare industry.....but at least insurance companies will make out like bandits.

We need you too - people with

We need you too - people with employer insurance can just not fill out the section about health insurance. Sure - it is reported by your employer but still makes a statement you disagree. I "hear" your rates are significantly going up too and many people are mad about that.

What can a person do with $300 - $900/ month? Eat organically, cover regular doctor visits, join a gym, send their children to college, save for retirement, etc.

Simple ways out of Obamacare

1-3. As noted below, Christian medical sharing plans are automatically exempt and there are three extant ones. If you truly need financial coverage for unforeseen medical conditions (how many people do is debatable), this is a good plan for people of any belief.

4. If you want to become Amish they are also exempt because of a similar program that equates to self-insurance. There may be other groups that have legacy exemptions.

5. I believe it is much more effective to Google Peter Eric Hendrickson and follow his advice within 5 months. In a nutshell, Obamacare penalties only apply to people who have income, not everything that comes in is income, you'd be surprised about what the laws actually say on the matter, and the legal definition of inclusion is only one of the surprises. Verbum sap. The only downside is that you may receive unenforceable scary letters and you will need to step up the program of asset protection you already engage in so as to prevent being easily clipped. I mention this because the average reader will have the wisdom to do the right thing with this data.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

About the ruling,

I read somewhere that it only applied to the individual mandate, not the whole bill. Still seems like they would have ruled it unconstitutional because it was sold as a fine, not a tax, which means the government committed fraud. Criminals, the lot of them.

Only 51,00 registered - and I am sure it is because it was free

Do not succumb. Do not register. Do not pay a fine. I am afraid too, but this is my line in the sand. I will not pay the fine and only hope to get a jury trial. If enough people say it is un-constitutional it may be the unraveling of all the bad laws (i.e. Social Security, NDAA, etc.) Stand your ground and I will support you and hope you will support me. How dismal - if only 51,00 registered. Don't believe what they tell you it appears that it is highly unpopular and will fail on its own accord.

They were talking about the

They were talking about the 51,000 on FBN just a few minutes ago. Said that on the website people can signup for insurance plans AND medicaid. Their analysis was that while it is being reported that 51,000 people signed up for ObamaCare, most of those 51,000 were from medicaid signups through the website.

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Thanks

IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE.

I'm staying firm and can't be forced this way. Starve them of oxygen & life-blood, and they will collapse under free market principles.

Meanwhile, I've found this. Pls help publicizing to everyone you know:

http://planet.infowars.com/resistance/how-to-boycott-obamaca...

Immoral funding of Military Industrial Complex by Federal Reserve and US taxation system must stop!!!! End illegal/unconstitutional wars! Preserve US currency!
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Thanks for the Link

Boycotting might be the only way to prevent death panels, forced home entry, dangerous pharmaceutical drug pushing, and outlawed natural health.

Gene Louis
http://www.survivaloftheslickest.com/
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

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I Will NOT Comply!

If ever I am taxed for non-compliance I will go to court and ask the government to show how this tax passed Congress. Case closed.
"They" have proven they will not defend the Constitution, so it's up to us. The more of us who take this stand, the better.

Undo what Wilson did

You and I have bashed each other rather severely a time or

two in our disagreements over other issues. While I cannot quite apologize for that (I don't think either of us needs to do so, actually.), I am happy to stand with you in mutual defiance of this utter catastrophe of a "law". I will echo your message, which is elegant in its simplicity. Cheers, fireant, and the best of luck to us all.

What would the Founders do?

One easy way out if you don't smoke, aren't overweight and

have 'christian' credibility is "medical sharing",

Proven. Medi-Share is a healthcare sharing program where Christians share financial resources to pay each other's medical expenses. Since 1993, over $750 million has been shared and discounted among Medi-Share members. It's a proven biblical model of healthcare--Christians helping Christians.
http://mychristiancare.org/medi-share/

Samaritans Ministries

We use Samaritans Ministries and we only pay 370 per month for my whole family with a deductible of 500 dollars per occurrence which we never pay the deductible as we talk the bill down and that part comes off my deductible. The cost goes down with fewer people. If you're a Christian, this is a great thing to participate in. We've been doing it since 2000. This is truly the way it should be, people helping people with their needs instead of the government taking care of us. Email me if you want info. I get a credit if someone joins up.

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the lesser of two evils is still evil

Obama Care

is the law?? Well I guess I'm breaking it.

If you want out, your only

If you want out, your only options are to die or leave the country.

Non-participation.

We the People

will always have the final say.

Want to stop ObombaCare?

Then tell every healthy 20 and 30 year old you know not to sign up or comply. At the same time, tell every elderly or sick person you know to sign up right away. This will bury the insurance companies and they will be the ones calling for repeal. break their backs.

Shut up and drink your

Shut up and drink your fluoride and take your mercury shots.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

lol,

that's a good one! :-)

you have it wrong

It is more like:

Democratic Party Forced Insurance Taxation