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We are in a de facto Civil War in this country and we don't realize it.

We are in a de facto Civil War in this country. It is we, the people pitted against a single party, socialist government entity that is more concerned with supplying themselves with billions of rounds of ammunition while, at the same time, decreasing our civil liberties and rights and increasing our taxes rather than scaling back the prison industrial complex nationally and the military industrial complex globally that will soon be utilized locally.

This socialist regime places a far greater premium on dividing and discrediting American citizens and turning us all against one another through socio-economic strata, race, and religion bating than putting together a common goal that we can all cling to and fight for, something called the American dream.

There is no more American dream. There is no more middle class. There is only greed and a, "give me what I can get or I'll take it" attitude.

We have forgotten that charge so long ago asked of us;

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."


The politicains, nearly ALL of them, have been bought off!

It wasn't this way in 1860. At least the politicians had a belief of what their country should be. And the people believed, too. No matter which side they stood on, they believed in their cause. Today, the politicians sell out to the highest bidder and the highest bidder is RARELY the American people!

Very few Americans have the cojones to go out and make a stand aganst tyranny, whether it be peaceful or violent, as the Founding Fathers did. We just sit around and blame the false left-right paradigm and play right into the single party system waiting for some pie in the sky dream to materialize and save us. I've got news for you, America. No one is coming. No one is coming to save the day. Either we, the people will save ourselves or we, the people will be enslaved forever.

The "enemy" spies on us. The "enemy" supplies itself with ammo and armor and food and water. The "enemy" degrades us in the air and on the road.

The "enemy" knows FULL well that they are in a battle for this country.

Its about time that we, the people realized it, as well!

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You missed the point entirely then, and certainly are not

a student of the original. My comment was very much in line with his style. The down votes here prove it. Mr. Adams did not say things to people to be agreeable or to tell them things they already believed. He was brash, obnoxious, and he CHALLENGED his listeners (or those within earshot - willing and unwilling) to think differently so that they might see more clearly, and then take the only action that will produce the desired result.

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Hey, Sam Adams, get over it.

Patrick Henry, get over it.

George Washington, get over it.

Your argument is a pathetic attempt to ask Americans to aquiesce.

They won't. I won't. You may, that is your choice.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Quite the opposite.

Did it make you angry?


More resolved?

Did it clear your mind or make you think?

I NEVER said what I will or won't do.

I merely threw cold water on your slumbering head and told you to wake TFU.

Frankly, they have

Frankly, they have acquiesced, nearly 150 years ago, and ever since, when they consented to the direct rule of congress via the 14th Amendment federal citizenship. The presumption of federal citizenship of all Americans, and their tacit acceptance of it, have permitted TPTB to enact their Marxist dream of effectively eliminating the national boundries of the States and abdicating their rightful national state governments under their Common Law. By consenting to the private law jurisdiction of 14th Amendment Federal citizenship, they have accepted the status of subject under Congress outside the jurisdiction of the Constitution. Where they no longer have Natural Rights, but are given privileges called Civil Rights and benefits that they pay for with their lives and their property.

They do not know what the problem is because they do not know the law and that it is they who are the problem. Like Dorothy, thay have always possessed the ability to get back home at any time they wished. They are just too comfortable receiving the benefits their masters bestow upon them, or to busy paying for them to see the cage they're in and the evil they consent to and support with their participation.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Political consistently

If the writer is so naive as to believe that the politicians in Washington in 1860 were less likely to be for sale I suggest he look into the Pacific Railroad Acts of 1862 and 1864. Every politician in D.C. was for sale, then, before and since.

It is very dangerous for voters to accept politicians with causes. They do the most damage to liberty and prosperity.

Lincoln had a cause - force the South back into the Union which led to Lincoln maneuvering the South to fire on Fort Sumter giving him an excuse to have 750,000 soldiers and civilians murdered.

Teddy Roosevelt had a cause - an American empire which began with the murder of 250,000 Filipinos and gave us the beginnings of the military-industrial-banking-complex.

Wilson had a cause -- the League of Nations which cost 100,000 lives in WWI. A war which he thought would create a demand with the American people for a world government.

FDR had a cause -- the New Deal which ultimately led to FDR manipulating the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor giving us WWII.

LBJ had a cause -- the Great Society which led to Obamacare. He also wanted to be the president who stopped Communism in Asia which led to the manufacture of the Tonkin gulf incident and 58,000 dead Americans.

Be careful in wishing for politicians with a cause, you might get what you wish for with unintended consequences.

You don't have to do anything for your country except to be a self sustaining productive citizen who isn't looking for a handout.

It only takes one to KEEP AMERICANS FREE. Know your duties & rights as a juror. Stop the unconstitutional conviction of innocents in federal custody. The Fully Informed Jury CALL 1-800-TEL-JURY www.fija.org IMMEDIATELY if not sooner. It's that important.

Thanks for historical truth . . .

because its 'the truth that will set us free'. Unfortunately people are too often in love with the fairy tales that they have been indoctrinated with since they were children.
There were those men including Thomas Jefferson & James Madison who had a vision for America as a nation made up of free men governing themselves. There were men such as Thomas Paine who wrote about the principles of Liberty. At the same time, there were those in America who wanted to establish the kind of system that was in England at the time. They just wanted to be the new 'royalty' in the new nation. They wanted to establish a partnership between insider favored businessmen and those in a new centralized national government - to the detriment of everyone else. Alexander Hamilton was one of these individuals.

This has been going on for a long time.

Those founders who wanted a new government truly based on Liberty warned of the need to be constantly vigilant and protective of indivual rights to an extent not seen previously. (But always remember that no mortal men are perfect. We must pay attention to what is done in our name.)

Thomas Jefferson warned during the American Revolution:

"From the conclusion of the war we shall be going down hill. It will not be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves, but in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. "

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I noticed you skipped over JFK.

He had a cause, too. Scatter the CIA to the winds.

This is the country I was born into. Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex. This was the country I was born into.

The country that I die in, you intellectual midget, will be the country that Ron Paul exposed for us. The country that the internet exposed for us. The country that I die in will be one where the people awoke. It will be a country that wasn't hidden by Lincoln or Roosevelt or Wilson or their handlers.

The country that I die in will be far different than the one you protect.

You can split hairs about the Congress of 1860 with me if you like but the American people of that time, no matter how misguided or misinformed, still had a dream they fought for.

The American dream that I fight for, the American dream that I will die for will be one completely exposed...the good, the bad, the ugly.

You should throw off the lies of the past and wake up to the uncovered truth of today. This is the fight I will fight and the fight that I, if need be, will die for.

All of your platitudes mean nothing in the fight we wage today. You speak as if there is no battle.

You are worthless and weak to the cause of true Americans fighting to regain our country. You will be judged, as such.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

This deserves more than an 'upvote'.

Thank you.


Wringing your hands, signing a petition, voting, or debating on the merits of civil disobedience all have about the same effect: Nada.

Stop using their money, then you'll have a little freedom to start with.


"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

~Samuel Adams

Agreed, but entirely not practical at this time.

Sure, do it where you can, but you can NOT avoid using FRNs entirely.

It just is not possible. Unless of course, you hole up in the mountains or the woods and live off the land raw style.

But why should I lower my standard of living for those jackholes?

For your children?

For future generations?

There are a *ell of a lot of good reasons to lower your standard of living. To not do so, is simply an excuse, and not a good one.

Your time here is short. When you come to the end of it, do you want to say to yourself "I left future generations in a deeper hole for the sake of maintaining my standard of living"?

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Because its all about "me" farmer.

Not many have the intestinal fortitude to sacrifice the luxuries they enjoy today for the freedom of their children tomorrow.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

No greater statement can be made.

I am also on this track. I am willing to sacrifice everything including my life to protect the "brood". I no longer can afford self interest. Thank you.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

It was this way in 1860

The government has had the power to do as it pleases from day one.

Yes, we were "more secure" in our Liberty under the Articles.

The Constitution gave us something we didn't have - a national legislature.

I can't fathom why the Framers, who were quite well versed in the idea that power is delegated from the People, came up with the idea of legislative or executive power. After all, you have no right to make laws for me, nor I for you, so how and where did we get that power to delegate to a legislature? Or the power to enforce those laws we don't have the power to pass?

This is exactly where Americans have failed miserably

at understanding our laws. The legislature has the power to regulate itself and commercial entities that contract for limited liability with the State or Federal Government. No where in our laws is the legislature authorized to regulate the People hence Statutory code has no lawful application to the people except through the individual's own consent.

If people understood this fact clearly then we could defend our freedom and uphold our laws through consciously setting precedent and remind congress and the courts that they do not have the lawful authority to regulate the People through legislative acts. This is the prime failure of Americans.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

yes and a few points

1. the framers were made up of at least two opposing groups. the body of the federal constitution and the bill of rights express the opposing ideologies of Hamilton and Jefferson. They were NOT in accord.
2. The legislature is not exercising delegated power when it writes statutes that micromanage our private affairs (those that don't pose a threat to or harm another.) The legislature is exercising brute force.
---government is a militant entity that occupies society in order to control and extract maximum wealth.
---governmental power is the power to harm with legal impunity.-this is not a delegated power as no individual possesses such authority.
---government is NOT a benevolent management company that handles our mutually owned resources. (as it is often characterized.)

I would love to hear what you think about this/these topics.
Thanks for the reply.

OK Colonel

It has been realized ... What do we do about it?
Vote, Protest, Petition?

Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the District of Colombia and out state capitols all the way down to the blessed school boards.

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

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Ask the people of Boston what they did?

You have two different choices.

Do what the people of Boston did in 1776 or what the people of Boston did in 2013.

You, in your own towns, will soon have a choice, too.

I'm only informing you of something you already know.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

The people of Boston in 2013

The people of Boston in 2013 broke my heart. I am ashamed to call them my countrymen.

The "people of Boston" are

The "people of Boston" are not my countrymen because they are not Massachusetts Nationals a.k.a. Massachusittsans.

Nationalities, etc.

5.22. The table on Demonyms in Chapter 17 ``Useful Tables'' shows forms to be used for nouns and adjectives denoting nationality.

5.23. In designating the natives of the States, the following forms will be used.

Alabamian Louisianian Ohioan Alaskan Mainer Oklahoman Arizonan Marylander Oregonian Arkansan Massachusettsan Pennsylvanian Californian Michiganian Rhode Islander Coloradan Minnesotan South Carolinian Connecticuter Mississippian South Dakotan Delawarean Missourian Tennessean Floridian Montanan Texan Georgian Nebraskan Utahn Hawaiian Nevadan Vermonter Idahoan New Hampshirite Virginian Illinoisan New Jerseyan Washingtonian Indianian New Mexican West Virginian Iowan New Yorker Wisconsinite Kansan North Carolinian Wyomingite Kentuckian North Dakotan

~ US Style Manual: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-STYLEMANUAL-2008/html/GPO-S...

They are all U.S. Nationals, a.k.a. US citizens. There's a big 14th Amendment difference!

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

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What the people of Boston did do...

Was to expose the tyranny that confronts us.

They were blindsided. It isn't all their fault. They didn't see it coming. Now, we see it coming...thanks to Boston.

I always see the cup as half full.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Excellent find!


Thanks. Sh*t's hidden

Thanks. Sh*t's hidden everywhere.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Yup, but speaking for myself: I NEVER had a doubt in my mind,

that we have ALREADY, long been, at a state of "Cold Civil War" in this, what was once a great America:

Occupied Amerika News E001: Ft Hood Soldiers Told That Christians, Tea Partiers a Radical Terror Threat!
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Thu, 10/24/2013 - 10:04

Step 1: Stop the Denial. We're Militarily INFILTRATED & OCCUPIED! We're currently witnessing nothing short of a Cold 'Civil War' in America, between those who are awake, and those who aren't, and those who are complicit, and delusionally consider themselves to be 'part of the Club.'

While You were Sleeping: Obama just RE-Declared Martial Law, AGAIN, on May 7, 2013
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Tue, 05/07/2013 - 22:59

Yes America, You've Always lived in Not a De Facto, but a De Jure Police State, since 1933 National Emergencies Act was signed by FDR, and every single year since, when it has been renewed annually by every single subsequent Presidents.

Obama, simply following honoring FDR's Martial Law 'Tradition,' today:

Obama Continues America's NEVER Ending State Of Emergency! This Time Because Of SYRIA!


Published on May 7, 2013
May 07, 2013 C-SPAN


Consider all of this as a respiratory pause, nothing more.

Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Thu, 03/07/2013 - 17:59. Permalink

In truth, technically speaking, we've been hijacked in 1913 by NWO banksters, but 'legally' we've been officially a Police State since FDR signed the War Powers Act/National Emergencies Act in 1933, and EVERY SINGLE POTUS since have annually renewed it.

Yup, not much talked about, but not metaphorically, but LITERALLY we've always lived in an official police state/martial law, since 1933. No really, really:

On November 19, 1973, the Special Committee on the Termination of the National Emergency presented Senate Report 93-549 at the first session of the 93rd Congress. The Introduction to the report, an examination of existing War and Emergency Powers Acts, states:

“Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. In fact, there are now in effect four presidentially-proclaimed states of national emergency: In addition to the national emergency declared by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933, there are also the national emergency proclaimed by President Harry S. Truman on December 16, 1950, during the Korean conflict, and the states of national emergency declared by President Richard M. Nixon on March 23, 1970, and August 15, 1971.”[1]

“These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes.”[2]

“Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens.”[3]

“With the melting of the cold war–the developing detente with the Soviet Union and China, the stable truce of over 20 years duration between North and South Korea, and the end of U.S. involvement in the war in Indochina-there is no present need for the United States Government to continue to function under emergency conditions.”

FDR’s Emergency Act has NEVER been rescinded; recently, as predicted, and practiced by every POTUS since FDR, Barack Hussein oBUSHma just renewed it:

State of National Emergency in effect since November 1979

The United States has been in a state of national emergency continuously for over 30 years, since the Carter administration invoked it premised on the “situation in Iran”. In November 2012, President Barack Obama informed Congress that the State of National Emergency in effect since November 14, 1979 will be extended another year.[1] The National Emergencies Act grants various powers to the president during times of emergency,[2] and was intended to prevent a president from declaring a state of emergency of indefinite duration.[3]

To me, yesterday and today were just another act in the theater of the absurd.

Currency collapse is coming, all the while the biggest explosion in technology boom is coinciding with that mess. Graphene/carbon nanotubes, 3D printing, anyone?

Where will all this lead??

How will we all come out? Who knows?

We're in the midst of an epic, epic history in the making.

But I know one thing: develop your own parallel systems of 'thrival' (thrive+survival) because the Ruling Class already has.

IMHO, there's no 'fixing' anything. Stock up, but leave a bit of room for beauty and creativity will ya? lol.

and, to many here:

Our Cold Civil War
Submitted by 2cynical on Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:37


Infographic: Are The Feds Preparing For Civil War?
Submitted by emalvini on Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:41

U.S. Military Officers Are Told To Plan To Fight Americans: The Civil War Of 2016
Submitted by emalvini on Mon, 08/13/2012 - 10:33

Civil War - Fail~!!
Submitted by legalizeliberty on Fri, 08/28/2009 - 16:18

There is such a thing known as "psy-ops" by the way.
Submitted by SeptimalKeys on Fri, 08/03/2012 - 11:55. Permalink

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Right on man

That is why it is important to get behind the conservative populist energy that is taking on the oligarchy. Pull in the Dennis Kucinich liberal populists too. We need to draw the battle lines clearly.

"The revolution for virtue and common sense is on. It started in 2013. It is a non-violent popular uprising to beat back the oligarchy that currently controls the United States of America. The battle lines are drawn.

Remember that time when you were a kid and your friends were doing something mean, or about to break the law, or maybe just being stupid. For some reason, this time you had the courage not to go along. They ridiculed you, rejected you, and made you feel unsure of yourself. But when you went to bed that night, you felt at ease with yourself and with God.

We are a coalition of Americans that have come together because we have the same goal and the same enemy. We wish to unseat the ruling class that controls the United States. When we have accomplished that task, we will be in a position to rebuild the American community around its founding ideals.

Main Street citizens are reclaiming the Republican Party from the Big Business oligarchs. We are asking Liberal Populists to leave the party of Marx and join us. These are exciting times."

We need some modern day common sense pamphlets.

Three topics of information possibly that everyone could come together on.
Economy, War, & The Bill of Rights

kind people rock



no doubt,

I was thinking Liberty be the theme from these topics. Thanks Dan T Man!!

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