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Are Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Tom Woods, Barry Goldwater, and Justin Amash all duping you?

EDIT AND DISCLAIMER: The title of this thread is a rhetorical question. It is designed to stimulate discussion. I am a big fan of each of the persons mentioned and am in no way implying they've 'duped' anyone. I thought that would be obvious from this post.

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That would seem like quite a stretch. This post is aimed at those who believe in "secret legal system" type theories, such as the whole sovereign citizen mythology, strawman stuff, redemption/ UCC protocols, etc.

All of these ethical, brilliant men, who are or were the leaders of the libertarian movement, have one thing in common: they never say anything about this stuff. Ever. None has ever said there is a straw man. None has ever said there is an secret legal system, or that we operate under "admiralty law" (rofl) or that one can file a UCC-1 and somehow take a security interest in one's self, magic word defenses, or any of the other (frankly) gibberish that get floated around this site regularly by a few posters.

Why is that? I'd like to know the explanation for this, from those few. Do you believe they are "in on it?" Are they "secret double agents" or is there some other supernatural explanation you have? If so, please do tell! I'm trying to understand your participation in a movement that doesn't really have anything to do with your ideas. Respond, and flame, away.

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nope. you fail.

Ron Paul has never said any of these things exist.

Of course there is corruption. That is not the topic. You have no info, you fail. sucker!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Maybe you should change the name you hid behind

from chickenator to rudebitch.

awww

maybe you should change yours to pluck off

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You know I've got you covered

you fake law scammers and hoaxers, you can't get out of this one! nope! Back to working at walmart!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I hope we can agree that

I hope we can agree that legal trickery does exist. Ignoring 200 years of American jurisprudence - let's just assume that there might be one or two dishonest men who would write laws to benefit themselves.

Can we agree to that?

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

Agreed.

That is why knowledge is power. In both instances.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

vague pronouncement

senseless explanation.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

you're trying to change the subject

no one said that the legal system we have is ideal. That isn't the topic.

You don't say what "legal trickery" is. But that isn't the topic.

We're going to send you home with a note to your Mom, you have to re-do your homework this time.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

No. I'm merely trying to get

No. I'm merely trying to get a better picture of your overall position but, being as it is so high up your rear end, I needed to shine some light up there.

I don't think I'll bother you any further. Carry on.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

my overall position

on what?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

If Tom Woods Is In On Some Kind Of Scam

He's an awfully good actor.

My two cents: I think Tom is a standup guy.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Yes! My point exactly!

and thank you for playing!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

"Secret legal system"

No.

Knowledge is power. There are 3 basic types of people:

Those who lead. Those who follow. Those who go along to get along.

For those who follow, or go along to get along, higher knowledge and self esteem may not be on the priority list. They may believe what they want, not necessarily based upon fact, but typically what is easier to digest. There are, as always, exceptions.

Those who lead, rightly or wrongly, have some degree of higher understanding and/or knowledge. They will utilize that knowledge to an advantage.

Take for instance, you.

My hope is that you are not finished learning, and will choose to utilize your knowledge to support/promote Liberty and Freedom.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

already do

and this post is part of that

I do find it interesting that you vaguely allude to something, but don't say what it is, and of course, you provide no proof. Protocol for fake legal scammers, you follow it to the tee.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Nahh...

The cat just got your tongue, is all.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

the cat got my tongue?

and that somehow prevented you from posting a complete thought?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

ROFL

GUESSS I LEFT THEM SPEECHLESS

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Gotta watch those capital letters...

...I think you may have inadvertently turned yourself into a joint stock company.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

does that mean

that I can only have subsidiaries, and not children?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

What about Ben Swann?

why has he not done an expose on how if a flag has fringe on it, that means there is "admiralty jurisdiction" afloat...? Should we ask him? Do you want me to? I'll do it...

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Not a flame, but a serious suggestion here:

Could you find something positive to do with your expertise on this site? You have given your professional opinion as a licensed attorney so many times and this is getting old.

What really is the point? Even those who believe in the movements you suggest will rarely take action, and if they do, it is their problem and not yours. Why don't you ignore this stuff, and provide the DP readers with information that you feel is sound on how to better protect ourselves from an out of control legal system?

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

what's wrong with searching for the truth?

hmmm? And since when is ridding of disinformation not positive? Since when is verbally providing people some sense, instead of nonsense, not positive? Do tell. Seems very soul-less to me. And what is to say that I don't do things that even you would consider "positive"? How do you know I am not the president of some nonprofit legal foundation dedicated to preserving the rule of law and the constitution? How do you know I don't rescue small puppies from burning buildings? Hmmm?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

self amusement, plus education

consider it a charity to myself and others. I am actually curious as to how one holds delusional beliefs, and find it humorous and also interesting when people do.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

ah, mindless downvotes

music to my laptop

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein