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Occupied Amerika News Ep.3: PoliceState-Actual; Wanna see what ILLEGALLY "Brandishing a FireArm" looks like? Look @ This AP Pix

Don't care if you are donning a Halloween costume; you do this to anyone who knows anything about firearms, you're not gonna have a very good day:


A California Highway Patrol officer and another emergency responder stop a vehicle at a checkpoint near the neighborhood where a federal immigration officer was shot and three local police officers were wounded during a violent confrontation with a suspect in the Sacramento suburb of Roseville on Friday, Oct. 25, 2013. (AP Photo/The Sacramento Bee, Randall Benton)

** Oh, boo boo: so, one of 'your own' got hurt, so ya gotta nuke the entire world to save your petty childish insecure egos and hurt feelings? Crazy, sociopathic fascist maggot imbeciles!

That is just an innocent driver pulling up to an illegal UnConstitutional checkpoint, and having that 'operator'-wannabe with an AR pointing its (sic) muzzle at the driver's head! Literally, ANYONE and EVERYONE pulling up to that checkpoint would have a bullet literally pointed at their heads, for merely driving through the wrong location at the wrong time, even if they live in the vicinity! I mean seriously: how F'ng braindead ARE Californians?? NO. Really??

What that POS a-hole govt terrorist is doing, is an ILLEGAL act, a felony, in ALL 50 states! The moron fascist Nazi lunatic in that photo MUST be arrested, period! The victim driver in the photo MUST pursue a criminal legal action, if this will ever be stopped in Commufornia, once and for all, not to mention, in rest of the states!

Observe, 'unless you're a member of the corporatist InfraGard or govt, you're all guilty until proven innocent and worth spit!'-peon training in action:

California Cops Impose Police State Following Shooting

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
October 27, 2013

If a cop or some other official of the government gets shot in your neighborhood, expect the imposition of a police state and the termination of the Bill of Rights. That’s what happened in Roseville, California, on Friday night following a shootout between a parolee and law enforcement.

Because an officer was shot in the jaw, a fed immigration agent was shot in the leg, and other cops were lightly injured residents of the neighborhood were not allowed to return to their homes for more than 24 hours. They had to endure checkpoints and orders to evacuate their homes.

An AP article on the incident concentrates on the danger posed by the man wanted for parole violation and says nothing about the danger of cops engaged in a vendetta. Cops routinely shoot and kill people when they perceive a threat, even kids with toy guns and small dogs, and they are especially violent when one of their own is killed or wounded.

H/T: Will Grigg

Original Article:

Suspect in Northern Calif. standoff surrenders

DON THOMPSON and TRACIE CONE - Associated Press (AP)
Posted October 26, 2013 at 6:02 a.m., updated October 26, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.

ROSEVILLE, Calif. (AP) — Some residents of a suburban Sacramento city still were waiting to return to their homes 24 hours after a Friday night shootout between law enforcement agents and a wanted parolee left six officers injured.

Roseville police spokesman Lt. Cal Walstad said that one Roseville police officer with a jaw wound and a federal immigration agent shot in the leg remain hospitalized Saturday in serious condition. Four other Roseville officers injured by shrapnel were treated and released.

The suspect in the violent confrontation that ended after an hours-long standoff is a validated gang member with a criminal record that includes assault and carjacking. Samuel Nathan Duran, 32, was taken to the Placer County jail Saturday after being treated for scrapes and cuts after surrendering just after midnight.

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UPDATE 1: Like all things govt terrorists do, if nothing, they're predictable, and have a particular modus operandi; if it's tried in one place, it'll be repeated in another.

Remember this from 2012, in Aurora, CO Wells Fargo bank robbery?

PoliceState: Cops arrest 40 INNOCENT Bystanders & Witnesses after an Armed Bank Robbery THEY failed to prevent!

Judge: Aurora Police Justified in Stopping 25 cars at Gunpoint in Search for Bank Robber (VIDEO)

To Aurora, CO pansies, you're ALL bankrobbers, until they get their daily 'I got to shove a shotgun and AR15 muzzle vs. a peon today! yay!'-daily fix, until they decide that you're not a bankrobber, even though you NEVER did anything wrong:

Police stop 19 cars, handcuff citizens

http://youtu.be/P4cCJlCPzaQ
CNN
Published on Sep 21, 2012

Police stop 19 cars and handcuff citizens in an effort to find a bank robbery suspect. CNN's Ted Rowlands reports.

Tonight on AC360: Did police go too far?
September 21st, 2012 | 06:24 PM ET

When an armed bank robber struck a Wells Fargo branch in Aurora, Colorado, police took extraordinary and controversial steps to find the suspect.

They pulled over 19 cars at an intersection and ordered everyone out of them at gunpoint, even children.

"I had my hands up, they had rifles and guns and everything pointed at me with shields and a canine dog," 16-year-old Michael Hance told CNN's Ted Rowlands about the June incident.

Nearly everyone was then handcuffed and treated as an armed and dangerous suspect.

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Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber

By Erin McLaughlin
@erinoherin
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Jun 4, 2012 8:20pm

Breaking News

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Police in Aurora, Colo., searching for suspected bank robbers stopped every car at an intersection, handcuffed all the adults and searched the cars, one of which they believed was carrying the suspect.

Police said they had received what they called a “reliable” tip that the culprit in an armed robbery at a Wells Fargo bank committed earlier was stopped at the red light.

“We didn’t have a description, didn’t know race or gender or anything, so a split-second decision was made to stop all the cars at that intersection, and search for the armed robber,” Aurora police Officer Frank Fania told ABC News.

Officers barricaded the area, halting 19 cars.

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Denver Police Detained, Handcuffed Forty Innocent Bystanders

http://youtu.be/z_WxDp4Y8ZA
TheAlexJonesChannel
Published on Jun 6, 2012

Police detained and handcuffed forty innocent bystanders after a bank robbery in Aurora, Colorado, on June 4. Nearly two dozen cars were stopped near a Wells Fargo Bank and the occupants held without probable cause as police searched for a suspect.

Police Chief Daniel Oates demonstrated his ignorance of the Fourth Amendment when he told CBS in Denver "the ends justify the means" after the illegal round-up snared a suspect. He described the mass detainment and handcuffing as lawful and necessary.

"The law is clear that investigative detentions are lawful for a reasonable period of time," Oates said. "Reasonableness is determined by the facts and circumstances at issue, and the facts and circumstances were the suspect was in one of 19 cars."

Oates then apologized to the innocent bystanders who were terrorized.

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Suspect Arrested After Aurora Wells Fargo Robbed

http://youtu.be/11XrzSYYpPo
7NEWS and TheDenverChannel.com
Published on Jun 3, 2012

6/2 10pm - Aurora police chased down several bank robbers Saturday afternoon.

Police Chief: "ends justify the means"

http://youtu.be/nPcJFz-SU4w
jackspratism
Published on Jun 6, 2012

2012-06-04 Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber in Aurora,Colorado.

Police Chief defends tactics, claims "end justifies the means."

Some people think otherwise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1VWbPYkXy8

Colorado Police Illegally Detain 40 Innocent Bystanders Searching for Robber

http://youtu.be/gqTj4VpA6u0
TheLeakSource
Published on Jun 7, 2012

06/03-04/2012

AURORA, Colo. -- Nearly two dozen cars were detained at the intersection of Iliff Avenue and Buckley Road Saturday afternoon as police—with guns drawn—searched each vehicle for a man who had just robbed the Wells Fargo bank at 15301 E. Hampden Ave.

According to witnesses, the adult occupants of the vehicles were handcuffed and led away from their cars after reports the suspect might have taken hostages.

More: http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/colorado-police-i...

Bank Robbery: Police nab ‘person of interest’ after massive traffic stop
Posted on: 5:05 pm, June 2, 2012, by Web Staff, updated on: 03:26pm, June 3, 2012


AURORA, Colo. – Nearly two dozen cars were detained at the intersection of Iliff Avenue and Buckley Road Saturday afternoon as police—with guns drawn—searched each vehicle for a man who had just robbed the Wells Fargo bank at 15301 E. Hampden Ave.

According to witnesses, the adult occupants of the vehicles were handcuffed and led away from their cars after reports the suspect might have taken hostages.

“Cops came from every direction and just literally threw their cars in front of my car. They pinned them off there, they pinned them off in the parking lot, they pinned off here so literally nobody could go anywhere,” said Sonya Romero, who was detained. “We had to throw our hands in the air.”

Colorado Police Illegally Detain 40 Innocent Bystanders Searching for Robber SHOCKING!

http://youtu.be/oERLpeLAtKY
John Smith
Published on Oct 13, 2012

Police in Aurora, Colorado stopped every car and handcuffed every adult at an intersection in order to find a bank robbery suspect. Police Chief Daniel Oates said, "The law is clear that investigative detentions are lawful for a reasonable period of time." Judge Napolitano disagrees, saying, "You can only be stopped if the police can articulate, can state, some suspicion about you and that can only be for a brief period of time."

In this specific incident, the judge says these were not stops by police but were arrests.

Napolitano concluded, "We fought wars against governments who arrested groups of people until they got their person. We don't do that in America."

Stop Police Brutality


The Future they want for ALL of us!

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UPDATE 2: Picture, from the other side of that Mustang + DHS retard shoots himself, continuing the proud tradition of Govt terrorist morons shooting themselves, literally, in the foot (H/T: Resistance_2009)

Roseville manhunt, standoff ends after 9 hours

Witnesses said it appeared the ICE agent's leg wound was accidentally self-inflicted, but that was not confirmed by authorities. The agent was listed in fair condition at Sutter Roseville Hospital with non-life threatening injuries.


DHS Agent reportedly shot himself, launching military siege as DHS feds assisted local police in finding parole violators

You mean, kinda like this?

Cop Shoots himself in the leg

http://youtu.be/am-Qdx6vky0
Dez E.
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This has to be the dumbest thing I have evr seen a cop do. That is saying a lot (thanks chocogirl105).

For those who may think it is not real

snopes.com/photos/accident/gunsafety.asp
freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127427/po­sts
cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=682921n
clickorlando.com/news/4299670/detail.htm­l

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UPDATE 2: Picture, from the other side of that Mustang + DHS retard shoots himself, continuing the proud tradition of Govt terrorist morons shooting themselves, literally, in the foot (H/T: Resistance_2009)

Roseville manhunt, standoff ends after 9 hours

Witnesses said it appeared the ICE agent's leg wound was accidentally self-inflicted, but that was not confirmed by authorities. The agent was listed in fair condition at Sutter Roseville Hospital with non-life threatening injuries.


DHS Agent reportedly shot himself, launching military siege as DHS feds assisted local police in finding parole violators

You mean, kinda like this?

Cop Shoots himself in the leg

http://youtu.be/am-Qdx6vky0
Dez E.
1,981,743
Like 3,378 Dislike 183
Uploaded on Apr 14, 2006

This has to be the dumbest thing I have evr seen a cop do. That is saying a lot (thanks chocogirl105).

For those who may think it is not real

snopes.com/photos/accident/gunsafety.asp
freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127427/po­sts
cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=682921n
clickorlando.com/news/4299670/detail.htm­l

RELATED: State-Actor Thugs' Horrible Track-Record of Deadly, LACK of Trigger Discipline, aka. "Shooting Themselves," and Others, 'accidentally'

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I saw a post by a police officer pointing out all that was wrong

He was referring to the pic at the top of the page. Besides possibly illegal brandishing a firearm, he noted how foolish it was to be standing there in that position. The guy in the car could have easily grabbed the muzzle of the rifle, and the officer on the other side of the car was in the line of fire. It looks like the police were in a position to get themselves hurt as well as innocent bystanders. I wonder who thought this was a good idea.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

"I wonder who thought this was a good idea."

IMHO: it was a complete amateur hour, plus 'peon-training'-impulse plus tyrannical hubris.

apparently, DHS were also called out in their MRAPs, and claimed jurisdiction because 'one of their own' got injured:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/25/us/california-officers-shot/
http://www.news10.net/news/article/261851/2/Background-on-Sa...
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_worl...

don't know if all this is a case of over-pussification, or over-militarization, because frankly, they respond in the same manner, regardless:

- Years ago, a cop with no body armor, no carbine (if lucky, a Rem870 within reach) and just a service revolver plus just one or two reload-cylinders, would run right into the 'danger zone.'

- Now, even with all their body armors, shields, armored vehicles with turrets and shooting ports and .50cal 'safe' windshields, other fortifications, and overwhelming firepower-toys, they're still acting like a bunch of pussies who are waiting it all out; instead, they'd rather "play cop" with innocent bystanders merely driving back home, than "BE cops" who would actually go after the gangbanger scumbag, with gusto.

It's a weird thing with power; if one is in a mode to currently exercise it, it's like they need to immediately exercise it, for fear that it may dissipate.

It's AS IF, they need to find a subject (any subject would do, unarmed the merrier) 'to exercise that impulse-to-dominate, away, before it's all gone,' for the entire day.

Suppose, for anyone who's ever gone hunting, such impulse is not hard to fathom.

And, make no mistake: these ARE human hunters.

Like any hunt, you miss your game, you feel the urge to not go home empty handed; perhaps you were aiming for a bull, but now you'll settle for a calf, even if it's 'illegal,' off season, etc.

In their case, it's almost like their urge to have their hunt-bloodlust fulfilled, consumes them, and must be fulfilled, somehow, before the day's over.

If I had to guess the psychological process involved in the 'show' of force against the unarmed citizens, aka, 'easi-ER prey,' it would be just that: as if they have a need to dissipate the domineering impulse, before it escapes them, for the entire day. So even if they don't get their originally intended suspect target, any innocent citizen employer prey, would do, as a substitute to 'settle for.'

But, who knows, for certain? Moi, just guessin' here...

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Yep

Gives a whole new perspective on "serve and protect" doesn't it?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

lol. true that; seeing as how

we live in a such litigious society, wonder if anyone actually sued LAPD and/or any large metro PD's like NYPD, over their "serve and protect"-slogans/motto, as "false advertising."

lol.

Then again, isn't every facet of govt a walking, talking, living false advertising, a murderous one, at that?

Obviously, if anyone actually sued and won, they'd have long stopped using it, out of liability issues alone. But hey, perhaps they claimed that they're in the entertainment biz, too, like what Fox 'News' claimed years ago, when they got sued for lying to get around the reality that they're not 'news' but entertainment, as in sellers of fiction.

Regardless, the sooner this whole BS charade of govt ends, the better all of humanity will be.

On a side note, don't know if most here @ DP have come to the same conclusion that I have awhile back, but for the longest time, I used to characterize govt as being "hijacked" or "infiltrated." But, if one really traces the birth of modern corp as we know it today post-Medicis and the split from Vatican and European aristocratic rule, govts ARE corporations that 'replaced' monarchs, in fact the current Powers that be CREATED govt as a corporation to distance themselves from the appearance of monarchic rule, but are in reality, merely an extension of their mercantilist ruling order.

Hell, nothing's really changed, since the days of Dutch-East India co.

Thus IMO, one cannot "hijack" or "infiltrate" what has always been natively the same thing: Government is not 'like' a corp, it IS a corporation!

Just ask Maywood, California.

The coming, inevitable currency collapse will obviously suck, beyond imagination (to put it mildly), however short or long its duration is before something rises out of its ashes; regardless, truly: this whole govt-corporation insanity cannot end soon enough.

The policestate is literally stopping humans from evolving: living better, being creative, and building a civilization based on individual sovereignty and dignity.

God knows what those in former CommBloc must have felt like; worse, those who lived through it, came to America, and are now having a deja vu double-take, all over again.

yikes!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Ancap? Problem is

They do not have to personally be financially responsible for their actions. The tax payers have to cover it even if they lose. This is what needs to be changed and then from the moment of detainment going forward they will have to decide whether the arrest is worth losing everything they own in case they are wrong. "Innocent until proven guilty"

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

my point exactly:

my point exactly:

They do not have to personally be financially responsible for their actions.

if you saw or read the links cited in that Maywood, CA hyperlink: ALL govts are corporations that depend on the good graces of their insurance company underwriters, to continue to cover them.

Out-ride their 'allowable limit'? The 'govt' is 'forced' to shut down, as their own municipal bond rating falters irrevocably.

But the county govt and their insurance co still remains, as long as their bond's backed up, essentially, via the Fed. Reserve backed tax-lien certificates con, ends.

It's all a sham.

Not sure if Americans can afford to wait around for every municipality to be sued to the point of bankruptcy, on a case by case basis.

Unfortunately, I personally see the rate of entropy accelerating...

Who knows, at this rate? It's all a 'holding pattern.' Or, as Claire Wolfe would say:

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

You go to the DA and ask...

How secure their surety bond is, and things change man.

We really need to abolish Qualified and Absolute immunities.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I think I've seen a few cases

where that worked, but the DA, judge, and idiot juries ignore the rule of law all the time; it's like they apply their own set of '100th Monkey Syndrome': they see 'uppity' citizens actually using common law, the 1st one or two cases here and there, they'll 'deal' with it. But, when it becomes more prevalent, they simply ignore it. And, other govt terrorists in other jurisdictions follow suit, like some toxic 100th monkey.

It's their system. We can cite proper law, Constitution, legalese, even their own judicial case precedents, but if they choose to ignore it, they will ignore it.

bankruptcy and their insurance underwriters booting them off the rolls is a bigger threat to them, as they'd literally would be out of their jobs.

plus, yeah, "Qualified and Absolute immunities" are COMPLETELY UnConstitutional legal fictions that these govt terrorists have literally pulled out of their asses without any lawful precedence in common law: there is no such thing as a "qualified immunity" let alone an "absolute" one, unless you're a monarch of yore and you keep telling yourself that, and others accept it as such.

Don't know, brother: I am aware of the legal doctrine you're discussing here. But, all that was assuming years ago, when I still had some faith in the American judicial system.

Sadly, now, as far as I'm concerned, all that would be akin to me merely pleading with my 'prison warden,' to accept 'my language,' when they're choosing to speak the only one they're willing to recognize, as long as it suits them.

But, who knows?

I literally have ZERO 'faith' in the 'system.'

So, unless character of these men and women suddenly change overnight, and have some genuine conscience-opening catharsis, I do not see them getting rid of a fictitious legal doctrine that they've specifically created/invented/designed to cover their own asses.

Tyrants have never stopped themselves, FROM themselves: I don't see them changing their tune, anytime soon.o/

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Lol, I hear you bro

Kind of like in that show "my name is Earl" when the warden (Tom T Craig) talked him into doing "favors" for time off his prison term. Then at the end he had to extort the warden into giving back what he had reigned on. It is all a big extortion racket.lol

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Speaking of that

The pic from Colorado. See how the officer is holding the weapon in a "military" fashion with just the butt barely on top of his shoulder? He will now have to empty his mag and "Spray and pray" he hits something after the first shot. The difference is having military heavy uniform and shoulder mass to hold it into position for the second and third shots compared to what he is trying to do. Obviously no experience and a weapon that is not set up for the proper application.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

They dont need our taxes for

They dont need our taxes for this kind of behavior. The Fed can print money to do it, or the CIA can fund it with its world drug trade. The beast has broken its chains.

Stop financing it / don't pay your taxes

If you can find any method to avoid taxes, avoid them. This will cut off the beasts food. Ya, who want to pay taxes, or who would if they could avoid it? There are more of us than there are of them. These mad dog government fascists buy the bullets they will shoot you with, with the taxes you pay. You want to stop it, stop facilitating it.

Whomever was in charge of

Whomever was in charge of this scene is as lucky as they come. This has to be one of the stupidest pieces of police work I have ever seen.
Staggering stupidity.
All it takes is a car door slammed to hard, a loud popping sound from wherever, a suspect decides to fight back, any one of a thousand reasons, and suddenly everyone is shooting - which instantly leads to more shooting. For a few split seconds, everyone with a gun pointed at some child's head believes they are being shot at, they instinctively tense-up and someone pulls the trigger. Soldiers who have worked the streets of middle eastern countries will tell you never to get into this scenario.
There was absolutely no reason for this mess, especially with the GPS advantage. You wait until it moves down the road a little ways and things are safer. My God, it's incredible nobody was killed here. How many times have we seen unarmed suspects sporting dozens of bullet holes because one shot touches off a whole barrage?
I hope the sky turns dark with lawyers flying in for this one... and I am no fan of lawyers.

Also notice officers on opposite sides of the vehicle

in each other's line of fire.

for comparison, illegally/actually militarily occupied

Iraqi/AfPak natives having 'loving' tyranny forced on them, got better treatment than the Californian driver in that photo:


Oh right, then there's the whole sniper and .50BMG mounted on turret, as a backup; never mind. lol...er.. .o/ Point being, at least at point of contact, even the US military know better than to provoke or escalate an encounter, unnecessarily, as that Califa govt terrorist is doing in that AP photo.

AP Photo: Checkpoint Cops Point Guns at Americans’ Heads
Fallujah-style security comes to Sacramento

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
October 28, 2013

After a gang member shot and injured several law enforcement officials before going into hiding in a Sacramento suburb on Friday, police responded by setting up a checkpoint and aiming guns at innocent people’s heads, an AP photo shows.

The photo, (credited to AP Photo/The Sacramento Bee, Randall Benton) is captioned, “A California Highway Patrol officer and another emergency responder stop a vehicle at a checkpoint near the neighborhood where a federal immigration officer was shot and three local police officers were wounded during a violent confrontation with a suspect in the Sacramento suburb of Roseville on Friday, Oct. 25, 2013.”

After an hours-long standoff, the suspect, 32-year-old gang member Samuel Nathan Duran, eventually surrendered after leaving a nearby house in which he had been holed up.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

One burning question: Why

One burning question:
Why haven't we elected Judge Napolitano as president yet?

Downvoted for relying on Alex Jones site as a source

Zero credibility, and it hurts the credibility of this site and this movement. Let's find something with some ethos. It doesn't have to be MSM (Lord knows people are right to not trust the MSM), but Alex Jones and his brand are irreparably tainted.

If you're not for Liberty you're against it.

Could it be any clearer that Alex Jones is ALL IN in the fight against evil and tyranny? Which part of his selfless, courageous, dedicated, educated, passionate, spot on, sacrificing, patriotic, noble, thoughtful, compassionate, truth-seeking, articulate self do you find unworthy of your approval?

His style? His rants?

I assume it's that. And I assume you're anti tyranny and pro Liberty since you're on the DP (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt).

So if I'm right in my assumptions so far, then I ask you, do you want to reconsider your position? Maybe, just maybe Alex Jones might be playing a pivotal role and indeed be one of the greatest Liberty leaders this nation has EVER known. I challenge you to think of greater contributors than Alex Jones.

To me, he's a hero and we're blessed to have him still alive and pushing forward the work of Liberty.

So are you for Liberty? Or against it? If you're for it, then how can you attack and be ashamed of one of the greatest proponents of Liberty the world has ever seen?!

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

Wow...a Jones defender who doesn't jump to "you're a plant!"

That's a start. Thanks for the benefit of the doubt, I guess. Most of your ilk can't even wrap their heads around the fact that some people fighting for liberty could legitimately think that associating with Alex Jones is a bad idea.

As for your views on Alex Jones, I disagree with them and respect your right to view him as a hero. You can admire his passion. I can be ashamed of the fact that he turns people off. You can throw a bunch of positive adjectives out there, and I can laugh at every single one of those. OK, maybe he's articulate at times. Other than that, I could deconstruct how he violates every other positive attribute you listed. But that's beside the point.

The bottom line is that Alex Jones is a liability. Did you see him on Piers Morgan? Do you really think that guy is going to convince anyone who doesn't already agree with him? I can tell you that he is a cancer. Saying that Alex Jones fails to "move the needle" is incorrect because he actually moves it in the wrong direction. People are turned off and more likely to shift in the other direction. Some who are mildly opposed (e.g., people who have only a mild preference for more gun control) become entrenched in their beliefs because they don't want to associate with people like that.

Yes, it's about style. But it's also about substance. It's about the choice of arguments. It's about the rampant conspiratorial mindset that, even when it's right, feels wrong to most people (and he's wrong more often than you die-hard fans will admit).

The bottom line is that Alex Jones turns people off. Maybe he turns you on, but weren't you already on board? If you weren't, you would have been eventually. Alex Jones costs us undecideds, moderates, and regular folks who could be drawn to support liberty-minded candidates without buying the "whole enchilada." Alex Jones is, in a word, "fringe." And "fringe" will never win.

I see your points.

We could hack at many leaves in disagreement, but can't we agree on the taproot, and unify in whacking at the root of the problem?

That's a challenge I extend to you.

What is the taproot? The devil and those who follow him. The devil's machinations are not abstract. They are manifested in the form of organized men -- corrupt government and corporations: i.e., conspiracies -- who seek to kill and/or enslave mankind.

Alex fights against that. He fights FOR Liberty.

Don't you? I think you do.

but again, I AGREE with you that there ARE different personalities and styles out there. Yes, many will be turned off by Alex's approach. I was/am turned off, sort of. But I look past MY "preferred way" of doing things, and unite with him behind the banner of freedom. For goodness sake, Alex has awakened millions. And yes, I was awakened years ago, but I hear callers to his show testify every week how Alex awakened them. Alex is a tool of God, as is RP, as any of us are who promote Liberty. But Alex is unique because of his astronomical success-- and you know he'd have tens of millions more if it wasn't for the massive Internet censorship and smear campaigns against him.

In fact, there are many who are turned off by Ron Paul's stately, toned-down approach, though he was quite lively and in-your-face in his younger years. Ron has evolved. I would prefer something in the middle of Ron Paul and AJ. Trust me, Ron Paul knows of the Conspiracy -- it's fact, not theory. He chooses to fight against it in a different way. No doubt RP reaches people Alex doesn't, and vice versa. You can reach people in your own way too, you have your talents.

But can't we help our allies, and not attack them? And with unity, can't we attack our enemies, instead of aiding and abetting them? The infighting doesn't help the Cause.

In Liberty,

The Underdog

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

right, 'cause if it's Alex Jones linking to an AP photo,

it didn't happen, in the real world.

If you cannot distinguish or discern info/substance vs. personality and style, it is not AJ that's the problem: it is YOU.

"Zero credibility, and it hurts the credibility of this site and this movement." - only collectivists worry about "this movement" or credibility of this, or credibility of that. First of all, you cannot control what other people do, or who or what 'movement' they decide to 'attach' themselves to.

Last I checked, there's no R3VOLution membership super duper secret ID card.

But really: Who the hell made you the arbiter of what is or is not credible??

The fact that you're more worried about 'eew, I don't wanna be linked to Alex Jones!' rather than the fact that Commufornian copthugs are deploying policestate tactics, makes it ever self-evident that you lack discernment skills, let alone priority.

"...Alex Jones and his brand are irreparably tainted."

If you had a 'brand' here at DailyPaul, considering the focus of your reply, yours is what is now irreparably tainted. Thanks for letting 'this movement' know.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

How is your survival bunker?

Did you store enough tin foil?

You can dismiss worries about "this movement" all you want. And when it's 2022 and people who care about real change wonder, "What do we have to do to ensure that we don't get another awful president like Hillary Clinton, the answer will be clear:

We need to take the loony toons like AnCapMercenary and shut them up before the sabotage chances to increase liberty. So we can have this dialogue now, in a civil way, where cooler heads try to persuade people that Alex Jones is NOT a representative of the liberty movement and does not speak for us. Or we can fail again and again and again until people like me have no choice to be become overtly hostile to folks like you.

Who made me the arbiter of what is or is not credible? No one. But I'm a hell of a lot more qualified than you, since you've got your head up Alex Jones' ass so far you can't see how the majority of voters perceive you. I'm a hell of a lot more qualified than you seeing as how I study persuasion for a living.

If you want to listen to Alex Jones, that's fine. I'm not trying to stop you. But keep that to internal consumption. When you start overtly linking Alex Jones and the Paul family into one amalgam, it's dangerous. Yes, they share some values. Yes, they've granted Jones interviews. But most Paul supporters don't give a damn about Jones, and are embarrassed by him. And most fence-sitters find him even more intolerable.

But go ahead and make this about your freedom or about me or some other nonsense. Let them win. Keep working hard for Hillary 2016, which is what you're doing.

Looks like "assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill" to

me.

You can't get more obvious in making a case for being "in fear of imminent death" than this.

What a shame no one was in a position to put this criminal six feet under, or at least arrest the SOB.

Does anyone still think we do NOT live in a tyrannical police state?

THIS is what it looks like folks. It doesn't mean YOU have to face it every day, but you do live with the PROSPECT that today, your number could be the one that is called.

that, is PRECISELY correct!

that, is what I meant by 'it's a felony in ALL 50 states,' what that govt terrorist POS is doing to that driver in the AP photo.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

FLASHBACK: Not the 1st Time; Remember Aurora, CO 2012?

UPDATE 1: Like all things govt terrorists do, if nothing, they're predictable, and have a particular modus operandi; if it's tried in one place, it'll be repeated in another.

Remember this from 2012, in Aurora, CO Wells Fargo bank robbery?

PoliceState: Cops arrest 40 INNOCENT Bystanders & Witnesses after an Armed Bank Robbery THEY failed to prevent!

Judge: Aurora Police Justified in Stopping 25 cars at Gunpoint in Search for Bank Robber (VIDEO)

To Aurora, CO pansies, you're ALL bankrobbers, until they get their daily 'I got to shove a shotgun and AR15 muzzle vs. a peon today! yay!'-daily fix, until they decide that you're not a bankrobber, even though you NEVER did anything wrong:

Police stop 19 cars, handcuff citizens

http://youtu.be/P4cCJlCPzaQ
CNN
Published on Sep 21, 2012

Police stop 19 cars and handcuff citizens in an effort to find a bank robbery suspect. CNN's Ted Rowlands reports.

Tonight on AC360: Did police go too far?
September 21st, 2012 | 06:24 PM ET

When an armed bank robber struck a Wells Fargo branch in Aurora, Colorado, police took extraordinary and controversial steps to find the suspect.

They pulled over 19 cars at an intersection and ordered everyone out of them at gunpoint, even children.

"I had my hands up, they had rifles and guns and everything pointed at me with shields and a canine dog," 16-year-old Michael Hance told CNN's Ted Rowlands about the June incident.

Nearly everyone was then handcuffed and treated as an armed and dangerous suspect.

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Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber

By Erin McLaughlin
@erinoherin
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Jun 4, 2012 8:20pm

Breaking News

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Police in Aurora, Colo., searching for suspected bank robbers stopped every car at an intersection, handcuffed all the adults and searched the cars, one of which they believed was carrying the suspect.

Police said they had received what they called a “reliable” tip that the culprit in an armed robbery at a Wells Fargo bank committed earlier was stopped at the red light.

“We didn’t have a description, didn’t know race or gender or anything, so a split-second decision was made to stop all the cars at that intersection, and search for the armed robber,” Aurora police Officer Frank Fania told ABC News.

Officers barricaded the area, halting 19 cars.

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Denver Police Detained, Handcuffed Forty Innocent Bystanders

http://youtu.be/z_WxDp4Y8ZA
TheAlexJonesChannel
Published on Jun 6, 2012

Police detained and handcuffed forty innocent bystanders after a bank robbery in Aurora, Colorado, on June 4. Nearly two dozen cars were stopped near a Wells Fargo Bank and the occupants held without probable cause as police searched for a suspect.

Police Chief Daniel Oates demonstrated his ignorance of the Fourth Amendment when he told CBS in Denver "the ends justify the means" after the illegal round-up snared a suspect. He described the mass detainment and handcuffing as lawful and necessary.

"The law is clear that investigative detentions are lawful for a reasonable period of time," Oates said. "Reasonableness is determined by the facts and circumstances at issue, and the facts and circumstances were the suspect was in one of 19 cars."

Oates then apologized to the innocent bystanders who were terrorized.

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Suspect Arrested After Aurora Wells Fargo Robbed

http://youtu.be/11XrzSYYpPo
7NEWS and TheDenverChannel.com
Published on Jun 3, 2012

6/2 10pm - Aurora police chased down several bank robbers Saturday afternoon.

Police Chief: "ends justify the means"

http://youtu.be/nPcJFz-SU4w
jackspratism
Published on Jun 6, 2012

2012-06-04 Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber in Aurora,Colorado.

Police Chief defends tactics, claims "end justifies the means."

Some people think otherwise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1VWbPYkXy8

Colorado Police Illegally Detain 40 Innocent Bystanders Searching for Robber

http://youtu.be/gqTj4VpA6u0
TheLeakSource
Published on Jun 7, 2012

06/03-04/2012

AURORA, Colo. -- Nearly two dozen cars were detained at the intersection of Iliff Avenue and Buckley Road Saturday afternoon as police—with guns drawn—searched each vehicle for a man who had just robbed the Wells Fargo bank at 15301 E. Hampden Ave.

According to witnesses, the adult occupants of the vehicles were handcuffed and led away from their cars after reports the suspect might have taken hostages.

More: http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/colorado-police-i...

Bank Robbery: Police nab ‘person of interest’ after massive traffic stop
Posted on: 5:05 pm, June 2, 2012, by Web Staff, updated on: 03:26pm, June 3, 2012


AURORA, Colo. – Nearly two dozen cars were detained at the intersection of Iliff Avenue and Buckley Road Saturday afternoon as police—with guns drawn—searched each vehicle for a man who had just robbed the Wells Fargo bank at 15301 E. Hampden Ave.

According to witnesses, the adult occupants of the vehicles were handcuffed and led away from their cars after reports the suspect might have taken hostages.

“Cops came from every direction and just literally threw their cars in front of my car. They pinned them off there, they pinned them off in the parking lot, they pinned off here so literally nobody could go anywhere,” said Sonya Romero, who was detained. “We had to throw our hands in the air.”

Colorado Police Illegally Detain 40 Innocent Bystanders Searching for Robber SHOCKING!

http://youtu.be/oERLpeLAtKY
John Smith
Published on Oct 13, 2012

Police in Aurora, Colorado stopped every car and handcuffed every adult at an intersection in order to find a bank robbery suspect. Police Chief Daniel Oates said, "The law is clear that investigative detentions are lawful for a reasonable period of time." Judge Napolitano disagrees, saying, "You can only be stopped if the police can articulate, can state, some suspicion about you and that can only be for a brief period of time."

In this specific incident, the judge says these were not stops by police but were arrests.

Napolitano concluded, "We fought wars against governments who arrested groups of people until they got their person. We don't do that in America."

Stop Police Brutality


The Future they want for ALL of us!

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

All I gotta say is: know your manual of arms; it's gettin' close

Train, Stock Up, find Buddies, communicate, Stay in Contact; know who is in your group & run scenario exercises; just remember these are just mechanical skills anyone not completely physically impaired can master, within range, but at the end of the day, like everything else, they're just tools. The most important thing is MINDSET; hone it folks:

MAGPUL DYNAMICS THE ART OF THE TACTICAL CARBINE VOLUME II DISK 1

http://youtu.be/Er_uSKGwsaU
WorldShooters
Published on Sep 20, 2013

Second in the critically acclaimed, Art of the Tactical Carbine series. 4 DVDs covering 3 days of a Magpul Dynamics advanced carbine class. Complete with a new drills disk, outtakes, extras and a 1 hour gear

MAGPUL DYNAMICS THE ART OF THE TACTICAL CARBINE VOLUME II DISK 2

http://youtu.be/NIAVrZAjVhM
WorldShooters
Published on Sep 20, 2013

MAGPUL DYNAMICS THE ART OF THE TACTICAL CARBINE VOLUME II DISK 3

http://youtu.be/BPDQ8pijLL4
WorldShooters
Published on Sep 20, 2013

MAGPUL DYNAMICS THE ART OF THE TACTICAL CARBINE VOLUME II DISK 4

http://youtu.be/wz42iWUPHA0
WorldShooters
Published on Sep 20, 2013

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

If it comes to this...

If it comes to this we are going to clan up as a family and become as lonely and unknown as possible. It will truly be a situation where you can trust no one.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

heard

that.

word.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Ever see that movie " The hills have eyes"?

Lol.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.