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You won't believe what the LA Times is saying libertarians want!

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The BS detector is ringing off the wall.

"Libertarians have joined environmental groups in lobbying to allow government to use the little boxes to keep track of the miles you drive, and possibly where you drive them — then use the information to draw up a tax bill."

Who, exactly, are these 'libertarians' of which they speak?

You know what it looks like?

It looks like it was a mistake in editing and was actually meant to say "Liberals" rather than "Libertarians". It would be right on track if this is the case, Liberals would absolutely back something like this.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

exactly what i was thinking

exactly what i was thinking

emailed this asshole

emailed this asshole

Saw this on the drudgereport.

I thought the same thing.

These folks trying to

These folks trying to redefine libertarianism?? Its such a ridiculous thing to write, its hard to know how to respond. Outrage, laughter, incredulous, pity for the stupidity?

The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. - Heinlein

"redefine" it is, what they


it is, what they do.....it is a "play book" maneuver, one of many offenses against truth

Thats what im thinking.

Thats what im thinking.

Socialists changed the meaning of liberal 70 years ago, they're attacking us again with the word libertarianism.


Libertarians have joined environmental groups in lobbying to allow government to use the little boxes to keep track of the miles you drive, and possibly where you drive them — then use the information to draw up a tax bill.

Pure propaganda

Because one beltway Libertarian says it, it must be so.

On a side note, do y'all remember like eight years ago when Alex Jones would talk about black box trackers in cars, taxing drivers by the mile, and people would call in his show and call him a lying, crazy conspiracy theorist? Ummm, yeah.


Where did they get the claim that libertarians are backing this?

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

Some chump from Reason


"This is not just a tax going into a black hole," said Adrian Moore, vice president of policy at Reason. "People are paying more directly into what they are getting."

How does that

idiot figure collecting the tax differently means it won't go into a black hole?

Good question

Here's Dr. Moore's email address:


Adrian Moore, Ph.D., is vice president of policy at Reason Foundation, a non-profit think tank advancing free minds and free markets. Moore leads Reason's policy implementation efforts and conducts his own research on topics such as privatization, government and regulatory reform, air quality, transportation and urban growth, prisons and utilities.

Moore, who has testified before Congress on several occasions, regularly advises federal, state and local officials on ways to streamline government and reduce costs.

In 2008 and 2009, Moore served on Congress' National Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing Commission. The commission offered "specific recommendations for increasing investment in transportation infrastructure while at the same time moving the Federal Government away from reliance on motor fuel taxes toward more direct fees charged to transportation infrastructure users." Since 2009 he has served on California's Public Infrastructure Advisory Commission.

Mr. Moore is co-author of the book Mobility First: A New Vision for Transportation in a Globally Competitive 21st Century (Rowman & Littlefield, 2008). Texas Gov. Rick Perry said, "Speaking from our experiences in Texas, Sam Staley and Adrian Moore get it right in Mobility First." World Bank urban planner Alain Bartaud called it "a must read for urban managers of large cities in the United States and around the world."

Moore is also co-author of Curb Rights: A Foundation for Free Enterprise in Urban Transit, published in 1997 by the Brookings Institution Press, as well as dozens of policy studies. His work has been published in the Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, Boston Globe, Houston Chronicle, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Orange County Register, as well as in, Public Policy and Management, Transportation Research Part A, Urban Affairs Review, Economic Affairs, and numerous other publications.

In 2002, Moore was awarded a World Outsourcing Achievement Award by PricewaterhouseCoopers and Michael F. Corbett & Associates Ltd. for his work showing governments how to use public-private partnerships and the private sector to save taxpayer money and improve the efficiency of their agencies.

Prior to joining Reason, Moore served 10 years in the Army on active duty and reserves. As an noncommissioned officer he was accepted to Officers Candidate School and commissioned as an Infantry officer. He served in posts in the United States and Germany and left the military as a Captain after commanding a Heavy Material Supply company.

Mr. Moore earned a Ph.D. in Economics from the University of California, Irvine. He holds a Master's in Economics from the University of California, Irvine and a Master's in History from California State University, Chico.

- See more at: http://reason.org/staff/show/adrian-moore.html#sthash.UIZnMV...


This system is so screwed up. It's time for a serious reset.

Check this out: The article says the Highway Trust Fund, financed with taxes Americans pay at the gas pump, is broke. Americans don't buy as much gas as they used to.

Well, duh, the shrinking economy sees to that, but that's not the kicker. Somebody got the bright idea to put tracking boxes in all cars so people can pay taxes by the mile (and be tracked easier of course), so the U.S. Senate approved a $90-million pilot project last year.

So... since the country's highway trust fund is broke (yet we still have crumbling roads), the government decided to SPEND almost 1 BILLION dollars to TEST a program to track everyone for a easier way to tax them. I don't know whether to laugh hysterically or cry.

I Agree With What You Say

But just a small correction: $90 million is not almost a $1 billion.

"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard


You're right. I just saw that number and put it together with how wasteful government spending usually is. Still 90 million dollars isn't chump change. I remember when only ONE million was a huge deal!

It would be a log less broke

It would be a lot less broke if they only used it for highways.

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"Obama’s Economists: ‘Stimulus’ Has Cost $278,000 per Job."

That means: For each job "created or saved" about five were destroyed.

You pay about $10 a week in gas tax for highway maintenance.

That's about $500/Year from each car on the road.

The United States federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel. On average, as of January 2013, state and local taxes add 30.4 cents to gasoline and 30.0 cents to diesel, for a total US average fuel tax of 49.5 cents per gallon for gas and 54.8 cents per gallon for diesel.


I'm on my phone, but if

I'm on my phone, but if anybody wants to post the author and editors contact information, please do so. What a blatant lie.

"Libertarians" like the Koch Brothers. Sure.


LA times and progressers just

LA times and progressers just make siht up as they go along.