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Are Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Tom Woods, Barry Goldwater, and Justin Amash all duping you?

EDIT AND DISCLAIMER: The title of this thread is a rhetorical question. It is designed to stimulate discussion. I am a big fan of each of the persons mentioned and am in no way implying they've 'duped' anyone. I thought that would be obvious from this post.

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That would seem like quite a stretch. This post is aimed at those who believe in "secret legal system" type theories, such as the whole sovereign citizen mythology, strawman stuff, redemption/ UCC protocols, etc.

All of these ethical, brilliant men, who are or were the leaders of the libertarian movement, have one thing in common: they never say anything about this stuff. Ever. None has ever said there is a straw man. None has ever said there is an secret legal system, or that we operate under "admiralty law" (rofl) or that one can file a UCC-1 and somehow take a security interest in one's self, magic word defenses, or any of the other (frankly) gibberish that get floated around this site regularly by a few posters.

Why is that? I'd like to know the explanation for this, from those few. Do you believe they are "in on it?" Are they "secret double agents" or is there some other supernatural explanation you have? If so, please do tell! I'm trying to understand your participation in a movement that doesn't really have anything to do with your ideas. Respond, and flame, away.

The poultry abides.



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Sorry, my post went to the wrong place.

I deleted it here and posted in the proper place.

you mean

nahhh,,,too easy.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

deacon's picture

my one regret

is I only get 1 down vote to give

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

You;re typical of the kind of person who downvotes this

You've already demonstrated to me your reasoning ability.

1. You follow David Icke - a man who believes we live in a matrix and are ruled by blood drinking shape shifting lizards, because his friend took some lsd and told him so.

2. You follow white supremacist teachings

Therefore, it doesn't surprise me that you reject the quality reasoning that I employ. I consider it a badge of honor to have you downvote me. Knock yourself out

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

deacon's picture

exactly

but not for content,but from whom,and the purpose behind it.
As far as david icke,shall i yet again POST WHY I GAVE YOU THAT LINK?
Or would it be another one of your lack of comprehension skills?
You see my rubbery friend I told you before how much I loved you
and I told you why...YOU ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED,YOU ARE A DULL TOOL
ANNNND,your only reason for being here is to troll for information
You have proved this time and time again

another topic.....your spell'n....like what? It only applies when others
type something wrong,or you have no response?
You see, my slippery buddy,the only time you type crap,is when you have no answer...which is most of the time
You post here,not to gain knowledge...but to try and belittle those who know
more than you ever will...why? because you sold out,can't do a thing about it
AAAAANNNNDD,can't stand others seeing what you fail to see
BETWEEN YOU AND I,you basement dwelling troglodyte ,you are shooting blanks

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Just callin' it like it is

you're a dupe that believes in lizard people.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I Got It! Your a Troll

You argue exactly like this far left wing nut job that I run into from time to time with name calling and the lies. You are on the wrong site Chicken, this is not HuffPo.

well it isn't mises.org or ron paul forums either

for some reason I like this site. I get sick of the bad conspiracy theories, the lame fake law posts, and the general immaturity sometimes, but there are occasionally very bright and insightful people, who have something very interesting to say. And there are also people that are here just looking for the truth. If I get to tell the truth to some people, that's great. It's like shooting fish in a barrel with the sovereign citizens, though!

Nothing I've posted is pro Huff Post or liberal at all. The more you understand sovereign citizen theories the more you realize they aren't libertarian at all. They may just find an audience here for awhile. But everyone they fool wakes up. Eventually. Some of them do so too late.

Have a nice day :)

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Chicken, when you are ready to get down to work, let me know.

Otherwise, it is a waste time.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Not at all impressed

I like that movie. Saw it recently again.

But that scene, like most Hollywood movies when they try to depict brilliance, fails.

Here's why. He doesn't demonstrate analytical ability, except fleetingly, but demonstrates a "photographic memory." Two different things. A complete moron can have a photographic memory and tell you what was printed on a specific page.

I knew people who claimed to have photographic memories who failed out of law school. Why? Because they couldn't analyze, interpret, understand.

That you think this clip demonstrates intellect, shows what you don't know, or have. Fail.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Analytical ability.

You may or may not be correct, considering that your statement is based upon generalization.

There are two famous quotes that are among my favorite (no, they are not mine):

1. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

2. Actions speak louder than words.

The first words of both of the quotes above,, there are few who can compete with me.

So, Chicken, either sh|t or get off of the pot. Or more specifically, out of the pen.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

you've got it backwards

if you want to have me accept your pet unicorn theory is valid, you've gotta show some proof.

Stated alternatively, sh_t or get off the pot.

You're failing in seriatum.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

i live in the uk

and i probably know more about the secret federal reserve ron paul ,justin amash ,tom woods ,barry goldwater ,rand paul than you do

really?

woooowwweeee

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Oh Man

First it was Chickenator vs Dr. BatShit now it's Chickenator vs Ozark Hillbilly.

Pictoral description of thread:

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Freedom is not: doing everything you want to.
Freedom is: not having to do what you don't want to do.
~ Joyce Meyer

It's pretty clear now

the people who believe in these theories don't even know why they believe them. They can't cite to any fact that they are aware of, they're just parroting nonsense they've heard somewhere. I declare victory.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

OK you've got your victory.

You win, you are right and everyone else is wrong, pick up your I AM RIGHT medal, and don't let the door hit your ase on the way out chicken lady!

ok thanks loser

did you know they have drugs to combat that nasty PMS?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

True,

but they don't have drugs to combat a hate filled heart.

so then what're you gonna do?

Perhaps you should be more giving.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

This is how I know

That Pink Floyd does not exist. As much as I would like to believe that Pink Floyd DOES exist, I have to face the fact they simply cannot exist do to the in-your-face fact that Ron, Rand, Tom, Barry, and Justin refuse to speak on them.

All of these ethical, brilliant men, who are or were the leaders of the libertarian movement, have one thing in common: they never say anything about this stuff. Ever.

None has ever said there is a Pink. None has ever said there is a Floyd.

As much as it pains me to have to face this horrible reality, I must. I must in the name of logic accept the fact that Pink Floyd does not exist.

NO ONE can produce a eweTube video of ANY of these men speaking on the subject. That's how I know that Pink Floyd never has, and never will exist. Man it sux because I really enjoyed listening to their music.

really bad reasoning

Ron Paul and others have been on the record for decades talking about Constitutional law and our judicial system. The point is that no scholar of any credibility has ever said they buy into any of these theories.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Nor have they...

said a word about Pink Floyd and I agree with you: Really Bad Reasoning.

then find me just one

No credible source has ever said any of that crap exists. There's a reason for that. It doesn't.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Hey, I'm agreeing with you.

Neither Admiralty Law or Pink Floyd exist.

admiralty law exist, but it doesn't apply everywhere

of course it exists. If someone pushes you off a boat, you have a claim under admiralty law.

If you are charged with an assault, and it didn't happen on a boat, no admiralty jurisdiction.

It's really simple. The kooks think admiralty governs everything. It doesn't, it's very limited. And, once again, no one with an ounce of credibility has agreed with the freeman hoax theories about admiralty law.

Pink Floyd perhaps is a bad example. I'm not sure that they do "exist." When is the last time they made a record? Their stuff was for burnouts anyway.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

If someone pushes you off a boat who is the judge?

Where would court be held? Why are there jail cells on ships?

If the Captain of the vessel mandates that all passengers need have written permission slips from the Captain to walk down his passageways, is that a lawful order under Admiralty Law? And if you are caught walking down his passageways does he have power to throw you into jail? Afterall, you agreed to board his vessel, and have willingly subjected yourself to his jurisdiction, correct?

He is literally a dictator aboard his vessel.

As I've already proven as fact, the founders said that he(the British Monarch) had extended Admiralty Law beyond its ancient limits, and onto the land. How exactly was that accomplished by King George?

Hey Debased ...

... I like your style. We need you in the debate club. ;-)

Thanks :)

But am I not already in the Ron Paul debate club? I thought this was it.

...Wait, there's an official club? Sign me up!