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Holy Cow! Obamacare fine not $95 ...

All I can say is OMG !!!

A post from the Obamacare website page.
"I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 "Silver Plan" and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I "opt-out" and chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the "REPERCUSSIONS PORTION" for "non-payment" of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with "Non-Payment" and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy "Automatically withdraw" your "penalties" weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is "Free" or even "Affordable"

... and people think I am crazy for not wanting to be part of this Death/Debt Paradigm



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true or not, obamacare is

true or not, obamacare is extortion at the basic level. 1dollar or 337 for me and my wife which is not affordable unless i can rob a bank or deal drugs or get my boss to give me a 337 dollar raise a month.
It is CRIMINAL to extort us citizens.

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Does anybody have any

Does anybody have any verification of this? Because I don't believe a word of it.

Please Put This on YouTube and Other Websites

Sorry to hear your plight. Its great info that must be shared.

The choice is simple. Either submit or don't. But remember

submission has a terrible cost. Like providing all of your intimate information to people who haven't even undergone a background check. And remember the so-called healthcare and it's related insurance have nothing to do with being healthy. It's all about fear and control. And now you have to signup and hand over all your private information and that of your whole family before you can find out what your subjected to.

You do have a choice. I choose to resist! I choose to register! I refuse to participate. I refuse to continue feeding this corrupt system that is hellbent of systematically poisoning us under the supervision of the FDA. Anyhow as you see I could easily go on and on and on.

Those who choose to comply and register and freely hand over all their private information do so at their own peril!

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

State

But does this change by state?

If this is true

anybody who would want to submit people to this has no clue what it means to be truly free. Let me see if I understand this concept. You are forced to buy something you may not want and if you refuse you will lose much of your right to travel, possibly your home, and the ability to identify yourself with your license. Conservatives should let this law play out because it is very likely be the straw that will wake the sheeple up!!!! Ultimately you will have little need for routine healthcare because many doctors will go to cash only and for less than $100 per month you will be able to visit your doctor as often as you need to. You will only need a catastrophic care policy to cover hospitalization. Realistically, for most people, hospitalization is a rare occurrence and most medical issues can be handled by your primary care doctor.

the fine isn't $95

It's based on a few things, but there is more on it... $95 is the minimum.

that's great news

well not really but you know what i mean. people are gonna be pissed and demand heads roll.

p.s. if you're under 65 make less than $10,000 a year or the gov can't prove you make more than that then you are exempt. from what i read you are also exempt from filling a tax return if they can't prove (self employed) you make more than $10,000.

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What happens if you miss a

What happens if you miss a premium payment and/or don't pay the deductible?

They take a lung.

Honestly it's not that big a

Honestly it's not that big a deal; you get the lung back after you repay your debts plus interest.

Andrew Napolitano for President 2016!
http://andrewnapolitano.com/index

"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

A quote that says it all.......

“Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him had better take a closer look at the American Indian.”
~ Henry Ford

If you can read this thank a teacher. Because it's in English thank a soldier!

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- Alexis de Tocqueville

anyone who is taking a subsidy can basically kiss my

@$$.

Sometimes you have to sacrifice for the greater good. If that means paying more, or paying the penalty then so be it.....Regardless if this post is true or not, do you honestly believe the prices will stay at what they are now?... OF COURSE NOT.... After the gov creates an even bigger healthcare bubble, costs are going to go even further through the roof. And anyone who is taking a subsidy is just helping them do it.

The gov is going to eventually implode.....Then what are all of you on a subsidy going to do....

Stop further endorsing big government with your hypocrisy

I am no fan of Obamacare. I

I am no fan of Obamacare. I think it should be repealed and that it is a dangerous precedent to allow to government to try to force people to buy a product or service just to be alive. However, I keep reading these price horror stories and I thought I'd just share my price story as a balance. I got quotes on the site for my wife and I. The cheapest bronze plan for both of us would cost us 3 dollars per month. Yes, 3 dollars. The silver plan, which is actually a decent plan, will cost 133 dollars per month. These are after subsidy prices, I don't remember the pre-subsidy price. We have never taken a government entitlement before even though we would qualify. But after considering this for a while, We will take the subsidy and get something for our money rather than pay a fine and get nothing. Even Dr. Paul didn't mind bringing home the pork money after he voted no on the bill that got it. Likewise, I will continue to oppose obamacare, but while it's law, I won't throw money away as a fine just to prove a point.

These horror stories also always refer to the silver plans, not the cheaper bronze plan which in my case was cheaper than the fine.

LOL that plan is 60/40.... It

LOL that plan is 60/40.... It doesn't cover jack....

i don't know what plan you're

i don't know what plan you're looking at but this one is 87/13. and paying the fine instead gets you a great 0.

Hmmmmmmm. As a DP member for only two months

your support for Obamacare is the first good report I have seen other than Obama and Pelosi and their cronies. Excuse me for being skeptical.

I refuse to submit.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

I am not supporting it and I

I am not supporting it and I would like to see it repealed. I was just providing a real life counter to the bogus price claimed in this original post. I would also not call it a "good report", just a truthful one. The same way I begrudgingly fill out my tax forms each year, I began the process to comply with this ill-conceived legislation and gave an honest report of my results. I also provided a link to the site so you can verify the info I gave.
Sorry if my line in the sand is different than yours.

why do you call it bogus?

You realize people and states have different items covered now, and the changes hit all states prices differently? So... you can just call it bogus because your experience was different? Seems pretty accurately written to me.

the fine of close to %10 is

the fine of close to %10 is totally bogus. half the comments in here are also people who understand that this is a terrible law but believing and repeating sourceless exaggerated nonsense does not help the cause of fighting it. The fines may well one day approach %10 or more but for now and in this case the comma is most likely in the wrong place and the fine is $403.70.
Here is a good article that clearly explains much of the fine rules:
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-is-the-obamacare-pen...

Know your enemy. Helping to create false myths about your enemy only hurts your cause.

so many things wrong...

First, you are the person they want to convince this is good. The rational thinker that actually can convince others "it's only $3 more per month"...

Just like the income tax was "only 1% on rich people." Just like everything is.

First, you give up the right to own your health care. For "only $3." Next, the limitations on many plans have been shown to cost more than "$3." In other words, they are giving you less coverage for your additional money.

Second... YOU ARE GETTING SUBSIDIZED. Why do you pretend that will continue?

Please stop pretending people are not signing up to prove a point. Point is we know the costs of these plans will rise, and the coverages will fall. They already have dramatically. And the subsidy will go away. Horrible, horrible points.

Interesting, can you share

Interesting, can you share the link to the silver plan?
Need to take a look at the categories covered and the co-pay and deductible to get a complete picture.

https://www.coveredca.com/sho

https://www.coveredca.com/shopandcompare/#healthplans

The link doesn't change as you enter info so you'd go to this link and enter your info to see the plans available to you. If you'd like to recreate mine the info is: 2 adults (33 and 32), $30,000/year, zip-95926.
Also, I was wrong about the cost of the bronze plan, it's not 3 dollars, it's 2.

The enhanced silver plan

The enhanced silver plan indeed looks decent at $133/month. Without tax credits it would've been $500+, but is nice for low income families that are eligible for discounts. I hope that these are not just estimates and that you receive the same prices when you actually buy the insurance.

Do the prices listed apply to any doctor/hospital or only in-network? I couldn't find that info from the site.

But this is still re-distribution of wealth (ofcourse insurance companies benefit more than the people) and at some point will fail when the net tax recipients out-weigh the net tax payers.

the $133 plan is a ppo and

the $133 plan is a ppo and will cover any doctor or hospital but in network doctors are cheaper I believe. that info is found on the site of the given insurance company. I agree that it is income redistribution and, as I began my original post, I don't like the law and hope it is repealed. I will continue to vote for those who will work against it. I believe it will likely fail, but I think it would be in conjunction with the failing of the entire government/economy and health insurance would be the last of our concerns as the military-industrial complex lashes out to maintain control.

Don't Be So Gullible

Stop believing everything you read, even on here. The only fact about this post is that this was on the healthcare blog, nothing in the blog is true. I believe Michael should take this post off Daily Paul as this kind of misinformation does nothing more than damage our reputation for being a truthful online news source. Although Obamacare is an Obamanation and will hurt the masses, exaggerating the problems will not help, but hurt our efforts for repealing it. The poster could be a mole that is trying to hurt this site. A post below put a link to an article that explains the blog post, I will put the link up again: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/...

It sounds like

they are selling people major medical policies for the price of a regular full scale insurance policy. Good luck to all of the suckers who voted for and supported this. And, oh yeah, it's all the Republicans fault.

Guess I should be happy to have medicare; I wasn't that pleased with having to buy that, but it turns out that is the best deal in town. I have an Advantage Plan and it is still going to be around next year, after that I don't know; I thought Obamacare was eliminating them. They are a better deal than original medicare if you are not sick and don't plan on having to go into skilled nursing care, which of course one never knows. But until one gets a chronic illness or until one gets into their 80's it is still a better deal.

Voila---here's how to keep your money ----

l. There is currently no enforcement mechanism available to the IRS except to take your "tax" from your available refund. The answer for you is to "not have" an available refund for them to take from you.
This is easily achieved.
2. You need to decrease your withholding from your paycheck and be certain to put aside any taxes you will owe at the end of the year in a place where you son't spend it.

Doing it this way of course, you won't get a refund. However you do get more control over your money. So when it is tax time you go and get a money order and send it with a signature required to the tax people.

Voila. You keep what is your's and this is still legal.

SequoiaTrees4RonPaul

Why didn't you take screenshots?

Showing that they threatened to put a lien on your house and suspend your drivers license?

Drivers licenses are issued by the states.

This is called spreading FUD - fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

(Note: I do not believe, for one second, that you received such a notice. If people were receiving them, it would be ALL OVER the Internet and even the mainstream news. Yes, there are high deductibles outside of the gold and platinum plans, but thats the insurance companies trying to swindle people into paying extra for non-comprehensive coverage. What a pile of bull this post is)

SteveMT's picture

This is a classic used card salesmen tactic.

The tactic is called 'bait-and-switch.' In this case however the bait was a complete fascist lie and the switch is forced. Sorry about this catch-22 dilemma that you are in.