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Rare skull sparks human evolution controversy

This is fascinating . Check out the link to see the picture. Leaves a lot of questions to be answered.

(CNN) -- Fragments of humans' ancient relatives are scattered across the globe. Sometimes a tooth or a few bones are all we have to tell us about an entire species closely related to humans that lived thousands or millions of years ago.
So when anyone finds a complete skull of a possible human ancestor, paleoanthropologists rejoice. But with new knowledge comes new controversy over a fossil's place in our species' very fuzzy family tree.
In the eastern European nation of Georgia, a group of researchers has excavated a 1.8 million-year-old skull of an ancient human relative, whose only name right now is Skull 5. They report their findings in the journal Science, and say it belongs to our genus, called Homo.
"This is most complete early Homo skull ever found in the world," said lead study author David Lordkipanidze, researcher at the Georgian National Museum in Tbilisi.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/17/world/europe/ancient-skull...



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No, 'cheesewhiz' is a religious fanatic lunatic.

Incapable of logic.

Yep, and here is the source

http://www.dailypaul.com/302496#comment-3235726

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Atheist/evolutionist here, just what is "made up"?

I'm sure that "chessewhiz" believes in some wild made up stories...Meanwhile, the "controversy" is NOT over the fact of human evolution itself. The "controversy" is only about filling in the details as more and more evidence keeps coming in, which is a wonderful problem to have. Having that jaw is huge. As you might not know or realize, we homo sapiens (humans) all share one distinct feature in our skulls, that is our jutting chins. Our chins angle out and away from our lower teeth line, while all apes and early proto homos such as these skulls here, do not, they angle back in towards the neck. This give ancient skulls that "ape-like" look, that is, no jutting chin. It appears from all the evidence today that the human body was very nearly formed 1.8 million years ago as an upright and walking, fingers shortened, foot toes all forward and in alignment, hips flexed to a permanent open form we see today. That is, 1.8 million years ago, human looking bodies with "ape-like" faces. The last thing to change apparently was the face. Changing in our lineage was its distinct larger cranium, recessed brow ridges, and most of all, our unique jutting chins. You might call our lineage of homos, "the Jutting Chin tribe", or the "Big Head tribe" or the "No Brow Baby Face tribe".

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Dude

There is more to it then the skull, The famous Lucy is an ape a knuckle dragging APE. you can tell by the arm bones, the rib cage, there is much more to it than the skull, Lucy walked with its arms like an APE

I find it peculiar that consideration for other theories

Are automatically rejected in a community of people that question everything.

What are your thoughts on what this is? If it doesn't fit then what are we looking at here? How old do you think it is?

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I don't have a problem with evolution as a theory.

I have a problem with the religion of evolution that believes it is concluded, proven science when it is anything but.

The scientific method is very particular and provides zero exceptions.
Either the test can be repeated multiple times, yielding the same result each time, or you don't have a proof.
Period. End of story. No way around it. If you believe in science you believe in this.

Even Charles Darwin himself recognized his own theory was not scientific because it could never, ever be proven. However, believers in the religion of "scientism" (what sounds like science but isn't), cannot accept that as it attacks the central tenet of their religion: evolution as proven science.

Full disclosure: I personally BELIEVE that evolution LIKELY is what occurred.
However, from a scientific perspective, my belief, your belief, every single educated person's BELIEF about it is completely and entirely IRRELEVANT:
Either repeated tests yield the same results each time or you can't prove it. No way around it.

So, the problem I have is the PROPAGANDA around evolution being scientifically proven or when it is represented as fact. Representing it as such is LYING.

I did my research already

I like your "premise" though question everything .. I did question evolution a long time ago and found the theory to have many holes and even more assumptions ... Why have they found carbon14 in every fossil and even in diamonds? .. why have we found almost 1 billion fossils with NO transtional forms .. seems the fossil record proved Darwin wrong

No "transitional forms" -- are you blind man????

Take a good look at that 1.8 million year old skull and watch the video. The evidence for "transitional forms" all over the place. Take a look at the horse. Take a look at the modern whale with its bones. Take a look at the bird called a penquin.

Why there is a whole list of them...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

And for humans, go here and see why Richard Leaky is so famous (you guessed it, transitional fossil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis

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Perhaps you're right

Maybe evolution is false. There certainly is a missing link. I think that's why these findings are so fascinating.

You know, there is a theory that involves the destruction of man every so often. It has to do with glaciers that come about in ice ages and literally erase the existence of most everything like a paint scraper across the surface of a board. If that's true there could be an immense wealth of artifacts lost from times long ago. Who's to say this may not occur yet again?

I love considering the possibilities.

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OK

And yet we teach it as FACT in public indoctrination school .. Seems so wrong on so many levels, but the atheists will not teach competing theories, are they so afraid to be exposed for hucksters and lying sham artists they are??? You can't even question the theory .. listen to Dawkins the king of scam artists, what a fraud that guy is

I'll read a Dawkins book before slipping on some Cheesewhiz

Competing theories? What "competing theory" is there? Recall that to be a theory, it must have FACTS that require an explanation (theory) and that theory must be falsifiable, that is, testable.
Explain to all those on the DailyPaul what "Competing theory" to natural selection that you are referring to. And if you are going to name one of several dozen religious "theories" for Man's existence, start with spelling out the Facts that you are trying to explain and then tell us what FACTS you'll need to see inorder to say its been disproven.

Meanwhile, if you want to disprove the theory of evolution as coming about via natural selection's variation and selection processes, all you have to do is come up with a better (more rational, logical, factual) explanation for all the facts_________..... or simply, find one factual thing that blows the whole theory to kingdomkum such as_________ (you fill in either blank and you'll be more famous than Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon (or is that just a crackpot theory to you too?)

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Almost all of the skeletons

that have been found are actually Nephilim. Just bought a book on giants that have found in the Ohio valley. These freaks were everywhere, and this is the real reason God caused the flood. If you read Genesis, these creatures survived the flood in some form or manner (only because God allowed them too: His ways are mysterious). Is the illuminati decendents of the Nephilim?

Here's a detailed explanation of the fraud you refer to.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/onheel.html

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The Nephilim

The Nephilim stories were taken from the writings of the ancient Greeks and Egyptians that found dinosaur bones and mistook them as human. There is a lot of documentation about this.

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Have you studied this?

The evidence is everywhere of a strange super breed hybrid human. The ancient Egyptians with their elongated heads were not wearing hats in the hieroglyphics, this was their real head shape. How do we know this? Because skulls have been found.

Actually yes I have, and you are right

As a novice Archeologist and Anthropologist I have studied the ancient common place practice of head-binding. It was done all over the world including South America and is still being practiced currently with the exact same physical results. Here is a site with more reality:

http://www.mysterycasebook.com/2011/ancientskulls.html

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That is correct.

But, I think the Egyptians were trying to mimic the Nephilim, believing their head shape is what gave them their superior knowledge. Otherwise, who would even come up with the idea that an elongated head was a sign of super intelligence?

It actually goes back much further

It was written on Cuneiform by the Sumerians.

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A couple more theories,lol

I have a couple more theories.

The first being that because head binding was even practiced since Neanderthals up to current date. The first religious rites known were fertility rites. Idolizing phallic symbols has been common place since the beginning of man. Could they have been creating the impression of a phallic symbol with their own heads?

The second is could it be that they are trying to reproduce the image of the most highly revered fungi of all civilizations since the Neanderthals? The "food of the Gods?", Psilocybe cubensis, Amanita Muscaria and other gifts from God in the form of fungi?

http://www.dailypaul.com/302496#comment-3235726

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Correct!

Many ancient civilizations did this. But again, they must have seen and admired super intelligent beings that actually looked like this to even think of doing such a barbaric act to someone.

So what's your theory on the Nefilim?

Biblically they are fallen angels or Angeles placed on earth. I believe Sitchen says they are a byproduct or hybrid of the Anunaki mixed with earthly DNA ?

Do you subscribe to either theory or have a different spin on it?

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I believe the fallen angel theory is correct.

Whether they mated with women because even they could not resist Gods most beautiful creation, or more likely, they tryed to taint the human blood line so the Savior could never appear.

I think story is interchangible

It essentially is the same story just given from the perspective of ones own bias.

So that being said, I don't buy the Sitchen story and since the story is congruent , I don't buy the Angel one either.

Heres the problem I have with Sitchen. If a master race of aliens descended upon earth and were so technologically advanced that they were
1. Able to come here in the first place
2. Create a hybrid slave race in search of gold
3. Exist on a planet that has such distance from the sun that it's likely frozen with a non inhabitable atmosphere where some kind of science would need to be applied to sustain life as we know it.

Then why did they need a slave race at all? With that kind of technology they could have presumably extracted the gold they sought by mechanical or other mysterious means.

It's a fun story though....now for the bad news, the story is still interchangeable. I'll save that version since it's not one that helps in making friends and most don't want to hear it anyway.

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I believe the current sightings

of UFO's are actually the return of the Nephilim. What better way to get people believing that the Bible is nonsense, than to appear as alien creatures that evolved just like earthlings did. Besides, every person that has been abducted had strange sexual experiments done to them. Again, they are trying to breed with us. I have to admit though, when a friend first started me down this road of investigation, I thought he was a nut case. Turns out, he was correct on many levels. Besides that, he knows the scriptures better than most preachers. The Lord never reveals more than we can comprehend.

Forgive me

if I don't jump on the bandwagon. The so called "experts" of this world have been wrong about climate change, they continuously get hurricane season wrong,keep telling people with cancer and heart disease that grains are good for you, and the list goes on and on. So I place little faith in what they say about fossils they find.

how come

how come everytime they find a new bone it causes them to radically change their view? Sounds like a very weak theory.

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Funding

You don't get as much extra funding if your discovery is not much of a discovery. That is to say that you've discovered something that someone else has already cataloged.

If you examine modern human skulls & bones from different ethnic groups around the world, you will find a great deal of variation in jaw shapes, cranium sizes, heights, sturdiness, etc.

Seems to me they've found another hominid and don't have enough info to make clear sense of where it belongs in the family tree.

What was that saying?

You either publish your findings or die? To hell if it is accurate?
I remember it on a Tales from the Crypt show where the dude gets injected with his medicine he keeps right next to the test medicine.

That is a bit of a fallacy

Finding this skull is not causing them to "radically change" their views. It is, however, causing some skepticism towards the timetable of homo species leaving Africa. A "radical" change would be creating an entirely new theory to work off of, that is not what they are doing.

There was also fairly recently bones discovered in a cave in Russia that is creating the possibility of a parallel species of humans at the time of the Neanderthals - not quite Neanderthals but not modern human. This doesn't change the fact that there are Neanderthals, but adds a branch to the theories already out there.

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