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GOP Dupe or Dope at Anti-NSA Rally

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Republican Rep. Justin Amash is a true "fellow traveler," working with the Reds and loony left to subvert the NSA, while ignoring Vladimir Putin's KGB.



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Totally

dope. Great speech.

Exposing the Left/Right Illusion

Is Happening. The FAKE STATE has no clothes.

Who posts this KRAP?

Who posts this KRAP? Constitutionalists are now the loony left? Please keep this KRAP to yourself, we do NOT need to be giving it more views!

Labels are fucking stupid.

Sometimes I just utterly can't believe the things people want to go out of their way argue and be divisive about.

Adolph Hitler could have attended this rally, it still would have been a good thing.

What wrong with the left supporting amash?

They are supporting him about the intrusive NSA spying on Americans. What's wrong with that?

The Tea Party uprisings are easily co-opted

The Tea Party uprisings are easily co-opted by the likes of Amash and Cruz (Bush Republican). Like it or not, Occupy Wallstreet could not be co-opted by the DNC, and its coordinated destruction was carried out by DHS and NSA. That much is well known in how they treated the protesters once they realized that if people realized they had a bought government, the protests would just turn worse.

The Tea Party and OWS did not have much off. Many liberal and independents protesting the current government are doing so for similar reasons as the Tea Party. They see the US becoming a police state. But they will not be bought. The transition to this "new form of government" or domestic policy, has been going on since 9/11. This event gave opportunists a way to destroy this country internally. Note that wedge issues that will probably never be resolved on a federal level like gun control and abortion are constantly used to drive a wedge between real conservatives and classical liberals. This is because both have become anti-war and anti-authoritarian. One can argue that they always were.

The working class American people have more in common with each other than they ever will with the modern day robber barons and government policymakers. It is just a matter of perception to keep protests off the MSM. The rally to rid the WW2 monuments, memorials, and other areas in Washington, DC by World War 2 and Vietnam veterans struck me as quite interesting. This was deemed to be "coordinated right-wing militia" groups. However, many of those arrested, pushed around, and treated terribly by law enforcement were never asked a party affiliation. In fact, most either had none, and many of the WW2 vets were likely democrats from Roosevelt's "arsenal of democracy" era. More money was spent erecting those barricades than ever maintaining those areas.

Do not trust the mainstream news - it is bought and paid for by monied interests. Do not believe any politician coming to "join the Tea Party" to aid them in their "plight". Its just the establishment coming for you, just like Giuliani ran for president on the backs of the 9/11 families and just the way every politician since has brought it up as a crass way to justify increased militarism around the world. In reality, those families were paid huge settlements (i.e. compensation) from Uncle Sam not to sue them or talk sh*t about them, and thats the god honest truth.

The MSM is buzzing, recently, about Snowden being the "biggest intelligence failure in US history". No. 9/11 was. And that one act, as horrendous as it may be, is miniscule compared to the number of reprisal casualties we have inflicted on civilians in multiple countries around the world. It is nothing compared to how many people have died in these multi-generational wars, started on a rumor and continued on a myth. Wise up folks.

RonPaulWasRight

You sir are such an obvious troll, I question the wisdom of anyone that is conversing with you.

Really not trying to troll

Just an observation

OWS had no presumed goals other than to strip Wall Street of FED bailouts and reroute the money into a jobs program.

The "Ron Paul" era Tea Party emerged as a response to similar foreign and domestic monetary policy.

The buildings are the only difference as to what is going on here.

You had tent cities popping up all over the country. They were taken down matter of factly and do nto have much of a difference. The Tea Party is better organized because it has, in many ways, been co-opted. It still will not touch the Fed except for Ran Paul's stipulation on the Fed Chairman going for the filibuster unless Audit the Fed is brought to the floor.

I would say OWS started more as a response to foreign and domestic authoritarianism but ended with a realization that the Federal Reserve was part of the cartel to blame. Essentially private banks do control the country. OWS had no real political power. The Tea Party did, primarily because of Ron Paul, and then Rand. I do not trust Amash or Cruz on these issues.

OWS was astro-turf from the

OWS was astro-turf from the start, so there was nothing to co-opt.

The Tea Party began organically and Cruz and Amash are like it or not almost exactly in line with Tea Party values and more in line with ours than OWS ever would be.

Tea Party branded organizations are of course establishment trying to steer TP to a more 'acceptable' path. But the real TP, is out there in the form of hundreds of groups over the country and they can't be co-opted because there is no leadership.

OWS still exists too, but it's far far less. Once the money stopped they pretty much stopped.

You're right about a lot, but you seem to get a few key things..

...wrong, I believe.

The Tea Party is easily infiltrated... True.

But Amash is consistent with a large percentage of the Tea Party's ideology. Tea Party has a pretty wide scope of ideals, within the conservative wing of the republican party. Yes, it has been co-opted by the mainstream GOP, but Ron Paul started the Tea Party and those ideals and those individual patriots are still the heart of it.
As for Cruz, he does have a questionable history, and he is not eligible for POTUS, yet he has expressed interest in running. So he is a bit suspect. But he has been pretty good for us on most issues as a Senator. I'd say he fits right in at a Tea Party rally.

You then say that OWS was not co-opted by the DNC... really? Pretty sure Union democrats were bussing people in. Pretty sure the socialist movement was the core of OWS. "Blame capitalism", was the mantra.
You later say, that abortion & gun-control are things that separate OWS, from the Tea Party. Well, that's for sure. But you incorrectly label OWS as "classic liberals", while correctly (for the most part) labeling Tea Partiers as "conservatives" (But there are 'constitutional-conservatives, and there are authoritarian-conservatives, the latter are often religious conservatives as well). "Classic Liberals", are basically equivalent to modern day Libertarians. "Classic Liberals", like T. Jefferson, would not support gun control. Abortion is another issue. I'm not sure what a "classic liberal" would think about that.

The last thing I disagree with you about in your post, is when you said "many of the WW2 vets were likely democrats from Roosevelt's era".
Maybe that's true. But I'm guessing most of those guys are "right-wingers", and if they voted for Rossevelt, haven't likely supported democrats in decades. Just my educated guess.

The rest of your post I for the most part agree with. But those few things are don't are kind of key.
The thing I agree with most, is that 'classic liberals' and 'conservatives', as well as OWS & Tea Party, as well as all the American people, have in common with each other, by far, than we d with the globalist Elite.

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Nothing is perfect

My belief, though, is that both groups identified the same problem. At some key point it was realized OWS would not turn political and would only grow until all corporate welfare was ended. OWS, you could say, was more of a socialist response to authoritarianism whereas Tea Party used classic libertarian views and definitely used early US colonial history as its backbone. I would say OWS tried to pick up on the steam of the Civil Rights Movements of the 60s but the govt learned its mistakes in squashing that from the Vietnam era. DHS trucks still round Zucotti Park looking for troublemakers, that much is true.

Least we forget San Francisco

Some called it an Earhtquake, but according to the documentary Damnest Finest Ruins, the Mayor (who was indicted to be arrested the day the quake hit) called the feds, who called the Army.. while the Navy worked to put out fires. the Army used black dynomite and blew up anything that made San Francisco "The Pearl of the Pacific". Three days they blew up San Francisco and the mint remains unscathed to this day.

Both OWS and the Tea Party are MSM talking points.

The Tea Party recently became a Caucus to the GOP, so I see them growing and developing candidates and issues. Cash flow is a good thing, Tea Partiers apparently know how to multi-task.

OWS hey day is over. like Meetups or other flash in the pans that are designed for good people to do something, smile for the camera.. OWS has not changed anything and won't. But it's great for good hearted people to have something to come together and hold a sign over. Makes them feel better and gives us another roadside attraction.

When you say, "the establishment coming for you". You are poisioning your well. The establishment is there, use it or lose it.

Wow Granger,

You posted a great point for supporting ...

That is not the point here of my reply, what is very interesting is that you didn't misspell one word, nor transpose any letter. Your dislexia has been cured!

And your last statement is SO Constitutional.

"When you say, "the establishment coming for you". You are poisioning your well. The establishment is there, use it or lose it."

You are here for no other reason than to protect it I think. I'm glad you are here, but you are back on Ignore. ;)

Thank you Michael for the toggle option.

I don't believe it's commonly understood or known

That the property insurers saved San Francisco. The facts came out many years after the earthquake, but the city was intentionally burned. It's probably the biggest example of governmental arson in history (pre9/11). The property insurance policies of the day, as they do now, exclude earthquake damage, however they have an "ensuing clause". Earthquake is excluded, "unless fire ensues", fire coverage trumps the earthquake exclusion. The word went out and the city was burned, many were involved from the fire department, government officials, to property owners. There was no FEMA, no fiat money to print, funds weren't available from federal government, but there were funds enough in the private insurance reserves to cover that catastrophic loss. 90% of the city was rebuilt by private insurance, no arson charges were ever made or alleged, insurers paid the claims as they were filed.

http://www.rkmc.com/resources/articles/lessons-of-the-san-fr...

You're right

The documentary, The Damnest Finest Ruins, cured my apathy over 911.. 911 was tragic, but the burning/bombing of San Francisco is the greatest modern day tragic story never told. There are a lot of lessons, the hard part being how to apply them.. back then it was gold and silver.. SF had 37 national banks.. and they burned as much film as they could trying to send the whole event up in smoke.

When I see SF today I think, one could be born and raised here and never know the whole truth about San Francisco.. I bet there are folks who don't know there was ever an Earthquake, or think of the quake from 89 because SF has covered it's crimes, so busy making new ones.. interesting too that it was called Yerba Buena (Good herb, and known as a healing place).

I love it, instead of pointing out that on issues where the

Nations life blood, the very fabric is supported by both the left and right, it is an issue that all American loving individuals could get behind even if labeled as a dupe or a dope. The first bi-partisan march is not a good thing for the political class when the two sides come together on equal ground pushing for the same issue, this takes their control away, and frightens them to the core. Not because of a suspected uprising, but the thought that they could be held accountable and their jobs of being worthless embarrassments could be threatened.

The uniting of both the left and right is yet one more Obama failure where the norm is dividing the people so they fight over small issues while the bankers steal our nation. Once the people realize that they cannot change a system supported by all of those bought and paid for, they will start voting them out of office in droves, and the people may once again take power and keep it where it belongs. For example the title of the video is:
GOP Dupe or Dope at Anti-NSA Rally

But there is a different take on other main stream sites:
http://news.yahoo.com/hundreds-march-washington-against-nsa-...

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

How is that the "looney left"?

I didn't see any lefty signs there, I saw "impeach Obama" signs. This is some desperate establishment propaganda/misinformation.

I don't trust Putin one bit. That's the point. Obama is a commie globalist wanna-be emperor just like Putin. The NSA is doing exactly what the KGB & Gestapo dreamed of doing. I'm sure Putin is proud... or jealous...

I don't trust Snowden either, no I don't. Too coincidental. Total psy-op to paint libertarians & whistleblowers as traitors in the eyes of the sheeple. Set precedent for actual charges for what is essentially Freedom of Speech.
How does an NSA asset slip the country to Moscow, Russia?
Notice they made a point to say he was a 'Ron Paul' supporter. What a traitor, ya know?
Makes Russia look more sympathetic to liberty than the US.

Though Snowden was likely (imho) a NSA/CIA asset, and the whole story was a psy-op, it clearly back-fired on TPTB.
But, if Snowden is not an asset and he is for real, then what he did was right, and the Russians are just being smart and playing to their advantage.

But it's all a show, Obama & Putin are on the same team. The goal is to diminish America's standing in the world. America (meaning the American people, the Free-Market engine, and the Constitution) is, of course, the greatest obstacle in the way of the NWO.

{The US Government, fallen into the wrong hands, is a power that can only be matched by that of the American people themselves.

That co-opted US government hierarchy has allied itself, heck, was probably created by this authoritarian-collectivist New World Order. The Communists in Russia, and Nazis in Europe, were the earlier politico-economic versions of the NWO. And while they nearly succeeded in conquering Europe, they failed to accomplish the true goal. America, and it's free-market stood in the way. The New version of the NWO is an amalgam of what the Nazis did, what the Soviets did, and what America has done.}

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Lawman?

I don't trust Snowden either, no I don't. Too coincidental. Total psy-op to paint libertarians & whistleblowers as traitors in the eyes of the sheeple. Set precedent for actual charges for what is essentially Freedom of Speech.

Ed is not a psy-op. If he was, it's having the opposite effect of what you conclude the psy-op is for.

How does an NSA asset slip the country to Moscow, Russia?
Notice they made a point to say he was a 'Ron Paul' supporter. What a traitor, ya know?
Makes Russia look more sympathetic to liberty than the US.

Simple, he left for medical treatment; he knows how NSA operates.

What kind of "lawman" are you? What police force, police agency did you work for?

How good at Chess are you? How many moves ahead can you see?

All LAWyers learn early that it's crucial to read ALL the text.
LAWyer, hence Lawmanjed. But don't worry about that...

Did you keep reading my last post?
Because the next line says...

"Though Snowden was likely (imho) a NSA/CIA asset, and the whole story was a psy-op, it clearly back-fired on TPTB.
But, if Snowden is not an asset and he is for real, then what he did was right, and the Russians are just being smart and playing to their advantage."

I'm not saying I don't trust the things Snowden has said, or that he is lying. I'm saying I think the situation is set-up, by the NWO/Commie infiltrators in our gov't, working with Putin and the 'KGB'.

How good a Chess player are you? How many moves ahead can you see?

Now think about the MSM. They have had ample opportunity to blow up, and make known any number of stories about government spying, and whistleblowers. They usually ignored & covered up any story, but not with Snowden. It was on 24hr. news cycle for a week at least. "Media frenzy". Then they used the situation to call patriots and whistleblowers "treasonous".
Maybe Snowden's situation was just an accident for TPTB, maybe it wasn't, but TPTB definitely used/manipulated/manufactured the situation.
It seems to have backfired. It seems to have helped our little freedom movement, and to have woken people up... But has it? Or has it NORMALIZED the situation, to most Americans!?!
Has the spying ceased, since The People found out? No. It's normal now, to most.
The secret police aren't very effective if people don't know they're being spied on, and so are afraid to speak up!
The gov't has followed through on that threat to free speech several times. Did anyone stop it? Was the MSM there to cover those abuses? No.
Plus, the Snowden story endears the Russian gov't and Putin to some "liberty-movement" folks. Not good.

IMHO, their goal is to just bring down the USA, asap, by hell or high water. Tear US apart. Obama is clearly working for the NWO. So is Putin. It makes perfect sense.
And the Snowden situation further establishes the myth that the US & Russian gov'ts are adversaries and really aren't all NWO elitists working together at the top.

You can worship heroes and continue to believe in Santa Clause but I'm taking everything with a grain of salt, and things just don't add up.
No, it's not the obvious move. That's why it's a good move. That's why they won on that one, and continue to openly get away with violating the Constitution.
Disclosure & Normalization.
Plus, undermine all the peoples' trust in the US gov't, while making commie-Russia Putin look good.
Then, in the inevitable revolution/civil war, some patriots will be duped into thinking the Russians are on their side. They're not. They're on Obama's, & vice versa.
It's brilliant, really. A pre-emptive strike.

As for how he got to Moscow...

You said - "he left for medical treatment." ...

...Yeah, right. He left the USA to get medical treatment in Russia?! Why? He'dve had a gov't health plan. Don't be a dupe. He knew what was coming down the pike. I know someone with a "retired" CIA member in the family, and they told me long ago, they are watched, constantly.

"He knows how NSA operates."...

...LOL!! He was a computer geek hired by a contractor, not a field operator or secret agent!

And I'm not saying I don't trust the things Snowden has said, or that he is lying. I'm saying I think the situation is set-up, by the NWO/Commie infiltrators in our gov't, working with Putin and the 'KGB'.
It may seemingly help our little freedom movement, and wake people up... But has it? Or has it NORMALIZED the situation, to most Americans!?! The secret police aren't very effective if people don't know they're being spied on, and are afraid to speak up.!
Plus, it falsely endears the Russian gov't and Putin to some "liberty-movement" folks.

False-flag psy-op, written all over it. How good a Chess player are you? How many moves ahead can you see?

Word of advice, READ ALL THE TEXT, it's important...

LAWyers learn that very quickly. Hence, LAWmanjed.

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You're wrong.

All LAWyers learn early that it's crucial to read ALL the text.

If that was what you learned, then you would have read ALL the text about Ed instead of saying a lot of nonsense and posing questions that anybody paying any actual attention to this already know the publicly available answers to.

I am going to quickly explain the answers, but first:

LAWyer, hence Lawmanjed. But don't worry about that...

The term 'Lawman' has always been used to describe somebody who is law enforcement, not a lawyer. Hence why I asked you “What police force, police agency did you work for?”

lawman
ˈlɔːmən/
noun
noun: lawman; plural noun: lawmen
1. (in the US) a law-enforcement officer, especially a sheriff.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=lawman&...

Show me your Law Degree. Put something over your personally identifying information, such as pieces of tape, paper, etc. You could be a lawyer but I don’t believe you are.

As for how he got to Moscow...

You said - "he left for medical treatment." ...

...Yeah, right. He left the USA to get medical treatment in Russia?!

Ed went to Hong Kong first, that is where he said he was going for “medical treatment.” Not Russia, Mr. “All LAWyers learn early that it's crucial to read ALL the text.”

That he went to Hong Kong first, a fact known to anybody paying any actual attention to this since June 2013 at the latest, shows you seemingly have no idea what you’re talking about and didn't "read ALL the text."

He knows how NSA operates."...

...LOL!! He was a computer geek hired by a contractor, not a field operator or secret agent!

He is a brilliantly smart computer genius who worked in the field with CIA overseas prior to his work as a contractor with Booz Allen Hamilton for N.S.A.; at N.S.A. specifically tasked with handling and viewing Top Secret Sensitive Compartmented Information showing how N.S.A. operates daily, then after having gained access to other TS SCI and Secret documentation, that includes some of what’s been released thus far, learned further how N.S.A. operates.

Again, that you seemingly don’t have any idea of that shows you have no idea what you’re talking about.

The rest of your comment doesn’t warrant reply. Show me your Law Degree.

demanding to see law degrees?

How would it benefit lawman to show you his law degree?

Oh that's right, HaHa, Hong Kong first, excuse me, I forgot.!!!

It slipped my mind as I was set on the argument, but the point remains. As for your points, you still haven't in any way refuted what I said.

As for how he got to Moscow...

"You said - "he left for medical treatment." ...

...Yeah, right. He left the USA to get medical treatment in Russia?!

Ed went to Hong Kong first, that is where he said he was going for “medical treatment.” Not Russia, Mr. “All LAWyers learn early that it's crucial to read ALL the text.”

That he went to Hong Kong first, a fact known to anybody paying any actual attention to this since June 2013 at the latest, shows you seemingly have no idea what you’re talking about and didn't "read ALL the text." "

-So he went to Honk Kong for medical treatment?! Just as ludicrous. And just as unnecessary for a healthy young NSA employee to need to go to Honk Kong for a medical treatment, just before he blew the whistleblower thing. REALLY??!!! That stupid?!!!

As for the next obvious point...

"He knows how NSA operates."...

"...LOL!! He was a computer geek hired by a contractor, not a field operator or secret agent!"

He is a brilliantly smart computer genius who worked in the field with CIA overseas prior to his work as a contractor with Booz Allen Hamilton for N.S.A.; at N.S.A. specifically tasked with handling and viewing Top Secret Sensitive Compartmented Information showing how N.S.A. operates daily, then after having gained access to other TS SCI and Secret documentation, that includes some of what’s been released thus far, learned further how N.S.A. operates."

Thanks for giving me more reasons to question Snowden, by reminding me about just exactly who his contacts were before he "went rogue", before he "went all Ron Paul-liberty crazy", and decided to become a "traitor". So he was CIA, NSA, B. Allen Hamilton... Oh yeah, I feel much better now...

You seem to think that I think Snowden is a traitor for being a whistleblower. Nothing is further from the truth. The 1st Amendment gives us FREE SPEECH, and that means FREE Ideas, Free FACTS.

But I see a much larger Chess Board. There is more to this as I have explained above.

Now... As for the name Lawmanjed.... If you would like to see my (Lawmanjed's) law degree, you can PM me on here, or private chat, and give me YOUR email. I will grudgingly make you eat crow. But what will you do? Will you put my private information out there? Maybe later I bother with that waste-of-time non-sense.

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I don't see how

it can benefit you to produce your JD. It's not as if producing such credentials will make you right and him wrong. And by not producing your credentials it doesn't make him right and you wrong.

Let the ideas stand for themselves. Credentials or not.

I guess some Obama/Putin fans didn't like my post

Down-votes?!

Must be the "low-info voters"...

Try reading the entire post before you up/down-vote.

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Putin

Represents the ole KGB/oligarch class imo. In a normal country they would be brought up on charges for their previous crimes against the people under the old regime. Getting to be President is an affront to justice imo.

Then again prison guards from that period and those couuntries get double the pension than those who were jailed and worse under those communist regimes.

Until there is full prosecution and exposure and loss of benefits of former communist party officials and members there is no credibility imo.

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