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I encourage you to bring all your interests here

We all came in from a wide variety of interests and backgrounds. All from someplace different, and we all converged at a moment in time.

It was an era, and now we're entering a new era. Pay attention. There is going to be tumult.

Let's just do one thing and stop criticizing each other. Let's just take a step back and share, without the need to fight about it. Everything does not have to be an argument.

We're draining our energy. The negativity just drives people away. It doesn't solve any problems.

Just remember - we're all united here by a moment in time. We're a cosmic family, brought together by a wide array of circumstances. All brought together for a reason. If that reason is to be found, it is to be found in yourself, and in expressing that self.

Don't just copy the media's negativity. That is such a bore. Get to connecting with other people. Find out what we're doing here together.

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P.S. I have "market socialism" in the diagram because I ran into one of my old Ron Paul buddies at the grocery store. He'd grown a beard. And he called himself a "market socialist" and I said, that's great. I don't really care because it is nice to see you, and we really shared some good and interesting times. And now we're all shooting off into space, on our own different trajectories. Like graduating from high school or something.

But just remember, we're all still friends. We were all part of that era, and shared that moment in time.

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What I have enjoyed

over the years, I never knew who I was talking to. I didn't know if it was a male or female, color, social class, fat, thin, pretty, ugly, young, old, all the stuff that gets in the way of listening.

Many times I was pleasantly surprised to learn that the person I was talking to was different than what I had imagined.

I like all the names we choose for ourselves, so many creative names and some interesting stories behind them.

We have the opportunity maybe for the first times in our lives to connect and learn from one another, without all the baggage society
heaps on us.

The people here are more interesting than the news stories, the many points of view and insight I gather are like panning for gold nuggets, I gain a wealth of knowledge that I would never have experienced off the internet.

Off the internet we probably would not interact or even notice one another, here we are all equal.

What a wonderful experience this has been for me.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Wise words,

quiltingsando!

"Air is the very substance of our freedom, the substance of superhuman joy....aerial joy is freedom."--Gaston Bachelard--

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We will be friends forever here because of that bond. But as

you said, we are entering a new era and need to pay attention. That's why I'm so thankful we have the DP. Thanks for this great post, Michael.

Debbie

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Life Styles of the Freedom Lovers

The different ways people express their freedoms and efforts toward more freedom interests me. Not just the endless stream of gut churning political atrocities and disappointments.

Ron Paul and the people behind him brought fresh optimism and gathering points for freedom lovers to make change; all inspiring one another in getting the word out.

I believe that attitude is key, and is the best way for individuals to carry forward with whatever action and inactions they choose.

Every moment of the day we leave our impressions with others.

Carry on and walk with levity. It's fresh to be free.

Cheers

Thanks Michael, you always know how to put this stuff in perspective.

Good luck with your trip!

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Thanks Michael

I learned from our exchange re Cenk Uygur

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But, I Came here FOR an argument!!

One of the all-time great

One of the all-time great Monty Python bits (back at the height of their comedic powers).

sorry, your post just

sorry, your post just inspired me to do it

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Bring your stamps, too - Thanks Chris

I went to the Post Office for a final check, and look what I had waiting for me from Chris, our resident book fiend:

Wow! What a great surprise. Not to mention what was inside.

I'm going to go light some fires!

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Awesome stamp collection!

Awesome stamp collection!

Thanks Michael

Tolerance is key to living free.

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P.P.S. Don't get stuck in a moment that you can't get out of

I meant to work this into the post last night, but I forgot.


http://youtu.be/UQLo-nJCQP8

I'm not afraid
Of anything in this world
There's nothing you can throw at me
That I haven't already heard

I'm just tryin' to find
A decent melody
A song that I can sing
In my own company

I never thought you were a fool
But darling, look at you
You gotta stand up straight, carry your own weight
'Cause these tears are going nowhere, baby

You've got to get yourself together
You've got stuck in a moment
And now you can't get out of it

Don't say that later will be better
Now you're stuck in a moment
And you can't get out of it

Continue...

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Oh wow!

Loved it. Actually gave me chills. =) Thanks for sharing it. xoxox

Michael, thank you for . . .

putting up with *us*.

Yes, we all do come from different places, but there is a feeling of community here that is very real.

I get on here and read about entrepreneurs while planning my day around splitting and stacking wood--

to heat our home for the winter--

our lifestyle is SO different from that of many DPers--

LOL!

As I stack wood, I really do feel concern for people in the world who are:

--hungry

--cold

I can't help it; I gravitate to those issues.

And speaking of food, there is much to be done this time of year in the north--

to put things 'by'.

God bless.

(if you read this)

:)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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Thank you

God bless you too.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

Here, here Michael

well said and well timed. Your visual aid is quite effective, at least for me.

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

The DP is like a family to

The DP is like a family to me. It's dysfunctional at times but what family isn't. Though, we may all benefit from some anger management and learn how to channel that anger into something positive. And we may be able to achieve something if we learn to communicate in a more respectable manner.

Thanks Michael

For reminding us what we're all about and what we need to focus on. Peace, love and Ron Paul!

Peace, love, and Liberty. Ron

Peace, love, and Liberty. Ron Paul brought us to that realization but we must not idolize anyone.

True True

I agree

FREEDOM Brings us together!


http://youtu.be/w0GUc-p3JIE

Thanks Michael

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Must have been some strange planetary alignment...

... weird seeing those few moments of honesty. That right there should have been the turning point where everyone woke up. Didn't happen, but I think almost, it did. Gotta keep trying.

very cool variation on the chaosphere

I dig it.

Ron Paul was the Prima Materia. Now we are going through putrefaction. It's up to each individual arrow to go find its albedo. Safe journey, arrows. Some will shoot off straight into space. Some will intertwine to form a caduceus, the DNA of a new life. Some will turn into a hungry ourobouros, feeding upon itself. Some will attract other arrows into a new buzzing sphere, to burst forth into another supernova of arrows.

It will be a beautiful show to watch.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

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Oh man there were a lot of $50 words in there that I don't know

Good work! Bring it.

We'll all learn from each other and grow, grow, grow.

Supernova. It will be a beautiful show.

Michael Nystrom
Ron Paul Class of 2007

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

....er....those are old alchemy related...

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Ouroboros

The Ouroboros often symbolize self-reflexivity or cyclicality, especially in the sense of something constantly re-creating itself, the eternal return, and other things such as the phoenix which operate in cycles that begin anew as soon as they end. It can also represent the idea of primordial unity related to something existing in or persisting from the beginning with such force or qualities it cannot be extinguished. While first emerging in Ancient Egypt, the Ouroboros has been important in religious and mythological symbolism, but has also been frequently used in alchemical illustrations, where it symbolizes the circular nature of the alchemist's opus. It is also often associated with Gnosticism, and Hermeticism.

News to me. Thanks.

To be mean is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that one is; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil out of stupidity. - C.B.

I don't know what I am looking at

but I agree. (what is that in quotes?)

There are 5 main divides, and they shouldn't be.

Theist vs atheist
Pro Israel vs anti-Israeli government
Pro life vs pro choice
Minarchist (unsure who will build the roads) vs anarchist (Austrian)
Respectable hat vs tin foil hat

Except for abortion these are quibbles. It doesn't matter if you think there's some thing the government could possibly do well, or you think there is nothing, or if you think Israel is a pernicious political influence or if you think Israel is the perpetual underdog, or if you think freedom comes from God and can be supported by the bible or if you think the yearning for liberty is inherent to man.

We all want less government than we have. We all know from history that governments use ruses to propagandize for war or domestic oppression, so whether any particular recent ruse is a conspiracy or not isn't that important. We all agree we should cut foreign aid. If, on the path to cutting it all some want to cut it less for Israel so what? Can you be a 'true' libertarian if you don't believe in god or can you be a 'true' libertarian if you do? I see them both with my eyes. I've talked to both. Is Tom woods not a true Libertarian because he's an Catholic? Is Walter Block not a true libertarian because he's atheist? Of course they both are.

Only one of these is even remotely important enough to split us, abortion, simply due to the fact if you think abortion is murder it's hard to get past it. For me : I do think it's murder but I don't want the state to have power of life or death for something this important. It's a tricky philosophical issue. If monopoly law precludes the mother from aborting then it's slavery for her. In the case of rape it's clear. In the case of consensual sex it's less clear but then you can ask the question, can you voluntarily make yourself a slave?

Under free law I would feel far more comfortable with what sanctions might be imposed against abortion. But so long as we have monopoly law I want them out of the question.

Still, even this question should not divide us. It does not lend itself to simple answers. And we can all I agree, I hope, that at a minimum Roe v Wade is an unconstitutional decision. If it's murder, abortion is a criminal matter. Ultimately the Constitution does not give the US government any authority in criminal matters. Criminal matters are the purview of the states. While not as good as free law, 50 monopoly laws competing is a hell of a lot better than one central, unconsitutional decision.

When we say that someone can't be libertarian if they don't agree on one of these issues, we are trying to use that as a bludgeon to get the other person to agree based on something other than the merit of the argument. This is fallacious, but probably more importantly, it doesn't work. So when we use this tactic we are doing harm without any benefit.

Last note. If you are new to libertarianism, and come in guns blazing, understand you are talking to some people that have thought a lot about these things and if you think you have all the answers and want to proclaim them, you're gonna embarrass yourself. By the same token, veterans should really try to be nice and not assume everyone who pops up pontificating how they will save the movement is just a troll. Be nice, don't embarrass them needlessly just because you can. This can be a make or break moment for someone.

this should be its own post

With a little more extrapolation on the other four divides.

Oh yeah, and add the immigration debate.

I was very pleased to read your post.

Séamusín

Thank you

I did consider immigration but I think we all agree that open immigration would be ideal, but sadly Milton Friedman's observation that open immigration + the welfare state doesn't really work is a concern. So to me this debate (for us) is really about anarchism vs minarchism, ie do we want to open the borders because anything the state does is evil per se, or even to collapse the system sooner, as many anarchists might say, or do we want to try to fix the system, end the welfare state or at least get it under control so that we don't have immigration for the purpose of a welfare check.

The sort of mainstream union style objection that they will 'steal our jobs' is out there but I think people here are economically literate enough not to think that, or else will come up to speed quickly if they continue haunt these environs:)

As for my own position on immigration: I'm somewhat in the end the welfare state then open the border camp. Or at least tie immigration to no benefits for some long period.

I know the state is evil. I want it not to exist. I know we would be incalculably better of without out it.. but I do not particularly want to live through the transition. So if we can restore the Constitution and the Republic I would be very happy.

America still lives in my heart though it is as broken as America.