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Alan Grayson Is Getting Confronted by John Stossel Re: Obama Care


http://youtu.be/d3wa0-NZmxA

Myths, Lies, and Complete Stupidity (Sunday at 9PM ET on FNC)

What you think you know... is often wrong. Sunday I look at seven MYTHS... LIES... AND COMPLETE STUPIDITIES:

• FOOD... MYTH: Government should help people make healthy choices for themselves. TRUTH: The nanny state reduces your freedom while accomplishing little.

• MAIL... MYTH: The post office should deliver the mail. TRUTH: The private sector does it better.

• FRACKING... MYTH: Fracking is dangerous. TRUTH: Fracking is dangerous but can easily be safely managed, and fracking has done more to help the environment than all the "green" energy sources combined (it replaces dirtier gasoline and coal.)

• LAWSUITS... MYTH: Lawsuits protect consumers. TRUTH: Lawsuits make valuable products cost more.

• HEALTHCARE... MYTH: Obamacare is good for business. TRUTH: Government intervention kills innovation. Kills jobs too.

• INFRASTRUCTURE... MYTH: Government must build infrastructure. TRUTH: Business builds it better.

• IMPERIAL WASHINGTON... MYTH: Washington D.C. is about serving the public. TRUTH: DC is about empire building.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2013/08/23/my...

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#2 Friend who lost $12 million Vinyard, and tomato farm

George and Lisa Zimmerman
Atlas well The Atlas well burns on Wednesday.
http://www.post-gazette.com/washington/2010/04/01/Residents-...

Location: Washington County, PA
Gas Facility: Atlas Energy wells, waste impoundment spill, ignited fumes
Exposure: Air; water – arsenic at 2,600 times acceptable levels, benzene and naphthalene; soil – mercury and selenium, ethylbenzene, and trichloroethene
Symptoms: Unknown,replacement water or relocated

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Fracking
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/11/09/us-fracking-suit-i...

Fracking is very dangerous. Personal friend lost $1.5m farm

Ron Gulla personal friend http://tinyurl.com/puh62jy
Un-inhabitable. Range Resources ended up buying his farm.

Grayson defends Obamacare emphatically:

starting at 7:35 http://youtu.be/d3wa0-NZmxA?t=7m35s

9-11 was a panda job.

All of that celebrity

All of that celebrity anti-fraking stuff is just more distraction from Hollywood.

I had to completely give up on most celebs after stuff like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51kAw4OTlA0

Would be a good video...

... to show to all the Big Government socialists out there, except that Stossel's name-calling and berating during interviews automatically turns them against him. This is just some uppity loudmouth from Fox News; who cares what he says! This despite all the good info it contains.

The choir that Stossel's preaching to loves his fiery attitude, but if he wants to get any credibility with the left, he needs to learn to tone it down a bit.

Click here for Grayson segments:

http://youtu.be/d3wa0-NZmxA?t=27m49s

9-11 was a panda job.

while most of the video was

while most of the video was common sense, I have to disagree with the fracking segment. Here he wants us to think that the EPA and fracking companies who have been lying to us..now all the sudden are being honest. it is almost comical..yes the same government that told the firefighters on 911 that the air was perfectly safe to breath. or that feces infested meat is passable on food inspection. or lead in your china made toys are not harmful to your children and while you are at it..go ahead and inject with those all so healthy vaccinations.

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

Agreed...

You should not have been downvoted.

The combination of chemicals they pump into the ground is called the slurry. This combination is trademarked and does not have to be released to anyone. The geologists on site are paid by the companies to keep everything running. Environmental agencies can't do anything until they can prove that a specific site polluted a specific area which is essentially impossible.

You can't even eat fish from the Susquehanna River, a haven for migrating birds, as they are finding nodes on them that resemble cancer.

These are facts.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

As a former roughneck (driller)...a few frack facts.



Aside from using water and chemicals, we use a lot of compressed air.

We don't call it slurry, we call it mud!
The solution is comprised of 98-99.5% water and sand.
0.5-2% is of a chemical nature.
The use of water/chem mix is limited to a short period in the process.
The water mix is used to reduce friction and protect the rock formation.
All water is collected in a lined pool on site and reclaimed off site.
The land is reclaimed as well.

The following is a breakdown of the chemicals used and some other common uses.

Acid-Hydrochloric acid or muriatic Acid. Helps dissolve minerals and initiate cracks in the rock.
Swimming pool chemical and cleaner.

Antibacterial agent-Glutaraldehyde. Eliminates bacteria in the water that produce corrosive by-products.
Disinfectant; sterilizer for medical and dental equipment.

Breaker-Ammonium persulfate. Allows a delayed breakdown of the gel.
Used in hair coloring, as a disinfectant, and in the manufacturing of common household plastics.

Corrosion inhibitor-Formamide. Prevents the corrosion of the well casing.
Used in pharmaceuticals, acrylic fibres and plastics.

Crosslinker-Borate salts. Maintains fluid viscosity as temperatures increase.
Used in laundry detergents, hand soaps and cosmetics.

Friction reducer-Petroleum distillate. "Slicks" the water to minimize friction.
Used in cosmetics including hair, make-up, nail and skin products.

Gel-Guar gum or hydroxyethyl cellulose. Thickens the water in order to suspend the sand.
Thickener used in cosmetics, baked goods, ice cream, toothpaste, sauces and salad dressings.

Iron control-Citric acid. Prevents precipitation of metal oxides.
Food additive; food and beverages; lemon juice ~7% citric acid.

Clay stabilizer-Potassium chloride. Creates a brine carrier fluid that prohibits fluid interaction with formationclays.
Used in low-sodium table salt substitutes, medicines and IV fluids.

pH adjusting agent-Sodium or potassium carbonate. Maintains the effectiveness of other components, such as crosslinkers.
Used in laundry detergents, soap, water softener and dishwasher detergents.

Proppant-Silica, quartz sand. Allows the fractures to remain open so the gas can escape.
Drinking water filtration, play sand, concrete and brick mortar.

Scale inhibitor-Ethylene glycol. Prevents scale deposits in the pipe.
Used in household cleansers, de-icer, paints and caulk.

Surfactant-Isopropanol. Used to reduce the surface tension of the fracturing fluids, to improve liquid recovery from the well after the frac.
Used in glass cleaner, multi-surface cleansers, antiperspirant, deodorants and hair color.

Water-Water. Used to expand the fracture and deliver proppant (sand).
Landscaping, manufacturing, drinking, etc..

Geologist rarely visit a site after the initial survey. Usually only one visit after drilling begins.
They are not part of they daily crew.

From time to time a "company man" would show up for an hour to check the progress.
A "company man" is from the contractor, such as Shell, Exxon, etc..

The only people on the rig site are:
The tool pusher-site boss. Never comes out of his trailer!
The brakeman(driller)- your life is in his hands! He controls the drill and oversees the deck operations.
A Derrickman- he's up in the crows nest! Your life is in his hands also!
A motorman(sometimes)-maintains equipment. Usually done by the roughnecks!
A couple of roughnecks to grunt!
The mud man/airman is usually a subcontractor.

How much water mix is left in the well?
Hardly a drop.
It all gets blown out to the collection pool during cavitation...a sight to see!

(rig humor)
The pipe joints are 30' long.
Pipe dope comes in 5 gal. buckets.
The supervisor is the tool pusher...so...
Joints are 30' long, dope comes in 5 gal. buckets and there is a pusher on every rig!!!
What a job! Haha!

My comments are not meant to support nor oppose fracking.
I do support having the fracking facts!
And I do not know all the facts...

Exercise Liberty.


America Rising.
The Constitution Stands.

"That the pen is mightier than the sword would be proven false; if I should take my sword and cut off the hand that holds the pen" - American Nomad

Thanks for posting! +1

Thanks for posting as I appreciate the added information. This post is not meant to be argumentative, just comparing and contrasting information. One of my best friends is a geologist / water quality specialist for the Pennsylvania DEP and oversees fracking operations in his district. All of this information comes directly from him.

1. Perhaps it is an issue of slang vs. the actual definition but it is called the "slurry" in legislation and environmental publications.

2. "All water is collected in a lined pool on site and reclaimed off site." Before you made this very general, all encompassing statement you should have stated that all water is "SUPPOSED" to be... In theory, the government should be protecting our rights as well. This is the problem. Leaks getting into ground water can travel miles and again, before the DEP can investigate a site they have to prove where contaminated water came from. I don't think the spike in contaminated ground water is unrelated to the spike in fracking.

3. "The land is reclaimed as well." All energy producing land is once again, SUPPOSED to be reclaimed but that still hasn't happened with open air coal mines (stripping pits) here in PA. The energy companies throw up a wind turbine that produces no real energy so they don't have to reclaim it as it is still "energy producing."

4. Some companies keep geologists on site and others have them rotating through several sites. It is entirely possible that in the past, or some smaller companies / sites do not. More and more geologists today are getting jobs with these companies right out of school.

5. A portion of the chemical makeup of every slurry that gets submitted to the DEP and EPA are deemed confidential and unique to that company.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Hi TJ, thank you!



Allow me to address your points.

1. Yep! "mud" was slang used by the workers!

2. I can only attest to what happened on the rigs I worked at.
My company was very strict on environment. Others...I don't know!

3. I have returned to the wellhead sites during/after reclamation.
Super clean! But then again, I can only cite my company's diligence and adherence.
I am from Pittsbugh, I sure know about the strip mining!
I did not know about the wind turbine BS! That is just wrong and needs to change!

4. Once again, I can only attest to the company I worked for (Big A Drilling). No onsite geologist for us.

5. That may be so ( privy to the company), but I worked for the company and was privy to the info!
Secret mud mix just doesn't seem right at all! The Great and Powerful EPA needs to change that!

Only once can I remember having a dirty, filthy rig and site.
We drill for natural gas...but one time we hit oil!!!
We looked like the cover of National Geographic!
Everything and everyone covered in crude!
That site cleanup was extra intensive and supervised by the Gub'mint!


(I'd be the little guy in front!)

Always nice to have an informative discussion with a fellow DP'r!

Exercise Liberty...and information!


America Rising.
The Constitution Stands.

"That the pen is mightier than the sword would be proven false; if I should take my sword and cut off the hand that holds the pen" - American Nomad

Frac-ing has been ongoing in

Frac-ing has been ongoing in this country since the 1940's...

Southern Agrarian

Ummm...

So has pooping directly in rivers... doesn't make it a good idea. Fiat currency has been around even longer than fracking.

There is exponentially more fracture mining going on today.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Anti-fracing sentiment

Anti-fracing sentiment started in the past decade because foreign NOCs (nationalized oil companies) were afraid that the tapping of large natural gas reserves would lower the value of proven reserves in their countries. Like the price of gold dropping if a large motherload is found and the proven supply is increased. It is all about money.

Southern Agrarian

Perhaps...

...but where the sentiment originated is irrelevant to the reasons people are against it today.

All I can say is that I've educated myself on the issue and I don't think it is a good idea. However, I am also not advocating that the g-men come in and shut them all down. All I can do is throw out the information that I've learned and allow others to make their own decisions.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

Thanks for sharing!... Yea

Thanks for sharing!... Yea John Stossel

@4:40

I didn't see that coming when Stossel actually said they tried your "dumb idea ... " and @ 21:40 he said "lawyer parasites" (special woot for that one :)

This is typical liberal....

never consider the individual, always the group statistics. If most people eating too much salt, then all people must limit salt,etc. I figured out this thinking process back in undergraduate school as a sociology major; it's all group think oriented. That is why I am no longer a democrat or liberal or progressive or any such thing....the individual is subjugated to the whole. I don't believe in that at all.

lol

What luxury, no wonder it is hard to say no there lol

donvino